Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

JSouth25

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I’m sorry guys. I was just trying to illustrate how easy it was to get this right. Three cropped google images and a description I wrote in under a minute would somehow excite more people than anything that came from the Disney Parks blogs over the last two years +. The imagery on those screenshots and the feelings they evoke is what people wanted from this ride.
Seriously though, including Dr Fallicier in the ride would’ve made it so much better. Having him hiding in the shadows here and there throughout the ride before revealing himself fully at the end and putting the riders in danger while singing, “Are you Ready,” it was all right there! I don’t understand why modern Disney is so afraid of including any peril in their new rides.
 

TP2000

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Too bad WDI can’t do anything at this point about the lift hill, where Charita’s team apparently shrugged and gave up. “Good enough. If we leave now, we can be home by 6.”

Hey, once you get to actual production and the Immersion Trips to the New Orleans Ritz-Carlton are no longer being approved by the executive suite, why would today's Imagineers stay past 5 o'clock? Their lush and immersive work is done, and it was all stunning and brave. :rolleyes:

I’m not much of cruise guy, but this sounds fantastic.

Me either, actually. Until lately, when friends kept raving about Viking and how well they nail it down. So I tried, and I'm hooked. I can't imagine going on any other cruise line though.

But Viking Cruise Line? It's like what Disneyland used to be compared to other amusement parks. I wouldn't have gone to Six Flags Astroworld in 1985, but I went to WDW and Disneyland a lot in the 80's and 90's and 00's.

It’s sad to see. But to your point, high standards are alive and well elsewhere. Disney is practically begging us to spend our money at those places instead.

Yes. It's really interesting that obviously tastes have changed as we roll deeper into the 21st century now, but so many big companies are really, really good at high quality service with very precise standards delivering excellent products. Off the top of my head recently, besides Viking I can also think of... Air France, Ritz-Carlton, Gump's, and Harmons grocery store. All big companies who make it seem as though you are the most important customer in their world.

Also In-N-Out. I mean honestly, if In-N-Out can still replicate that sunshiny polite, impeccably clean, and clean cut visage as their empire grows nationwide, there is absolutely no excuse for why Disneyland let their CM standards crash into the basement the past few years. No excuse at all, other than a willing attempt to lower labor costs by TDA and TDO.

Apart from maybe Universal and parks that almost no one here actually cares about like Dollywood and Silver Dollar City, where are these high standards alive in the amusement park industry in this country that are stratospherically higher than Disney's? Who is objectively beating Disney at their own game?

That's just it. You've already forgotten the first 60 years of their existence when Disney theme parks didn't use local amusement parks as a benchmark. In fact, Walt and his team purposely ignored local amusement parks as a benchmark to create an entirely new product that Americans had never seen before; Disneyland.

For decades, Disney theme parks benchmarked major airlines, fancy hotel chains, and top service providers like Nordstrom to create what they called the "Disney Difference". Disney even used to sell corporate packages to the Disney Institute to teach other companies how to exceed expectations like Disneyland and WDW does. (Or did)

Can you imagine a management team from Delta Air Lines or In-N-Out today paying Disney to teach them how to lower expectations for service and showmanship like Disneyland and WDW now do? Nope.

If you are using Six Flags as your benchmark now in 2024 to compare Disneyland to, the game is over. The sharp pencil boys won and lowered your standards enough the past 5 years to declare victory over costly high standards.

Which is why there's still a few of us left who remember, and say stuff like this...

I remember ‘Disney’ when it was Walt Disney Productions...

And we had Standards we did not stray from.

Back when literally anything and everything was possible.
 

PiratesMansion

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That's just it. You've already forgotten the first 60 years of their existence when Disney theme parks didn't use local amusement parks as a benchmark. In fact, Walt and his team purposely ignored local amusement parks as a benchmark to create an entirely new product that Americans had never seen before; Disneyland.

For decades, Disney theme parks benchmarked major airlines, fancy hotel chains, and top service providers like Nordstrom to create what they called the "Disney Difference". Disney even used to sell corporate packages to the Disney Institute to teach other companies how to exceed expectations like Disneyland and WDW does. (Or did)

Can you imagine a management team from Delta Air Lines or In-N-Out today paying Disney to teach them how to lower expectations for service and showmanship like Disneyland and WDW now do? Nope.

If you are using Six Flags as your benchmark now in 2024 to compare Disneyland to, the game is over. The sharp pencil boys won and lowered your standards enough the past 5 years to declare victory over costly high standards.

Which is why there's still a few of us left who remember, and say stuff like this...
And yet, at the end of the day, Disney parks are and always have been amusement parks.

And just to point out, you couldn't actually do what I was asking-provide a clear example of a US park operator doing better, right now.

That Disney used to be better (and should be, for the record) does not negate the fact that they're also still the best in the business in this country right now. Both things can be true.
 
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SuddenStorm

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Has there ever been a major E ticket attraction opening anywhere in the world with less anticipation than this mess?

Truly embarrassing.

I mean, there was some anticipation before it opened to a collective groan out in Florida. Then months of maintenance issues on top of the lousy redo.

I just wish I could hear the conversations between D'Amaro and Potrock over this. And whoever is in charge of Magic Kingdom.

And now they're opening this during what was historically Splash's slow time of year due to the colder weather...
 

mickEblu

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Has there ever been a major E ticket attraction opening anywhere in the world with less anticipation than this mess?

Truly embarrassing.

Never Ever. Especially after seeing the WDW version. At least before that one opened we still had the hope that somehow it would be better than we thought even if every indication over the last few years told us otherwise.
 

Epcot81Fan

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Never Ever. Especially after seeing the WDW version. At least before that one opened we still had the hope that somehow it would be better than we thought even if every indication over the last few years told us otherwise.
Hey, you can’t judge it yet!

No matter how much evidence you have, you must wait until it is open, has had months to operate, and then wait until nobody longer cares!

BTW, still waiting for everybody who criticized you for being absolutely accurate over past two years to apologize to you.

Will be a long wait.
 

Too Many Hats

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I’m curious how the general Disneyland-visiting public will feel about TBA. SoCal people have a lot of affection towards Disneyland and might be slightly more ambivalent about this change than Orlando’s tourist crowds, so I wouldn’t be shocked to hear some grumblings out here about the lift hill and the lack of drama (in other words, “That was boring”). Most people will enjoy it just fine, of course.
 

SuddenStorm

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I’m curious how the general Disneyland-visiting public will feel about TBA. SoCal people have a lot of affection towards Disneyland and might be slightly more ambivalent about this change than Orlando’s tourist crowds, so I wouldn’t be shocked to hear some grumblings out here about the lift hill and the lack of drama (in other words, “That was boring”). Most people will enjoy it just fine, of course.

I still don't buy the 'most people will enjoy it just fine' angle as if the general public can't tell what's good or not. It's been used as an excuse for this for years, and I don't buy it. There's a reason why Pirates and Mansion are universally beloved, even to those who don't visit theme parks often.

If the attraction isn't good it absolutely will not last the long term.
 

mickEblu

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Hey, you can’t judge it yet!

No matter how much evidence you have, you must wait until it is open, has had months to operate, and then wait until nobody longer cares!

BTW, still waiting for everybody who criticized you for being absolutely accurate over past two years to apologize to you.

Will be a long wait.

Lol hey, thanks for noticing! Not only did I not get any flowers but people doubled down. One insider even lashed out at me AFTER the POV was released and has been pretty much MIA since.
 

mickEblu

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I still don't buy the 'most people will enjoy it just fine' angle as if the general public can't tell what's good or not. It's been used as an excuse for this for years, and I don't buy it. There's a reason why Pirates and Mansion are universally beloved, even to those who don't visit theme parks often.

If the attraction isn't good it absolutely will not last the long term.

I guess it depends on what one means by "most people will enjoy it just fine." Will the lines be more or less the same as Splash after the newness (I cant even say hype in this case) wears off? Probably. But I fully believe that people will feel that it is not as special for various reasons including a few @Ne'er-Do-Well Cad mentioned. Even normies that may not be able to articulate why. But it's a log ride with fun drops at the second most attended theme park on Earth. It's going to do "fine."
 

SuddenStorm

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Apparently they let a lot of Cast Members ride today as part of ride testing. My buddy rode it and said it's completely identical to the Florida version. He said they entered from the exit though and the entrance and queue apparently isn't done yet.

I mean, this isn't a surprise. But still disheartening.
He described it as less exciting than Splash Mountain

Splash wasn't just exciting- a few scenes were among the most iconic in the park.

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SuddenStorm

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Now that I think of it- they removed a giant moving prop covered in fully articulated animatronics designed by Marc Davis and Blaine Gibson for a standard set with a couple real animatronics and a bunch of barely moving figures and screens. And that's ignoring the removal of an Academy Award winning song that was beloved by generations for a generic pop song.

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