Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

[_caleb]

Not to jump in but it kind of does. Disney doesn't take solicited ideas. (Or so they claim) So either they honestly and truly had this overhaul concept on the back burner for a while and brought it out after blowing up on Twitter or they lied and took an armchair pitch as their own.

How do you think Disney avoids being sued by armchair imagineers, fan artists, etc. when there's any semblance between what they do and what a fan dreamt up using their IP?

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

How do you think Disney avoids being sued by armchair imagineers, fan artists, etc. when there's any semblance between what they do and what a fan dreamt up using their IP?

good question.

 

[Disney Irish]

Well, it would seem that everyone missed the point of my post.

Hey, I like The Princess and the Frog. My annoyance with the retheme has nothing to do with whether or not I like the movie. But Disney did indeed brush it off as a flop. It wasn't a bomb, but it didn't make as much money as they were hoping (likely because it was up against films like AVATAR and the second Alvin and the Chipmunks movie), and that somehow convinced them that hand-drawn animated films were dangerous. If it weren't for the fact that Tiana is included in the Disney Princess line, Disney likely wouldn't have acknowledged the film at all throughout the 2010s. And now they're going to retheme a popular ride to it? Seems very suspicious.

No, I understand that Song of the South is problematic. The ride and the movie are not the same thing.

Modern Disney can be, and has been, a very sleazy company. They filmed a movie near a concentration camp. They blacklisted Steve Whitmire, the former puppeteer of Kermit the Frog, because he constantly disagreed with the direction they were taking the Muppets in. They shut down Blue Sky Studios, putting millions of people out of work, and yet continue to profit off their productions by making sequels to them without their involvement or approval (basically on par with their plans to do sequels to PIXAR movies without PIXAR's involvement or approval in the 2000s). Wasn't there something from 2020 or 2021 about them not crediting an author or something? I'm not going to immediately assume they're doing this out of the kindness of their hearts.

Yes. That is it. Anyone can think they're only doing this because people demanded it

Splash Mountain was never intended to be an anti-black ride. And while Song of the South is indeed racist, I don't think the movie was intended to be "anti-black" either.

Proof, please. And no, Disney's claim does not qualify as solid proof.

Yes, but very rarely do those ideas that other armchair imagineers come up with gain an insane amount of publicity and spark petitions to get them built.


You mean people who believe Splash Mountain is the embodiment of racism and that Disney should be lauded for retheming it to a movie that's suddenly being considered the anti-Song of the South? That IS the audience Disney is aiming for with the retheme, isn't it?

They likely do if it'll benefit them and their image in any way. The Splash Mountain retheme does. Something like, say, bringing back Dreamfinder does not.

I thought the fact that Frederick Chambers just so happened to have the same idea as the Disney imagineers WAS a coincidence. And how do you KNOW there's no conspiracy?

As I said before, Disney saw it as a flop. That doesn't automatically mean it WAS a flop, but in Disney's eyes it was.

True. But I doubt Disney cares about how big a fanbase Tiana has. If they cared about how large a fanbase a character has, they'd have brought Dreamfinder back by now.

They've barely tried outside of Splash Mountain, which opened DECADES AGO. The only other noteworthy appearance of the Brers in anything since then is Kinect Disneyland Adventures.

Yes, and they think bowing to the mob will best position them to make money near- and long-term. Like I said, the retheme makes Disney look good. That doesn't automatically mean they have good intentions.

And you people do realize Chambers isn't even doing anything to deny that he's responsible for this mess getting started, right? He's letting people do interviews with him over his idea and mocks Splash Mountain fans on Twitter.

My friend, you realize at this point you're one of the only posters still arguing on this. And you're going around in circles now on your points you're trying to argue.

Maybe its time to realize this forum is not the best place for you to argue your very passionate points. Its best to contact Disney directly with your gripes on how they are treating your favorite attraction. As doing it here isn't going to accomplish anything except starting to alienate other posters.

 

[Brer Panther]

There is no proof. But the fact that the kid from Twitter isn't suing Disney for stealing his idea should tell you something.

Of course he's not gonna sue Disney. Not only is he loving the publicity he's getting as a result of it, he's a Disneyland cast member. He's not going to sue the people giving him a paycheck.

Who believes this? @raven24 asked you for a quote from anyone around here who believes this, and you haven't provided.

Rich T and Roger the Pianist have made it clear that they think that.

You keep saying this, but it still isn't true.

I thought Disney's believing The Princess and the Frog was a flop was pretty well-known. It's also the reason they didn't call Tangled "Rapunzel" (they thought The Princess and the Frog's having "Princess" in the title scared boys away).

This is business.

Remember that quote from The Lorax? About how business must keep "biggering" regardless of the crummies it puts in the Brown Barbaloots' tummies? Yeah, how did that work out for the Once-Ler again?

And you're going around in circles now on your points you're trying to argue.

Well, so are the pro-rethemers. They keep pulling out the same arguments, too.

Its best to contact Disney directly with your gripes on how they are treating your favorite attraction.

I tried that. After the retheme was announced, I sent them a letter and didn't get a reply. Then I tried sending them an email and got a form letter as a response.

 

[_caleb]

Of course he's not gonna sue Disney. Not only is he loving the publicity he's getting as a result of it, he's a Disneyland cast member. He's not going to sue the people giving him a paycheck.

You think he prefers is $12/hr job compared to a huge windfall from Disney stealing his completely original idea?

Rich T and Roger the Pianist have made it clear that they think that.

Look, we're trying to help you. Those guys don't love you like we do.

I thought Disney's believing The Princess and the Frog was a flop was pretty well-known. It's also the reason they didn't call Tangled "Rapunzel" (they thought The Princess and the Frog's having "Princess" in the title scared boys away).

I saw this Buzzfeed article, too.

Remember that quote from The Lorax? About how business must keep "biggering" regardless of the crummies it puts in the Brown Barbaloots' tummies? Yeah, how did that work out for the Once-Ler again?

Sir, this is a Disney fansite

 

[Midwest Elitist]

Look guys, we all have our disagreements, but can't we all get along? I think we're all on the same page here.

 

[Disney Irish]

Of course he's not gonna sue Disney. Not only is he loving the publicity he's getting as a result of it, he's a Disneyland cast member. He's not going to sue the people giving him a paycheck.

Sorry but this is just not true. As far as I can tell his "15 minutes" ended a day or so after Disney announced the project.

Also creators who have their concepts stolen by their employers sue all the time, paycheck or no paycheck. The fact he isn't suing shows that he understands "Armchair Imagineering" is a hobby not a job. In fact he publicly stated he'd love it if WDI called him for a job.

Well, so are the pro-rethemers. They keep pulling out the same arguments, too.

You keep bringing up these "pro-rethemers", who are these posters you claim are them? The two you named? They haven't interacted with you in a long time as far as I can tell. So who are you really arguing against?

I tried that. After the retheme was announced, I sent them a letter and didn't get a reply. Then I tried sending them an email and got a form letter as a response.

And that should tell you something, its time to maybe let this go.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Not to jump in but it kind of does. Disney doesn't take solicited ideas. (Or so they claim) So either they honestly and truly had this overhaul concept on the back burner for a while and brought it out after a similar take blew up on Twitter or they lied and took a Twitter user's armchair pitch as their own.

I am pretty disturbed by the fact that so many people are okay with the fact that non-BIPOC have centered themselves in this conversation, have used it for their own clout and gain, and that the people who actually need to be heard are repeatedly shut out of this conversation.

Centering yourself in a conversation you don't belong and profiting off of BIPOC pain as a non-BIPOC doesn't make anyone a hero, it makes them a leech.

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

I am pretty disturbed by the fact that so many people are okay with the fact that non-BIPOC have centered themselves in this conversation, have used it for their own clout and gain, and that the people who actually need to be heard are repeatedly shut out of this conversation.

Centering yourself in a conversation you don't belong and profiting off of BIPOC pain as a non-BIPOC doesn't make anyone a hero, it makes them a leech.

I don’t disagree. But you’re describing an entire cottage industry, though. Welcome to the state of nearly every 21st century corporate America (and every half-hearted executive level “study committee”) in a nutshell.

It doesn’t have to make sense or help anyone it’s supposed to, it just has to make the people in charge look good.

 

[EagleScout610]

Of course he's not gonna sue Disney. Not only is he loving the publicity he's getting as a result of it, he's a Disneyland cast member. He's not going to sue the people giving him a paycheck.

Has anyone really heard anything from him lately?

Rich T and Roger the Pianist have made it clear that they think that.

Two people.

I thought Disney's believing The Princess and the Frog was a flop was pretty well-known. It's also the reason they didn't call Tangled "Rapunzel" (they thought The Princess and the Frog's having "Princess" in the title scared boys away).

A flop that has been seen on Merch, shows, parades, ect... since debueting. Just because it wasn't something like Endgame or Frozen doesn't exactly mean they see it as a total fail. Disney has a way of making flops vanish (Atlantis anyone?)

Remember that quote from The Lorax? About how business must keep "biggering" regardless of the crummies it puts in the Brown Barbaloots' tummies? Yeah, how did that work out for the Once-Ler again?

"I shall charge them here, I shall charge them there. I shall charge them everywhere" - Dr. Bob Chapek

Well, so are the pro-rethemers. They keep pulling out the same arguments, too.

We all are. Just the nature of internet forums

I tried that. After the retheme was announced, I sent them a letter and didn't get a reply. Then I tried sending them an email and got a form letter as a response.

And you're suprised?

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

A flop that has been seen on Merch, shows, parades, ect... since debueting. Just because it wasn't something like Endgame or Frozen doesn't exactly mean they see it as a total fail. Disney has a way of making flops vanish (Atlantis anyone?)

I’ll just add that by the standards of PaTF, The Nightmare Before Christmas was a “flop” in 1993 which has gone from cult hit to a huge powerhouse franchise that similarly overtakes a popular attraction albeit on a seasonal basis.

Even Sleeping Beauty and Fantasia which were both B.O. disappointments at the time are arguably extremely well represented in the parks. With Sorcerer Mickey and the castle being Disney park franchise icons.

Since it’s release PaTF and Tiana in particular has grown in popularity and fits the NOS theme reasonably well. That’s not to say I have the utmost confidence in modern WDI that this retheme will be done right, but I would hope Disney leadership is smart enough to realize the immense pressure that is on them riding on the success of this project, for multiple reasons.

 

[Dear Prudence]

I don’t disagree. But you’re describing an entire cottage industry, though. Welcome to the state of nearly every 21st century corporate America (and every half-hearted executive level “study committee”) in a nutshell.

It doesn’t have to make sense or help anyone it’s supposed to, it just has to make the people in charge look good.

I was referring to the podcasts, articles, etc., but that checks, too

 

[Brer Panther]

In hindsight, "you people" was a really poor choice of words. Didn't mean to come off as so hostile. Sorry about that.

 

[el_super]

Not to jump in but it kind of does. Disney doesn't take solicited ideas. (Or so they claim) So either they honestly and truly had this overhaul concept on the back burner for a while and brought it out after a similar take blew up on Twitter or they lied and took a Twitter user's armchair pitch as their own.

They would never use an outside idea as their own. Ever. So the odds are pretty high that they had this idea planned for awhile.

But for the purposes of arguing the benefits of the refurbishment, where the idea came from is really irrelevant. Disney is deciding to change the ride, whether you believe they ce to that conclusion or that there was some grand conspiracy against Splash Mountain.

The talk about a conspiracy to turn people against Splash is nothing more than faulty logic being used to protect one's self from having to reflect on the realities of a ride's troubled history.

There is no conspiracy. The ride just needs to go. Period.

 

[Dear Prudence]

I get so tired of people whom this does not even effect grandstanding when they are not in any position to quantify or make statements. That's both camps for me honestly. Bonus points if they just make up nonsense to full their own knowledge gaps.

 

[EagleScout610]

Fast question- since Florida got the base of their mountain repainted, has DL gotten repainted at all this rehab?

 

[Brer Panther]

Okay, I wasn't going to come back to this thread, but I saw the replies my previous post got and I felt like I had to say something. I'm gonna try to be as calm and respectful when replying as I can. I don't want to ruffle any more feathers.

You think he prefers is $12/hr job compared to a huge windfall from Disney stealing his completely original idea?

I think if he were going to sue Disney, he would've done it by now.

And I feel like Disney could get away with doing his idea (since they're the ones that actually own both Splash Mountain and The Princess and the Frog) so long as the finished ride is not exactly like his Twitter pitch (I don't recall Chambers' idea focusing on Louis searching for his trumpet or whatever).

I saw this Buzzfeed article, too.

Well, actually...

Rapunzel renamed by Disney 'because it doesn't appeal to boys'

Rapunzel, the much-loved fairytale, is to be rebranded by Disney because its name is too "gender-specific".

www.telegraph.co.uk

Although Byron Howard claimed in another article that this wasn't the case. Make of that what you will.

Sorry but this is just not true.

I distinctively remember seeing articles interviewing him long after the retheme was announced.

They haven't interacted with you in a long time as far as I can tell.

I'm asked to give examples of folks on here who unambiguously support the retheme. I give examples of people who support the retheme. They've all but stated to hate Splash Mountain.

And that should tell you something, its time to maybe let this go.

People still complain about attractions like Mr. Toad and the Great Movie Ride being shut down. How is my being upset over Splash Mountain being shut down any different?

Two people.

Plus lots and lots of people on Twitter, too.

A flop that has been seen on Merch, shows, parades, ect... since debueting.

It was enough of a "flop" to get them to stop making hand-drawn animated films. Dumbo's underperforming wasn't enough to get them to stop making live action remakes. And Brother Bear characters have made their way into shows and parades, too, that doesn't mean Disney didn't consider that film a flop.

And you're suprised?

I don't recall being surprised. But it was still frustrating.

I’ll just add that by the standards of PaTF, The Nightmare Before Christmas was a “flop” in 1993 which has gone from cult hit to a huge powerhouse franchise that similarly overtakes a popular attraction albeit on a seasonal basis.

Even Sleeping Beauty and Fantasia which were both B.O. disappointments at the time are arguably extremely well represented in the parks. With Sorcerer Mickey and the castle being Disney park franchise icons.

Yes, but the decisions to bring those films into the parks were before Iger and Chapek took over the company. If the amount of money a film makes doesn't guarantee a film making its way into the parks in modern Disney's eyes, they probably would have added something based on The Good Dinosaur to Dinoland U.S.A. by now because, y'know, dinosaurs.

They would never use an outside idea as their own. Ever. So the odds are pretty high that they had this idea planned for awhile.

Like I said before, though, usually when Disney's developing an attraction for the parks, it somehow gets leaked onto this very site. We knew about Runaway Railway, the Guardians of the Galaxy retheme of Tower of Terror, etc. before they were announced. If Disney really had been planning this for a while, wouldn't we have heard something about it?

And why NOW? A decade after the film was released?

The talk about a conspiracy to turn people against Splash is nothing more than faulty logic being used to protect one's self from having to reflect on the realities of a ride's troubled history.

There is no conspiracy. The ride just needs to go. Period.

First of all, I don't like that you're implying I'm stupid or afraid to "face the truth" regarding a ride about talking animals. I was never offended by the Jungle Cruise natives, but I can still understand why somebody could be offended by it (I wish they'd put more thought into what they replaced them with than just "LOL apes are funny", but still). I don't get that with Splash Mountain.

And I wasn't the one who came up with the "it's all a conspiracy" theory.

Second, I've seen pro-rethemers come up with conspiracy theories regarding the ride. Claiming that it was intended to be a metaphor for "staying in your place" or whatever. That's okay?

Third, you can't say you're a fan of the ride and then say "The ride just needs to go. Period." That's like saying "Hey, I love Test Track but they should get rid of it."

I have to ask... does anyone in this thread think that I'm making things up? That I'm throwing out lies to make The Princess and the Frog or Disney look bad? As I've said before, I like The Princess and the Frog and I agree that it deserves a ride. But I don't want it to happen like THIS. Nor do I like seeing people use it as a weapon against Brer Rabbit. And I've said before that I don't disagree that Song of the South is an extremely problematic movie. I just don't think it should matter that the Brers are featured in Splash Mountain so long as the ride itself is not racist.

The only thing this retheme has accomplished is causing discord in the Disney theme park fan community. There's been constant bickering and arguing over whether or not the attraction is problematic, and going through with the retheme isn't going to stop that. People aren't just going to forget that Splash Mountain was ever a thing. I just know there are going to be videos and articles talking about "the Disney attraction that was so racist it had to be rethemed!". And people are still going to argue whether or not it was racist, whether or not retheming it was the right thing to do, and (likely) whether or not the retheme is a better attraction.

And if it's not arguing about Splash Mountain, it'll be about some other attraction that Disney decided to replace or alter claiming that they want to be "inclusive". There was lots of arguing over whether or not the "updates" to the Jungle Cruise and Roger Rabbit were needed, or whether or not Disney had good intentions when they did them. And, quite frankly, I am tired of it.

Okay, one more thing: there seems to be a lot of back and forth on here regarding Disney's intentions. One minute somebody's claiming it's about getting rid of the Brers and not about giving Tiana an attraction, the next somebody is claiming Disney's doing this because they love Tiana. Which is it?

 

[Californian Elitist]

Anyone down for tacos for dinner tonight?

 

[Midwest Elitist]

Anyone down for tacos for dinner tonight?

The Taco Bell by me closes early cause they don't have enough managers. I get that it's not real Mexican food, but technically I had tacos for lunch.

 

[BasiltheBatLord]

Anyone down for tacos for dinner tonight?

I had three at a buffet yesterday.