Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

SuddenStorm

Well-Known Member
Can I claim your hot take as my hot take? Cause it's exactly how I feel as well.

The Disneyland version barely has a theme, or a plot at all.

You take that back 🤣. I'll argue till the day I die that Disneyland's Splash is a masterclass in themed design. Is the story as fleshed out as later iterations of the ride? No- but the fast pace limits the ability to effectively tell a linear story. The story is told well enough that the riders are able to feel satisfied by the experience when it's done. The set design and sound design go a long way.

Heck, I'm still mad about America Sings closing! Why can't we have a thread about that?

If they brought back America Sings- perhaps with slight updates to add some more recent music, it'd take a huge part of the sting of Splash closing out. It'd be nice for them to do something worthwhile in the Carousel building again.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
I'm still mad about America Sings replacing Carousel of Progress.

But then I've been known to hold a grudge.
I mean, at least America Sings was a full fledged animatronic production. Far better than the building sitting empty, or Innoventions, or the Launch Bay.
Oh heck yeah! It is a whole lotta wasted space.

All of the above comments are true and factual and correct. Facts!

What's really sad is that Carousel Theater ride/show system was purposely designed by Imagineering at the very top of their game as Gracious Park Hosts to handle over 3,000 guests per hour without even breathing hard, while only requiring one hostess staffed in each of the six theater segments of the carousel, plus a couple of gals outside acting as ushers and the welcoming committee. For a 25 minute animatronic spectacular, either selling GE toaster ovens or selling patriotic American nostalgia. Both shows had toe-tapping music.

And the boneheads in TDA today don't know why the parks are so overcrowded and the paying customers are so cranky about it! The place is truly run by idiots in the 21st century, and they don't deserve to wear nametags quite frankly. :banghead:

Meanwhile, 60 years ago, WDI had already come up with this fabulous people-eating entertainment machine...

238 Guests Every 4 Minutes Equals 3,570 Guests Per Hour.

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EPCOTCenterLover

Well-Known Member
All of the above comments are true and factual and correct. Facts!

What's really sad is that Carousel Theater ride/show system was purposely designed by Imagineering at the very top of their game as Gracious Park Hosts to handle over 3,000 guests per hour without even breathing hard, while only requiring one hostess staffed in each of the six theater segments of the carousel, plus a couple of gals outside acting as ushers and the welcoming committee. For a 25 minute animatronic spectacular, either selling GE toaster ovens or selling patriotic American nostalgia. Both shows had toe-tapping music.

And the boneheads in TDA today don't know why the parks are so overcrowded and the paying customers are so cranky about it! The place is truly run by idiots in the 21st century, and they don't deserve to wear nametags quite frankly. :banghead:

Meanwhile, 60 years ago, WDI had already come up with this fabulous people-eating entertainment machine...

238 Guests Every 4 Minutes Equals 3,570 Guests Per Hour.

April-22-1964-The-1964-1965-New-York-World%E2%80%99s-Fair-opened.jpg
Between replacing 10-15 minute attractions with two minute thrills and building rides with low capacity, its no surprise the walkways are crowded and people are frustrated. Especially in Florida where the three newer Disney parks have been underbuilt for decades.
 

Haymarket

Well-Known Member
At least Splash Mountain will remain in Tokyo. I suggest making a recording of the audio of the original, and listening to it while riding the one in Tokyo.

If Tokyo ever succumbs to the licensor's (Disney's) pressure to switch (very doubtful, as OLC and Japanese consumers don't share certain American sociocultural neuroses), it'll be decades from now (Western media are always trying to chip away Japanese resolve about those things (i.e., have them adopt certain types of American/Western neuroses about certain things only Americans and other Westerners did to certain peoples); thank goodness for the language barrier). That's how it goes in Japan. OLC has plenty of power in the relationship.

Visit Tokyo and relive good things.

 
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Phroobar

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I wonder if Rufus's cave will stay in the new version. He's been snoring in that cave since before there was a Splash Mountain.

Before Disneyland’s Critter Country was Critter Country, it was called Bear Country, after its star attraction: The Country Bear Jamboree. Near the entrance was a cave where guests could hear the snores of Rufus the sleeping bear.

When Splash Mountain moved in and Bear Country became Critter Country, the Imagineers payed tribute to Rufus by having audible snores coming out of Br’er Bear’s cave near the start of the ride.
 

BrerFoxesBayouAdventure

Well-Known Member
At least Splash Mountain will remain in Tokyo. I suggest making a recording of the audio of the original, and listening to it while riding the one in Tokyo.

If Tokyo ever succumbs to the licensor's (Disney's) pressure to switch (very doubtful, as OLC and Japanese consumers don't share certain American sociocultural neuroses), it'll be decades from now (Western media are always trying to chip away Japanese resolve about those things (i.e., have them adopt certain types of American/Western neuroses about certain things only Americans and other Westerners did to certain peoples); thank goodness for the language barrier). That's how it goes in Japan. OLC has plenty of power in the relationship.

Visit Tokyo and relive good things.


Song of the South is public domain in Japan so that stacked on top of the Uncle Remus stories also being public domain means that Disney might not have much of a say in removing them. Critter Country is also entirely themed around the ride so good luck getting them to tear out that entire area and retheme it.

I wonder if Rufus's cave will stay in the new version. He's been snoring in that cave since before there was a Splash Mountain.

Before Disneyland’s Critter Country was Critter Country, it was called Bear Country, after its star attraction: The Country Bear Jamboree. Near the entrance was a cave where guests could hear the snores of Rufus the sleeping bear.

When Splash Mountain moved in and Bear Country became Critter Country, the Imagineers payed tribute to Rufus by having audible snores coming out of Br’er Bear’s cave near the start of the ride.
There's a bear in the back of one of the concept art pieces so I hope to god Rufus sticks around.
 

BasiltheBatLord

Well-Known Member
Song of the South is public domain in Japan so that stacked on top of the Uncle Remus stories also being public domain means that Disney might not have much of a say in removing them. Critter Country is also entirely themed around the ride so good luck getting them to tear out that entire area and retheme it.
Disney could threaten the nuclear option of pulling the IP license from the resort. It would be a pretty extreme move but if Disney truly considers SotS representation in the modern company to be unacceptable then it is an option they have.

It's worth noting that woke-related pressure has already been somewhat successful at TDR, Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah was pulled from the park gate area loop in fall 2022.
 

Professortango1

Well-Known Member
At least Splash Mountain will remain in Tokyo. I suggest making a recording of the audio of the original, and listening to it while riding the one in Tokyo.

If Tokyo ever succumbs to the licensor's (Disney's) pressure to switch (very doubtful, as OLC and Japanese consumers don't share certain American sociocultural neuroses), it'll be decades from now (Western media are always trying to chip away Japanese resolve about those things (i.e., have them adopt certain types of American/Western neuroses about certain things only Americans and other Westerners did to certain peoples); thank goodness for the language barrier). That's how it goes in Japan. OLC has plenty of power in the relationship.

Visit Tokyo and relive good things.



While not my favourite version of Splash, its nice to know that it will be there and well maintained.
 

Haymarket

Well-Known Member
Song of the South is public domain in Japan so that stacked on top of the Uncle Remus stories also being public domain means that Disney might not have much of a say in removing them. Critter Country is also entirely themed around the ride so good luck getting them to tear out that entire area and retheme it.

In the context of their business relationship, Disney could apply some pressure (realistically, at most, a "concerned" statement of "disappointment" that OLC isn't open to a change). It would never reach litigation, however, for either party, as both understand the importance of continuing to cultivate a mutually nurturing relationship, and because of the cultural context (I "know Japan" extremely well, and litigation in this sort of matter absolutely wouldn't happen).

I'm also a (former but still licensed) attorney with some background in IP law. I don't know Japan's IP laws, but theoretically it's possible given long-arm statutes, Disney could sue OLC for trademark infringement in a US court, despite Song of the South being public domain in Japan. But that absolutely would never, ever happen (getting hit by lightning twice is more likely), and OLC probably doesn't have any property in the US to which a judgment in Disney's favor could be attached.

OLC pays royalties and covers (huge) R&D expenses for tech Disney can use in other parks, and Disney provides almost everything else. They benefit immensely from each other. If Disney goes crazy militant about it, perhaps they'd threaten to pull the license (I don't know if that's even possible in the comprehensive agreement), but it's almost unimaginable; it'd be absurd. The board would have to be replaced with lunatics, and the next CEO would have to be a lunatic to pursue it.

I fully expect coverage of it (Splash Mountain remaining in Japan) in Western media, when the Tiana ride opens. The Times et al love to rip into Japan about that sort of thing, consistently pushing stories with the underlying themes of, e.g.:
  • "Japan needs to become multicultural"
  • "Japan needs to open its borders to the world (i.e., mass immigration) because it's facing a 'demographic CRISIS!'" (neoliberal economic dogma)
  • "Japan needs to address its millennia-old and deeply ingrained standards of beauty and how it perceives [certain foreigners]"
  • "Japan needs to address microaggressions against [certain foreigners]"
  • "Japan needs to address its legacy of fear of [certain foreigners]"
That is, i.e., "Japan should embrace all 'progressive' American neuroses about [certain sociocultural issues], and change its millennia-old society and culture to be like ours." Not entitled or neoimperialistic at all (sarcasm).

The articles will plug-in a few quotes by a few Japanese academics who've bought into the whole American take on ... all that stuff ... to essentially condemn OLC. Vox, The Atlantic, and the like will publish "this is problematic" think-pieces with titles like Tiana Isn't the Most Popular Disney Princess in Japan, and That's a Problem, and a Twitter mob will start pestering OLC about it (petitions galore). I doubt OLC will care one iota.

Splash Mountain will stand strong in Tokyo.

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SuddenStorm

Well-Known Member
Between replacing 10-15 minute attractions with two minute thrills and building rides with low capacity, its no surprise the walkways are crowded and people are frustrated. Especially in Florida where the three newer Disney parks have been underbuilt for decades.

I remember when Fastpass was in it's early years, Lutz would report on how much operations hated it.

Which makes sense- it contributes to overcrowding walkways and was not how the parks were designed to operate.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
One leverage that Disney has over OLC is that Japan loves and wants Disney IP. And if Disney comes up with an IP and ride combo that Japan really really wants, well, a deal can be made over what they need to do to get that IP/ride.
 

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