If Dr. Facilier is scrubbed because of being P.C., then why has he been so featured in MK's Halloween Party and in Fantasmic!?
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Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion
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Kirby86
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Also Mama Odie wouldn't be part of the ride she practices Voodoo as well.
For the littlest fans, Disney could replace Pooh’s meet n’ greet with Tiana and Louis. Maybe they’ll convert the Pooh ride into a swamp playground. It would actually be an improvement.
Actually I see them making the Crocket Canoes into a Tiana M/G
"Pfft who knows who Davey Crocket is anymore and who likes rowing?"- Disney execs
We don’t know what the exact plot of the ride is yet, but Facilier likely isn’t in the ride because it takes place after the film. The ride has a new plot; including Facilier in it, considering his demise in the end, doesn’t make much sense. Not to me, at least.
If Disney was concerned about being PC with Facilier, he wouldn’t be represented in the parks.
Practical Pig
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I wasn't comfortable with Dr. Facilier in my first viewing. He seemed to me like a caricature seen through white eyes. But I'll leave any confirmation of offense to people with other skin tones than mine.
mickEblu
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Considering the reason for this retheme, I think him not existing on the ride because of the voodoo stuff is less far fetched than believing they re leaving out a fan favorite character/song because the attraction is set after the film. In fact he just may be the reason (or one of them) that they wanted to have the ride be set after the events of the movie. It’s obviously incredibly easy to just say his shadow is back from the other side. Just as easy as writing the backstory that includes Tianas employee owned food co op from the 1920’s.
Take how they have handled Splash Mountain for example. They basically came out and said the ride is problematic and here it is still in operation two and half years later. They removed ZADD from all music loops but there it is blasting on the ride. Just because Facilier is present at the parks now doesn’t mean he’s in their long term plans. We already know Disney is just wingin it these days. They have a list of things that are “problematic” at the park that they want to address. He may just just be towards the bottom of that list.
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mharrington
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And why is he often included in the mainstream villain lineup?
mharrington
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They need to remove the ZPD2DA license plate from the Roger Rabbit ride, too. And not just from the Anaheim ride either, but the Tokyo ride as well. I heard that they had removed Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah from non-Splash Mountain music loops as well.
If Mama Odie is in the ride, then your theory about this would be wrong, since she also practices voodoo in the film.
We’ll have to wait and see, but nothing about what they’ve shared so far about the plot makes sense to include Facilier. It’s taking place during Mardi Gras. But, we shall see. I could be wrong.
mickEblu
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She’s not evil though and doesn’t do any of the black magic. Black people I don’t think are allowed to be villains or be Evil considering so few of them are represented by Disney or at the park. I don’t think Mama Odie and Facilier is a 1:1 comparison.
They removed the witch doctor from the Jungle Cruise. So it doesn’t seem far fetched to think they wouldn’t include Facilier in the PatF ride.
Perhaps not, but under the scrutiny and fear of it, he is not included in the attraction for such reasons.
For what reasons?
Fear of scrutiny needs not any specific ones anymore.
Practical Pig
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Possibly because he is the only black villain they have, they are working on inclusiveness, and they're trying to figure out to do with him that works?
I don't follow what happens in Florida very much.
PatF has Black protagonists and Black antagonists. It has evil voodoo and good voodoo. So, to me, doesn't seem like there is much stereotyping going on.
That Facilier isn't in the ride because of PC concerns gets brought up often... but not by insiders. Just by people making suppositions. Other people repeating the supposition doesn't make it true.
As mentioned above many times, the ride takes place after the events of the movie. So, could they have brought Facilier back? Sure, with some hand-waving. But consider that Hans isn't in Frozen Ever After. And his absence isn't presumed to be because of "P.C." issues, but simply because the events of FEA take place after the movie.
And Facilier is still present in the parks. So... there's a big counter-example to the assumption of being "P.C."
Also, this...
K. So you are making assumptions then.
mickEblu
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What on earth could they do with Hans on an attraction? Reenact his moment of betrayal?
Also what PC issues are there in regards to Hans?
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Totally missing the point.
A ride that takes place after the events of the movie does not have to have all the movie's characters in the ride. Especially if they're dead.
And we've been told officially, the ride takes place after the movie.
mickEblu
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It’s a bad comparison as Hans does not translate to a theme park attraction the way Facilier and his song would. Hans wouldn’t even be worth an AA. He wouldn’t even be worth the cost of a fiberglass Moose statue from the ROA.
“Oh my God! He’s the bad guy” as we go down the drop. Or how about, “OMG look how cute they are singing that Love is an Open Door song. I totally don’t remember he ends up being the bad guy.” Lol