EPCOTCenterLover
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I like the music in PatF but it doesn't hold a candle to Zip or Laughing Place.
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Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion
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SuddenStorm
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It's not just the music loop- but Disneyland Band's performances, fireworks shows, parades, everything.
You're intentionally downplaying what Disney is doing with Zip
It's not like there's going to be long pauses of music in any of the BGM loops because Zip is gone. Nor will the loops repeat pretty quickly because Zip is gone.
Since SoTS, there have have been hundreds of popular Disney songs. May of them covered in a variety of styles so they fit almost anywhere.
Still, it is highly likely that barely anyone will notice and no one will care to the extent you think folks will, if not at all, besides the tiny few.
ZADDD has gone bye-bye. No way to downplay that. It’s gone from the parks. You are overstating the impact of this due to your own personal feelings.
SuddenStorm
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I think it's a death by 1,000 cuts type deal. No one change alone is enough to significantly change someone's love for the place- but it all adds up.
I think we all agree the park is going to the dogs- we just fixate on different elements that are contributing to that.
SuddenStorm
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On the flipside, you're downplaying the impact due to your own feelings about the song/property.
I think it really is important to understand how individual Disneyland is- everyone interprets the place differently. So I'm sure there are numerous people who do think the loss of Zip is a big deal- just as there are those who cheer it's removal.
And there are things that don't bother me at all that are enough to make people stop going.
Practical Pig
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I'm saddened by the loss of ZADDD, and agree that it is a quintessential Disney song, and also that the general public won't much notice a void that will be filled with other popular music.
But it's such a wonderfully joyful expression of life's simple pleasures, and far removed from its connection to Zip C***. I understand why it's gone since Disney understandably decided to go the nuclear option on SOTS, but purging ZADDD from the brand entirely seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
But it's such a wonderfully joyful expression of life's simple pleasures, and far removed from its connection to Zip C***. I understand why it's gone since Disney understandably decided to go the nuclear option on SOTS, but purging ZADDD from the brand entirely seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
BasiltheBatLord
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I've accepted the cultural changes to the parks, including the erasure of Splash Mountain and all that comes with it. I don't like the changes and think they are a terrible mistake, but I'm past the grieving phase.
What the changes have done for me personally however, is significantly changed my relationship with the parks and Disney permanently. I've turned a corner where I feel that the parks are no longer "for me" anymore. I'll still probably visit every couple years but I won't be as enthusiastic and I will spend my money accordingly. And yes I will probably become one of those people who only ever thinks about when the parks "were better" while visiting. That's the impact of these changes for me personally.
What the changes have done for me personally however, is significantly changed my relationship with the parks and Disney permanently. I've turned a corner where I feel that the parks are no longer "for me" anymore. I'll still probably visit every couple years but I won't be as enthusiastic and I will spend my money accordingly. And yes I will probably become one of those people who only ever thinks about when the parks "were better" while visiting. That's the impact of these changes for me personally.
Not at all. I’m being realistic. The removal of the song will not have some sort of emotional impact on the public, overall. It will for some people, such as yourself. But it will likely be so few that it won’t make any significant impact for the park, in general.
Correct, fans have their own interpretation of Disneyland. I’m not saying not a single person cares about the removal of ZADDD. I’m objecting to the extent that you seem to be claiming. That’s all.
Rich T
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For me, I believe that turning point occurred with the announcement of Galaxy’s Edge (devoting such a huge space to an IP Disney did not create) and the realization that the park I’d grown up with was no longer “Walt” Disneyland or even “Walt Disney Studios” Disneyland, but “Corporate” Disneyland. The fundamental changes to how one experiences the parks and the company’s refusal to limit capacity to a sane, comfortable level for guests have accelerated that detachment.
Also, there are now so many entertainment options available that filling one’s leisure time with high-quality, non-stressful, better-value non-Disney fun has never been easier.
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Rich T
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The point wasn’t whether or not Zip’s removal is good or bad, just that no one among the GP is going to notice. If Disney had quietly stopped playing it years ago (or waited for years from now) at a time disassociated from the Splash retheme, I don’t even think anyone here would notice or post about it— except in a discussion about which classic songs don’t get enough love at the parks anymore.
Brer Oswald
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“Bob Iger Land” if you will.
I'm honestly sorry. I understand feeling personally disappointed. But it won't make a difference to Disney or to crowd sizes.
Then again I was personally disappointed for other reasons but then somehow mysteriously ended up buying a magic key.
Rich T
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I sincerely hope you get your money’s worth from the purchase and gave a great time!
As a recent transplant to Florida, I found the cheap local pass perfectly fit my pattern of rope dropping the parks, riding things I hadn’t done yet, and leaving before noon. With the free parking and discounts, it paid for itself in three days.
But I use my Universal Orlando pass much, much more often— It helps that I can drop in anytime, get early entry and don’t need reservations. And I stay at the Universal Hotels (Sapphire Falls is a great sweetspot of reasonable price, beautiful grounds, and cheapest Water Taxi hotel) if I’m not just driving home after a park visit.
I stay at Universal even if I’m going to a Disney Park.
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mlayton144
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No - people would be scratching their heads , although Bambi is a golden era classic
Rich T
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No, I think it’s the losing current Splash that upsets fans much more than whatever’s replacing it.
Now I’m thinking about the final drop on Bambi Mountain… “Run, Bambi, Run!! (Rifle shot—-plunge)
Everyone’s in tears as they reach the unload zone…
DrAlice
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As I read this Zip debate, I can't help but wonder if this is somewhat generational. For every song that brings back childhood Disney nostalgia for me (and is "quintessential Disney" to me), there is another, newer song that does that for my child.
To frame it another way: Are there "quintessential Disney" songs that USED to be played in the parks that are no longer played? Have we already lost quintessential Disney songs that just disappeared and we didn't notice? Without the internet for people to publicly complain about these things, a lot has changed over the years while very few noticed.
Also, just out of curiosity, has Zip been played in the parks since 1955 or was it added when Splash was built?
To frame it another way: Are there "quintessential Disney" songs that USED to be played in the parks that are no longer played? Have we already lost quintessential Disney songs that just disappeared and we didn't notice? Without the internet for people to publicly complain about these things, a lot has changed over the years while very few noticed.
Also, just out of curiosity, has Zip been played in the parks since 1955 or was it added when Splash was built?
This sounds like a great idea for your next Planet Coaster project.
Midwest Elitist
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Zip was used in like every attraction opening I believe. Space Mountain before Splash Mountain.As I read this Zip debate, I can't help but wonder if this is somewhat generational. For every song that brings back childhood Disney nostalgia for me (and is "quintessential Disney" to me), there is another, newer song that does that for my child.
To frame it another way: Are there "quintessential Disney" songs that USED to be played in the parks that are no longer played? Have we already lost quintessential Disney songs that just disappeared and we didn't notice? Without the internet for people to publicly complain about these things, a lot has changed over the years while very few noticed.
Also, just out of curiosity, has Zip been played in the parks since 1955 or was it added when Splash was built?
This sounds like a great idea for your next Planet Coaster project.
