Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

mickEblu

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It's sort of amusing seeing a poster continually get more riled up by this discussion than anyone else, yet continue to dismiss posters they disagree with as 'irrational' or 'tiring' or 'ridiculous'. I wish I had the kind of confidence to go through life knowing that any post that differs in opinion than my own must be ridiculous. I know I wouldn't have the energy to continue to reply to posters who are almost certainly beneath me, and not worth my time.


The poster I believe you are talking about and I have always had our disagreements but she used to balance out this kind of stuff with genuine and/ or insightful posts. Now it’s just Round the clock dismissiveness, condescending remarks and deliberately being obtuse. It’s getting old and I think most people can see right through it.
 

mickEblu

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I have disagreements with people here, but I respect and appreciate those tho actually reply to me directly and don’t try and beat around the bush and be sneaky and sly, as if I’m stupid.

@mlayton144 @CaptinEO Thank you.

EDIT: @TP2000 I forgot to mention you as well.

Oh. As you know I’m not afraid to respond to you directly. Just didn’t know if that would qualify as a personal insult. I personally don’t think it does at all but you never with how these boards get moderated sometimes.
 

SuddenStorm

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This is the same WDI that doesn’t want to play Star Wars music in Star Wars land.

Awkward silence = immersion.

Oh boy, Galaxy's Edge is case in point of WDI having something that should have been a bona fide home run- and then fumbling the ball. It's sad also, the bones are there for a land that could be at least passable. Ditch the Disney Trilogy stuff and dress the land up in Empire/Rebels, but don't restrict the land to a specific timeline- allow characters from all eras of Star Wars to roam the land.

Play a medley of John William's iconic Star Wars music. Reskin the Falcon ride to be Han/Chewie, and have the mission be the Death Star from the end of A New Hope. Change Rise to be OT.

And now WDI theoretically has a reskin that should be a home run- a Bayou themed log flume right next to New Orleans Square, with the opportunity to tie in to an upcoming Disney+ series. And like Galaxy's Edge, the publicity makes it look like they're focusing on all of the wrong things.
 

EagleScout610

Can Uncle Walt get a Chee Hoo?
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Isn't that baffling? And they've chosen to show absolutely no artwork of the actual ride being built for '24, just this faux food company logo.

I just can't believe the small number of things they are choosing to put out there as descriptors for this new E Ticket.
It's getting very weird.

2017 = "ON A REMOTE OUTPOST PLANET, NEW ADVENTURES AWAIT..." (Overlaid on dramatic action aerial image of entire land)
2023 = "Employee Owned" (Overlaid on generic 1930's food label)

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Even if they had slapped the same concept art we've seen a thousand times with the TBA logo on it over the walls it would look mildly more interesting. Kind of makes you think "Huh. That looks interesting", instead of "Tiana's Food? Isn't this a boat ride?"
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Californian Elitist

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As this thread is already an echo canyon, I'll mention again that I also think Tiana's Bayou Adventure will serve as a great borderland between New Orleans' Square and Critter Country.
I’ve been meaning to respond to this, but I got caught up.

Depending on what the surroundings look like, based on what CC looks like now, I think the transition could potentially be jarring. One thing about Splash and Pooh is that they blended well together, in terms of aesthetics. We’ll have to wait and see for TBA, but a New Orleans Mardi Gras mixed with Pooh is off when I picture it.

Side note, if they don’t include TBA with NOS, I’ll have no words.
 

BubbaisSleep

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I’ve been meaning to respond to this, but I got caught up.

Depending on what the surroundings look like, based on what CC looks like now, I think the transition could potentially be jarring. One thing about Splash and Pooh is that they blended well together, in terms of aesthetics. We’ll have to wait and see for TBA, but a New Orleans Mardi Gras mixed with Pooh is off when I picture it.

Side note, if they don’t include TBA with NOS, I’ll have no words.
I agree, there can be some hiccups here. The hardest for me is which land does this ride exactly fit? A lot of the buildings in Critter Country already look like the homes I saw on the swamp on my bayou visit so that helps. They can easily make it a bayou village, maybe even fake signs of gators and a fishing bait store façade. But as you stated, Pooh will still be there standing out more than ever. Also the ride would technically be more of a Louisiana thing instead of a NOLA/NOS one, as that kind of architecture & bayous are a good 20-45 minutes outside the city of New Orleans. So it makes me wonder if they'll keep the name Critter Country but only keep the Pooh elements to it's queue, making the Pooh meet & greet area a Tiana meet & greet instead.
 

mickEblu

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Apparently the new Mark Twain narration mentions that TBA is a part of Critter Country. At least, for now. I would like the Critter Country name to remain even though the area is no longer "country" country, if that makes sense.

To me, TBA is going to add a much needed sense of thematic cohesion to the area (that has been missing since Pooh moved in). With Tiana, "Critter Country" transitions better than it ever did from New Orleans Square. -and between both her attraction and Pooh, the area delivers a full-on "Critter Fantasyland" vibe now. At least, I think it will.

I hope this is true. It makes a lot more sense. The entrance to TBA shouldn't be right in the middle of a land full of Pine trees. Not if the point is to say "We're in New Orleans." It makes more sense to say the bayou ride is out in Critter Country. It would also tell me that the imagineers will hopefully integrate the TBA entrance to match the existing Critter Country aesthetics instead of trying to to tell us we're in NOS.
 

TP2000

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Has there been any announcement about land changes overall to Critter Country? I haven't seen those, but they might have been buried under text about World War I or the famous Chinese food that New Orleans has always been known for.

Critter Country isn't easy to retheme to anything else. It has three rides; TBA, Winnie The Pooh and Davy Crockett's Canoes.

If this was the 90's I wouldn't worry about the Canoes one bit, because they used to only run about 60 days per year total. Even on summer weekdays in the 90's into the 00's they'd keep it closed and only open it on summer Saturdays and Sundays. But now they run the Canoes year round and it's actually rare for them not to operate. February weekday... the Canoes are open. Only rainy weather seems to close the Canoes now.

So what do you do with that type of land? You can't really lean in to a specific geographic area, because you've got two other rides that are blatantly not from Louisiana. You'd need to just keep it more about "critters" from Great Britain and Louisiana, and also the famous American Senator and outdoorsman Davy Crockett.

Critter Country is messy.
 

TP2000

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I hope this is true. It makes a lot more sense. The entrance to TBA shouldn't be right in the middle of a land full of Pine trees.

Agreed.

Much of the landscaping in Critter Country today was planted over 50 years ago as part of Bear Country, which was designed and landscaped as a late I880's/90's Pacific Northwest offshoot of the more inland/southwestern I850's/60's Frontierland proper. That is why Critter Country is so pleasant to be in, it's shade canopy of very mature evergreen firs and tall foliage. The landscape design and tree specimens are there to evoke the Pacific Northwest mountains, not Louisiana bayous.

You could make a decent argument that the average Disneyland guest won't know a Douglas Fir from a Loblolly Pine, so who cares? It's just trees and junk for dumb tourists. But when they are touting the newspaper articles in the cue that will explain to riders the difficulties Tiana's father faced fighting World War I under Woodrow Wilson's segregated troop mandates, it's hard to argue that dense landscaping and massive trees aren't also an important part of that story.

I laugh that I'm giving Disney the benefit of the doubt that "story" still concerns them, when it clearly no longer does, but I'll just go with it. 🤣

Oregon is not Louisiana. Mature tree canopies of Firs and evergreens are not the bayou.

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Californian Elitist

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I agree, there can be some hiccups here. The hardest for me is which land does this ride exactly fit? A lot of the buildings in Critter Country already look like the homes I saw on the swamp on my bayou visit so that helps. They can easily make it a bayou village, maybe even fake signs of gators and a fishing bait store façade. But as you stated, Pooh will still be there standing out more than ever. Also the ride would technically be more of a Louisiana thing instead of a NOLA/NOS one, as that kind of architecture & bayous are a good 20-45 minutes outside the city of New Orleans. So it makes me wonder if they'll keep the name Critter Country but only keep the Pooh elements to it's queue, making the Pooh meet & greet area a Tiana meet & greet instead.


Love your knowledge of New Orleans. Good point about the homes on the bayou fitting in with Critter Country. I also can’t help but think of Pirates when I think of a home sitting on a bayou…and that’s in NOS. I guess it could go either way, but the story of the ride takes place directly in New Orleans. Pooh and Tiana meeting together just seems so off. Maybe they should just rename CC Pooh’s Corner and call it a day. It really is just a corner anyway.
 

BrerFoxesBayouAdventure

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Agreed.

Much of the landscaping in Critter Country today was planted over 50 years ago as part of Bear Country, which was designed and landscaped as a late I880's/90's Pacific Northwest offshoot of the more inland/southwestern I850's/60's Frontierland proper. That is why Critter Country is so pleasant to be in, it's shade canopy of very mature pine trees and tall foliage. The landscape design and tree specimens are there to evoke the Pacific Northwest, not Louisiana.

You could make a decent argument that the average Disneyland guest won't know a Douglas Fir from a Loblolly Pine, so who cares? It's just trees and junk for dumb tourists. But when they are touting the newspaper articles in the cue that will explain to riders the difficulties Tiana's father faced fighting World War I under Woodrow Wilson's segregated troop mandates, it's hard to argue that dense landscaping and massive trees aren't also an important part of that story.

I laugh that I'm giving Disney the benefit of the doubt that "story" still concerns them, when it clearly no longer does, but I'll just go with it. 🤣

Oregon is not Louisiana. Mature tree canopies of Firs and evergreens are not the bayou.

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Thinking about it, the trees began to fit less and less as more new attractions opened up in Critter Country. Nothing like them appears in Song of the South's backwoods Georgia or Winnie the Pooh's Hundred Acre Wood. Funnily enough, the park where the retheme doesn't fit at all is the one with the most geographically appropriate flora.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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Is the fact “Tiana’s Foods” is employee-owned so important that it needs to be plastered on the walls as some of the only information guests receive?
and this is the problem I have with the retheme. They needed to treat this like the auction in pirates and trader Sam’s in Jungle Cruise. Take out the rabbit, fox and bear, add in some more frogs and gators and swap out the music and call it splash mountain still.

I get needing to change things even if I personally disagree. But making this Igers politically correct salt mound co-op is just crazy!
 

BrerFoxesBayouAdventure

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and this is the problem I have with the retheme. They needed to treat this like the auction in pirates and trader Sam’s in Jungle Cruise. Take out the rabbit, fox and bear, add in some more frogs and gators and swap out the music and call it splash mountain still.

I get needing to change things even if I personally disagree. But making this Igers politically correct salt mound co-op is just crazy!
In an ideal timeline (not one where TBA is cancelled), they'd do just that and maybe throw in some Rescuers-inspired setpieces like the sunken boat.
 

BuzzedPotatoHead89

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It’s unfortunate Tiana didn’t get her own unique purpose built attraction or even that god forbid Splash Mountain didn’t suffer an accidental fate like Murphy (with no injuries of course) because I actually think if it wasn’t attached to Splash Mountain and fully divorced from a reskin treatment it would be better received all around. Instead regardless of how this ride turns out I really think it’s never going to compare to the nostalgia member berries people have for Splash and Zip a Dee Doo Dah. I also still think removing Zip a Dee Doo Dah and all the Brers from the parks like a snap of the fingers from the parks was disingenuous and did not build a bridge to a consensus around this attraction.
 

Rich T

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and this is the problem I have with the retheme. They needed to treat this like the auction in pirates and trader Sam’s in Jungle Cruise. Take out the rabbit, fox and bear, add in some more frogs and gators and swap out the music and call it splash mountain still.

I get needing to change things even if I personally disagree. But making this Igers politically correct salt mound co-op is just crazy!
Please remember that all we’ve seen are simple signs on a construction wall, a few pieces of concept art, some early vague press releases about the backstory and some more encouraging news about the many new AA figures.

I think this could be amazing, and at this point I’m genuinely excited that I have no idea what 90% of this ride is going to look or sound like. We’ll just have to wait and see how it all turns out. One thing’s for certain, though: The general public will not have any worries—or knowledge—about the backstory. The GP does not read press releases or spent one second of time discussing matters of theming.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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Please remember that all we’ve seen are simple signs on a construction wall, a few pieces of concept art, some early vague press releases about the backstory and some more encouraging news about the many new AA figures.

I think this could be amazing, and at this point I’m genuinely excited that I have no idea what 90% of this ride is going to look or sound like. We’ll just have to wait and see how it all turns out. One thing’s for certain, though: The general public will not have any worries—or knowledge—about the backstory. The GP does not read press releases or spent one second of time discussing matters of theming.
One PR release like this and the negative talk will instantly stop.



Unfortunately all we’ve gotten so far is a couple concept art pictures and a lot of words. D23 can’t get here soon enough.
 

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