Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

[mickEblu]

Excellent point! Obviously, most topics could be considered sensitive depending on one's own background/past experiences- and while we shouldn't make light of serious topics it's important to understand the difference between fantasy and reality.

Millions have died in car crashes- yet we have children driving the Autopia.

Alcoholism is a serious issue that has contributed to death, the separation of families, and ruined many lives- yet it's depicted in Pirates of the Caribbean.

The family members of astronauts who passed while in Space might not find Space Mountain fun, but instead a chilling reminder of how a loved one was lost.

Or what about the family members of those who have actually died while at Disneyland? I imagine a trip on the Columbia or a ride on Big Thunder or the Matterhorn is a very sensitive issue for them.

And every single one of these hypothetical situations is valid and something that should be considered. But in the case of Mansion, it's a ride that deals with the occult, the macabre, and the afterlife- and the scene with the hanging corpse is far from 'funny' but is instead meant to be a terrifying and intense moment in the attraction, a counter to the comedy that comes later.

Exactly. My grandpa died from a heart attack right in front of me. Should I be mad at every Hollywood director that directs a movie that includes scenes with heart attacks Or even makes light of them in comedies?

 

[PiratesMansion]

I find it ironic that the people most upset by and sensitive about Splash's closing are the very people telling others that it's not valid for anyone to be upset by depictions of suicide.

As I said, I want to keep the scene as is, but...priorities, guys. Or at least keep the way you're expressing your opinions in mind. The way you're expressing them now is not a good look.

 

[Californian Elitist]

And what does this have to do with the Haunted Mansion and how it can impact people?

@PiratesMansion laid it out already. If you truly can't understand how the depiction of a hanging body could possibly trigger and negatively affect someone, then I'm not sure what to say.

 

[mickEblu]

@PiratesMansion laid it out already. If you truly can't understand how the depiction of a hanging body could possibly trigger and negatively affect someone, then I'm not sure what to say.

Ok cool.

 

[SuddenStorm]

Exactly. My grandpa died from a heart attack right in front of me. Should I be mad at every Hollywood director that directs a movie that includes scenes with heart attacks Or even makes light of them in comedies?

I'm sorry about your grandfather. I can't imagine what that must have been like.

Another spin, war is a devastating experience for the soldiers, their families, and their countries. Yet Call of Duty is one of the most successful game series of all time- and some still insist that violent video games can lead to real life violence despite numerous studies that prove this isn't true.

No one with a level head has gone into the stretching room and thought that it was Disney 'making light' of suicide, or endorsing it.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I find it ironic that the people most upset about Splash closing are the very people telling others that it's not valid for anyone to be upset by depictions of suicide.

As I said, I want to keep the scene as is, but...priorities, guys. Or at least keep the way you're expressing your opinions in mind. The way you're expressing them now is not a good look.

It is ironic, isn't it?

People aren't taking themselves out of the equation. That's what it is. I'm not affected or triggered by depictions of suicide. Just because I'm not, it doesn't mean others aren't either. I would hope that there would be some understanding and empathy for those who are.

 

[mickEblu]

I wonder how many suicides we can attribute to the Haunted Mansion?

 

[SuddenStorm]

I find it ironic that the people most upset by and sensitive about Splash's closing are the very people telling others that it's not valid for anyone to be upset by depictions of suicide.

As I said, I want to keep the scene as is, but...priorities, guys. Or at least keep the way you're expressing your opinions in mind. The way you're expressing them now is not a good look.

When one diverts the discussion away from the actual topic and onto the people making the argument it turns very quickly into 'ad hominem'.

Which is ridiculous and disingenuous, just like your assertions that individuals defending Splash Mountain are somehow racist.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Ya'll still don't get it.

 

[SuddenStorm]

I wonder how many suicides we can attribute to the Haunted Mansion?

Or how many have ridden it and felt like it was Disney 'making light' of suicide? Just like Splash Mountain- no one had an issue with it until a week ago when rumors it might be changed surfaced. And now, those same people feigning offense over a ride that they've ridden their whole life, and millions ride annually are attempting to belittle those who say "you know, I think it's fine the way it is."

 

[Californian Elitist]

Let's get back on subject before my thread gets moved.

 

[mickEblu]

Or how many have ridden it and felt like it was Disney 'making light' of suicide? Just like Splash Mountain- no one had an issue with it until a week ago when rumors it might be changed surfaced. And now, those same people feigning offense over a ride that they've ridden their whole life, and millions ride annually are attempting to belittle those who say "you know, I think it's fine the way it is."

Right. If it’s so bad why did people around here need Disney to tell them it was bad. In all my years on these forums never once heard someone complain about the hanging man. SMH

 

[SuddenStorm]

Right. If it’s so bad why did people around here need Disney to tell them it was bad. In all my years on these forums never once heard someone complain about the hanging man. SMH

But Mick, my man. Now that we're saying that it's fine as is we somehow 'don't get it'.

 

[mickEblu]

But Mick, my man. Now that we're saying that it's fine as is we somehow 'don't get it'.

Everyday I more and more feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone.

 

[Californian Elitist]

But Mick, my man. Now that we're saying that it's fine as is we somehow 'don't get it'.

You don't.

Please, before this thread gets moved, let's get back on topic, especially since there is no understanding. If you and mick would like to continue the discussion, PM each other or create a thread in the Politics forum.

I can bet none of us wants this thread moved, and I apologize for helping steer it off course. Let's get it back on.

 

[mickEblu]

You don't.

Please, before this thread gets moved, let's get back on topic, especially since there is no understanding. If you and mick would like to continue the discussion, PM each other or create a thread in the Politics forum.

I can bet none of us wants this thread moved, and I apologize for helping steer it off course. Let's get it back on.

No you obviously don’t get it

 

[SuddenStorm]

You don't.

Please, before this thread gets moved, let's get back on topic, especially since there is no understanding. If you and mick would like to continue the discussion, PM each other or create a thread in the Politics forum.

I can bet none of us wants this thread moved, and I apologize for helping steer it off course. Let's get it back on.

I don't care if it gets moved, I doubt Mick does either. I'm fine if we continue the discussion where I'm accused of 'not getting it' and being told to end the discussion without the opportunity to have the points I've made responded to.

How is the Haunted Mansion stretching room different than any of the other scenarios me or Mickeblu have listed? Go through each of the other elements of Disneyland I mentioned and explain to me why those who would be offended by them are somehow less valid than those offended by the Stretching Room? Especially the Alcoholism in Pirates.

 

[PiratesMansion]

When one diverts the discussion away from the actual topic and onto the people making the argument it turns very quickly into 'ad hominem'.

Which is ridiculous and disingenuous, just like your assertions that individuals defending Splash Mountain are somehow racist.

Oh please. Staying relevant to this thread, I gave my take as to why HM's stretching room changes might be being discussed. Mick made an insensitive comment and made it clear that he did not care to understand why it was insensitive. THAT is what got the topic off the rails.

Also, notice how you two were so quick to empathize with each other and your own personal tragedies but dismiss out of hand everyone else's views and experiences. That is precisely why these arguments break out-because your empathy is selective. As if being empathetic to other people is inherently ridiculous or unworthy of your time.

This is the reason for everyone becoming frustrated. You cannot post some of the things that were posted and be shocked that other people were upset. At best, it shows a lack of self-awareness.

 

[mickEblu]

Rod Serling again. I keep hearing the music.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Something that I haven't mentioned yet... I recall people talking about Ray being in the ride. How is this possible if it will take place after the final scene in the film?