Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

[D.Silentu]

Maybe someone with more knowledge of the Mansion's backstory could answer for the attraction itself. Any number of things could lead someone down this path, perhaps the Mansion wasn't haunted until after the hanging itself. This is the case in the film, where the hanging actually curses the house and prevents any souls associated with it from passing on to a higher plane. This is apparently an unused concept from the original Haunted House attraction designed for the park before it became the Mansion we know today.
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Side note.. until recently, I had always believed the sound effect that plays in the immediate darkness following the reveal was the corpse above us falling and then shattering when it hits the ground. I am only just now discovering that supposedly, it is meant to be the sound of a "Guest" who was so frightened by what they just saw, they ran screaming into the darkness and broke the wall open, thus leading us further into our tour of the Mansion. This makes sense to me, especially since our Host apologizes for scaring us after the door has been opened.

This is not an official or circulated story, just my take. I always presumed that the the hanging man was originally trapped and driven mad, hence the line in the stretching room that questions if you can trust what you're seeing. The insanity led to suicide, which is what the ghosts wanted: another spirit for the mansion.

As for the screaming guest, I have never heard that and also had assumed it was the body falling.

 

[Mac Tonight]

"If you can dream it, you can do it." - Cherlyn Silverstein

The actual line's origin has nothing to do with Disney at all.
An ad agency copywriter pitched the line for G.E. to use as part of a corporate recruiting advertisement, around 1981.
Jack Welch (CEO of G.E.) was in the meeting and bought from their agency based on that line from one of the mock ads.

And the rest is history.

To hear an interview with Cherlyn, check out the RetroWDW podcast, episode 50: Horizons - Part 2: The Promise (start @ 19:30)

 

[truecoat]

I think it’s time to start calling it Frog Mountain.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I think it’s time to start calling it Frog Mountain.

I was calling it “Trash Mountain” with the budget they’re going to work with

Others were calling it “Slashed Mountain”.

 

[smooch]

I was calling it “Trash Mountain” with the budget they’re going to work with

Others were calling it “Slashed Mountain”.

Slashed Mountain is a great one. I truly hope Disney waits long enough to allocate proper funds for the project but sadly I won't be surprised if they invest too little money and it turns out poor. The same way Eisner said they spent too much in Paris and cut back park spending, I feel like after the billion dollar Star Wars Ghost Town they're going to be wary of investing money into the parks. I mean we still have TRON in WDW and MMRR in DLR which apparently are on hold now even though TRON has gotten decently far into construction as far as I recall. Hopefully the Splash retheme will come in a few years because 1.) hopefully that means Disney was allocating funds to do the retheme right 2.) it gives people the chance to come to the park and get their final rides in. Not everyone is a local who can pop in the week before closing and ride 20 times, some people have to travel across the country / world and that isn't something you can really do on a whim, especially because we don't know when the parks will reopen and capacity will be limited and a lot of people will be turned off to the idea of travelling to a theme park due to the pandemic. A few years can give an appropriate amount of time to let the pandemic hopefully get contained and give people time to plan a trip once this virus is eventually behind us. Heck, according to @TP2000 the point they're at in development is 18 months away from even a public announcement, let alone the actual closing of the ride to begin the retheme. So we will definitely have a good amount of time, I just hope that since Disney has made the announcement and is so insistent it makes the park inclusive they can't really back down on the project, hopefully they will use all this time between now and the closure to properly fund it.

 

[SplashGhost]

I think the best thing to do is leave Splash Mountain and put a trackless Tiana dark ride where Pooh is. That way, one of the greatest theme park attractions in history is saved, and people that wanted a Tiana ride will still get one. This way pretty much everyone wins.

Pooh seems to be the least popular attraction in the entire park, and is pretty much wasted space. I don't think many people would care about losing it. This way, Disney can fix something that doesn't work instead of replacing a masterpiece.

Also, a trackless dark ride is a much better fit for a princess ride than a thrilling water ride since the dark ride would be more accessible for a larger group of people including those not tall enough to ride and those that don't like thrill rides.

While I would hate to lose the Hungry Bear as it is one of the last remnants left in the park of the Country Bears, Chapek can still sell his instagrammable food at a Tiana restaurant where Hungry Bear used to be.

Lastly, even if they put the Tiana ride in the Pooh building, at least, it could actually be a brand new ride since it would use trackless vehicles. I'm sure most people would prefer that over an overlay.

I think this would please Splash fans, Tiana fans, and Chapek's desire to sell instagrammable food. While it is unlikely for Disney to do something that will please hardcore fans nowadays, so much can change over the next few years, that I don't think something like this would be impossible.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I think the best thing to do is leave Splash Mountain and put a trackless Tiana dark ride where Pooh is. That way, one of the greatest theme park attractions in history is saved, and people that wanted a Tiana ride will still get one. This way pretty much everyone wins.

The retheme is about getting rid of the IP attached to SM because of its connection to Song of the South.

The SotS theming is going away. Period.

Now, something has to replace it: Oh, how about the IP that they've been looking to promote for a decade and is a balm to why the SotS theming can't stay.

It was never just about finding a place for Tiana, its first and foremost goal is to get rid of all associations with Song of the South. Suggestions on how to save SotS are pointless at this time.

 

[EagleScout610]

The retheme is about getting ride of the IP attached to SM because of its connection to Song of the South.

The SotS theming is going away. Period.

Now, something has to replace it: Oh, how about the IP that they've been looking to promote for a decade and is a balm to why the SotS theming can't stay.

It was never just about finding a place for Tiana, its first and foremost goal is to get rid of all associations with Song of the South. Suggestions on how to save SotS are pointless at this time.

They had places for Tiana.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Slashed Mountain is a great one. I truly hope Disney waits long enough to allocate proper funds for the project but sadly I won't be surprised if they invest too little money and it turns out poor. The same way Eisner said they spent too much in Paris and cut back park spending, I feel like after the billion dollar Star Wars Ghost Town they're going to be wary of investing money into the parks. I mean we still have TRON in WDW and MMRR in DLR which apparently are on hold now even though TRON has gotten decently far into construction as far as I recall. Hopefully the Splash retheme will come in a few years because 1.) hopefully that means Disney was allocating funds to do the retheme right 2.) it gives people the chance to come to the park and get their final rides in. Not everyone is a local who can pop in the week before closing and ride 20 times, some people have to travel across the country / world and that isn't something you can really do on a whim, especially because we don't know when the parks will reopen and capacity will be limited and a lot of people will be turned off to the idea of travelling to a theme park due to the pandemic. A few years can give an appropriate amount of time to let the pandemic hopefully get contained and give people time to plan a trip once this virus is eventually behind us. Heck, according to @TP2000 the point they're at in development is 18 months away from even a public announcement, let alone the actual closing of the ride to begin the retheme. So we will definitely have a good amount of time, I just hope that since Disney has made the announcement and is so insistent it makes the park inclusive they can't really back down on the project, hopefully they will use all this time between now and the closure to properly fund it.

If they’re going through with it, it needs to be done right. It needs to be better in every way imaginable. They have a lot to live up to.

 

[Brer Oswald]

The retheme is about getting ride of the IP attached to SM because of its connection to Song of the South.

The SotS theming is going away. Period.

Now, something has to replace it: Oh, how about the IP that they've been looking to promote for a decade and is a balm to why the SotS theming can't stay.

It was never just about finding a place for Tiana, its first and foremost goal is to get rid of all associations with Song of the South. Suggestions on how to save SotS are pointless at this time.

You might be convinced given the timing of the announcement, but they were working on this for a year remember? The same year they put out new Brer Fox and Brer Bear plushes, along with a wave of 30th anniversary merchandise.

If this was an elaborate plan to remove SotS from the earth, wouldn’t you think OLC would’ve at least been approached with the idea before the petition was made?

This was not an act of social justice. It was an act of potential monetary gain, and opportunistic PR.

 

[Brer Panther]

The retheme is about getting ride of the IP attached to SM because of its connection to Song of the South.

The SotS theming is going away. Period.

Now, something has to replace it: Oh, how about the IP that they've been looking to promote for a decade and is a balm to why the SotS theming can't stay.

It was never just about finding a place for Tiana, its first and foremost goal is to get rid of all associations with Song of the South. Suggestions on how to save SotS are pointless at this time.

Well, their plan to get rid of all associations with Song of the South has been foiled, as when they told OLC to retheme Tokyo's Splash Mountain, OLC told them to go pound sand.

 

[EagleScout610]

Well, their plan to get rid of all associations with Song of the South has been foiled, as when they told OLC to retheme Tokyo's Splash Mountain, OLC told them to go pound sand.

You mean my new signature?

 

[Brer Panther]

You mean my new signature?

If only Disney had said the same thing to the people calling for a retheme.

 

[EagleScout610]

If only Disney had said the same thing to the people calling for a retheme.

If only...*Dreamy bubble/dream effect*
Execs: Let's change the redhead!" "Go pound sand"
Fans: "WE WANT SPLASH CHANGED" "Go pound sand"

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

The fact is SoTS will never truly be “gone“ which is why Disney has a problem by not trying to control the narrative to begin with. I recently watched 3 shows on Disney+ where songs from SoTS were prominently featured (the film Splash, the Pre-opening report from Disneyland, and the Mouseketeers at WDW).

The fact is changing the ride will not eliminate SoTS from existence. However if they want to avoid a “Tiki Room under New a Management” issue among fans the ride needs to be done marginally well.

Even from a WDI perspective since the funding/project pipeline looks to be drier than the Mojave desert for the foreseeable future, I don’t see why there would need to be need to “rush” the closure of the current incarnation of the ride to next year, as opposed to say in Fall 2022 (or later) or ideally until after Tron (MK) and MMRR (DL) open.

It just defies logic to rush this to completion during a time of all but certain budget austerity for anyone that actually wants to see any hope for a lasting quality attraction produced for the park(s).

 

[Brer Oswald]

The fact is SoTS will never truly be “gone“ which is why Disney has a problem by not trying to control the narrative to begin with. I recently watched 3 shows on Disney+ where songs from SoTS were prominently featured (the film Splash, the Pre-opening report from Disneyland, and the Mouseketeers at WDW).

The fact is changing the ride will not eliminate SoTS from existence. However if they want to avoid a “Tiki Room under New a Management” issue among fans the ride needs to be done marginally well.

Even from a WDI perspective since the funding/project pipeline looks to be drier than the Mojave desert for the foreseeable future, I don’t see why there would need to be need to “rush” the closure of the current incarnation of the ride to next year, as opposed to say in Fall 2022 (or later) or ideally until after Tron (MK) and MMRR (DL) open.

It just defies logic to rush this to completion during a time of all but certain budget austerity for anyone that actually wants to see any hope for a lasting quality attraction produced for the park(s).

There’s SotS songs in the film Splash? The one with the mermaid?

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

There’s SotS songs in the film Splash? The one with the mermaid?

Yes there is a fairly long scene where Zip-a-de-do-dah is sung by none other than “America’s dad” Tom Hanks he first “beholds” Darryl Hannah‘s character. The late John Candy’s character (who plays his brother) makes note of Hanks’ character’s mood change.

Again, it was the ‘80s. So of course Tom Hanks didn’t know what he was getting himself into, nor did the late Louis Armstrong I’m sure when he famously covered the problematic song many years prior. Relegate it to the ash heap of history, I suppose.

 

[MisterPenguin]

They had places for Tiana.

You might be convinced given the timing of the announcement, but they were working on this for a year remember? The same year they put out new Brer Fox and Brer Bear plushes, along with a wave of 30th anniversary merchandise.

If this was an elaborate plan to remove SotS from the earth, wouldn’t you think OLC would’ve at least been approached with the idea before the petition was made?

This was not an act of social justice. It was an act of potential monetary gain, and opportunistic PR.

You're both missing the point.

Yes, they had places for Tiana. One of those places was SM. They weren't prepared to pull the trigger on it until the latest surge in BLM. That surge meant SM couldn't remain as is. Luckily, one of the places they were considering for Tiana was SM. Dust off the preliminary plan and make an announcement.

My point is, that pointing out that Tiana can go in other places doesn't solve their problem of a SotS-based attraction.

SM will change. Tiana or not.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Yes there is a fairly long scene where Zip-a-de-do-dah is sung by none other than “America’s dad” Tom Hanks he first “beholds” Darryl Hannah‘s character. The late John Candy’s character (who plays his brother) makes note of Hanks’ character’s mood change.

Again, it was the ‘80s. So of course Tom Hanks didn’t know what he was getting himself into, nor did the late Louis Armstrong I’m sure when he famously covered the problematic song many years prior. Relegate it to the ash heap of history, I suppose.

A shame. Zipadeedoodah, a song of goodwill turned into a symbol of hate by a group of idiots. Just like the ok sign

 

[mickEblu]

You're both missing the point.

Yes, they had places for Tiana. One of those places was SM. They weren't prepared to pull the trigger on it until the latest surge in BLM. That surge meant SM couldn't remain as is. Luckily, one of the places they were considering for Tiana was SM. Dust off the preliminary plan and make an announcement.

My point is, that pointing out that Tiana can go in other places doesn't solve their problem of a SotS-based attraction.

SM will change. Tiana or not.

Unless Apple buys Disney and doesn’t think it’s so important.