Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

SuddenStorm

SuddenStorm

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mlayton144 said:
Then why spend hundred of millions of dollars to rip it apart for a salt mine ?
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Right- the insinuation that theme doesn't matter is foolish. If theme didn't matter, Disneyland would be no different than any other theme park.

Theme is incredibly important- though it doesn't work in isolation. A good theme with poor execution isn't good. The more important question is if Tiana is a better theme for this flume ride than the Br'er tales.

I don't think it is- the Br'ers are an inherently better theme for Splash Mountain because Splash was purpose built from the ground up for the Br'er theme. Tiana will always just be grafted on- and I'm sure it will show, just like it's obvious Guardians was rethemed to be what it is now.

That said, a huge Tiana fan would probably think Tiana is the better theme, if only because they're a fan of the princess. And thematic preferences for an attraction are very subjective, though if an attraction has a bad theme or bad execution over the long term audiences will lose interest.

So the question is- in 30 years, will the Tiana theme be as popular as Splash?

Or, will it be as popular as however popular Splash would have been in 30 years?
 
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MoonRakerSCM

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The confused message from imagineering about the redo is all we need to know it will be crap.

Splash Mountain was created with a story, fun experience, and theming in mind... PotF is being made with none of those at the forefront. No one wins with this redo because it was initiated for the wrong reasons.

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SuddenStorm

SuddenStorm

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MoonRakerSCM said:
Splash Mountain was created with a story, fun experience, and theming in mind... PotF is being made with none of those at the forefront. No one wins with this redo because it was initiated for the wrong reasons.
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The myriad of red flags surrounding the retheme is a whole other can of worms. I'm waiting to delve into it until the ride opens, or until we have more info. Especially because if we speculate about how lousy it looks, we will get told we can't because we don't have proof and haven't ridden it yet.

Because right now Tiana runs an employee owned co op out of a salt mine does not sound like a good time.
 
_caleb

_caleb

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SuddenStorm said:
I don't think it is- the Br'ers are an inherently better theme for Splash Mountain because Splash was purpose built from the ground up for the Br'er theme. Tiana will always just be grafted on- and I'm sure it will show, just like it's obvious Guardians was rethemed to be what it is now.
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With AAs that were purpose built for America Sings, not for a Br’er theme.
 
_caleb

_caleb

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celluloid said:
Evidence confirmed!
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Again, my issue with what you’ve posted—and argued—in this thread today is your repeated use of the word “fact” to refer to things you do not and cannot actually know.

Guys, we’ve interacted here long enough to have discussed nearly everything there is to discuss about this ride. We’ve also been around long enough to know where everyone stands on things. I’m not sure what we get by posting the same things over and over, but I would certainly appreciate if we could at least be honest about opinions rather than debate ourselves into corners that require semantic backflips to get out of.
 
SuddenStorm

SuddenStorm

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_caleb said:
With AAs that were purpose built for America Sings, not for a Br’er theme.
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Yep- but the character designs are similar enough that it works well. Some of them- like the baby possums- are near identical from America Sings and Song of the South. But I think the 'Do America Sings figures have a place in Splash' debate was beat to death about 30 years ago. You get my point.

It's also worth mentioning that Splash was designed from the beginning to incorporate the AS animatronics.

And it helps remove Splash from Song of the South further.
 
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celluloid

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_caleb said:
Again, my issue with what you’ve posted—and argued—in this thread today is your repeated use of the word “fact” to refer to things you do not and cannot actually know.
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What were these things you are referring to that I cannot know?
Splash has a larger ridership to this day than any of the shuttered attractions that had a shorter lifespan and one that was longer.
This by definition is factually more popular. I do not have the exact numbers, but inference can be used for fact because the numbers are known by others and observable truths.
I don't know for sure gravity will work by tomorrow and you don't know for sure Disney will close Splash on the exact day they announced, but it is likelihood and inference as fact.

If you are afraid to say Splash is more popular with it's three operating attractions in the busiest theme parks in the world than Matterhorn with one at Disneyland, than your inference meter is broken. It is observable. The fact is more people ride it, so it is proven to be true.

There is no argument to be had. Only semantics is in the silly devil's advocate games.
 
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celluloid

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Parteecia said:
You keep using that word! I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Too much with the exclamation, not the same impact with that, but I appreciate the attempt to quote a great one.

I quoted Cali Elitist with the poster stating "it is Obvious ...and that is all.there is to it" which would be observable, which is, in fact, what leads to fact.
Like, Webster's level.

Also,.evidence was what other were repeating. I am the one they are complaining about for missing facts that are observable, but not debunked. Keep up...uhh... cupcake.
 

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