Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

[Model3 McQueen]

Unfortunately it’s unknown if that continued popularity is due only to the theme itself or the fact it’s a Disney flume ride in a Disney theme park. It’ll likely continue to be very popular without the SotS theme.

The upbeat soundtrack, especially all of the variations of zipadeedoodah, make a pretty compelling argument.

 

[Disney Irish]

The upbeat soundtrack, especially all of the variations of zipadeedoodah, make a pretty compelling argument.

Replace it would another upbeat soundtrack and it could be just as popular. Its a circular argument that goes no where. Basically it's very likely the attraction will remain popular no matter what, even with a different theme, just because its a Disney flume ride in a Disney Park.

 

[Kirby86]

The only way we will know if the attraction remains as popular after the retheming is if after the opening rush the average wait time is comparable to the current themes wait time. We can also compare average wait time to Tokyo Disneyland which won't be getting it.

 

[mickEblu]

Unfortunately it’s unknown if that continued popularity is due only to the theme itself or the fact it’s a Disney flume ride in a Disney theme park.

It’ll likely continue to be very popular without the SotS theme.

It also remains to be seen if people like the Disney theming at Disneyland or if they just like it because it’s a place that has rides, music and junk food.

But seriously it’s continued popularity is due to both it being superbly themed and that it’s a thrill/ flume ride. It will continue to be popular after the overlay because of the same reasons. It remains to be seen how good the theming will be but they have a good start thanks to Baxter n Co.

One thing is for sure- it’s continued popularity since reopening shows virtually nobody thinks the attraction is problematic. Including Disney.

 

[Disney Irish]

It also remains to be seen if people like the Disney theming at Disneyland or if they just like it because it’s a place that has rides, music and junk food.

Well to be honest, and I know you're just being silly here, but its probably a bit of both.... lol

But seriously it’s continued popularity is due to both it being superbly themed and that it’s a thrill/ flume ride. It will continue to be popular after the overlay because of the same reasons. It remains to be seen how good the theming will be but they have a good start thanks to Baxter n Co.

Yep I agree, its why its a circular argument.

One thing is for sure- it’s continued popularity since reopening shows virtually nobody thinks the attraction is problematic. Including Disney.

Well I don't know if we can say "for sure", but its definitely not on the forefront of any guests mind when they ride it. As for Disney, yes they still think its problematic as they are still moving forward with the retheme. But that they looked at the cost of the closure for 24+ months while they completed the design portion of the retheme versus keeping it running, and we see where they landed.

 

[mickEblu]

Well to be honest, and I know you're just being silly here, but its probably a bit of both.... lol


Yep I agree, its why its a circular argument.


Well I don't know if we can say "for sure", but its definitely not on the forefront of any guests mind when they ride it. As for Disney, yes they still think its problematic as they are still moving forward with the retheme. But that they looked at the cost of the closure for 24+ months while they completed the design portion of the retheme versus keeping it running, and we see where they landed.

Haha for sure it is a bit of both. I don’t think we can pinpoint to any one thing that makes a ride popular. It’s a combo of things to varying degrees.

Well it shows Disney doesn’t REALLY think it’s problematic or that they re all too concerned with any negative response from the media or fans from it being open with the park because the truth is nobody cares.

 

[wdrive]

Well I don't know if we can say "for sure", but its definitely not on the forefront of any guests mind when they ride it. As for Disney, yes they still think its problematic as they are still moving forward with the retheme. But that they looked at the cost of the closure for 24+ months while they completed the design portion of the retheme versus keeping it running, and we see where they landed.

If it really was that problematic it would have never reopened. Instead we have this apparent abhorrently racist ride operating every day around the globe.

 

[Disney Irish]

If it really was that problematic it would have never reopened. Instead we have this apparent abhorrently racist ride operating every day around the globe.

Agree to disagree....

 

[Model3 McQueen]

Replace it would another upbeat soundtrack and it could be just as popular. Its a circular argument that goes no where. Basically it's very likely the attraction will remain popular no matter what, even with a different theme, just because its a Disney flume ride in a Disney Park.

Zippadeedoodah is postive, catchy, magical, beautiful. When I hear the song I immediately think of Disneyland - I imagine it's the same for most people - It is a part of Disneyland DNA.

Another upbeat soundtrack may work in it's own way, but nothing in PATF comes even close.

Imagine replacing another legendary tune, yo ho yo ho from pirates, with how far i'll go from Moana - assuming POTC gets replaced with a Moana re-theme. People love Moana, and you could argue it'd still be a popular ride because it's a relaxing boat ride in the dark at Disneyland. It'd still be terrible.

Agree to disagree....

@wdrive has a point. If Splash is so evil and **cist, why is it still in operation today? Answer - Disney doesn't care, they want to further monetize their IP.

 

[Disney Irish]

Zippadeedoodah is postive, catchy, magical, beautiful. When I hear the song I immediately think of Disneyland - I imagine it's the same for most people - It is a part of Disneyland DNA.

Another upbeat soundtrack may work in it's own way, but nothing in PATF comes even close.

Imagine replacing another legendary tune, yo ho yo ho from pirates, with how far i'll go from Moana - assuming POTC gets replaced with a Moana re-theme. People love Moana, and you could argue it'd still be a popular ride because it's a relaxing boat ride in the dark at Disneyland. It'd still be terrible.

Its actually Disney's masterful marketing that got you to identify Zip with Disneyland, not specifically Splash. They used it all their marketing for decades. Had another song been more used in all Disney marketing and not Zip it would be that song that gets you to think of Disneyland.

Point is that another soundtrack can be used to create the same upbeat tempo as the Splash soundtrack. Maybe not invoking the same feelings you and other posters here personally get, but it can in others especially newer generations.

@wdrive has a point. If Splash is so evil and **cist, why is it still in operation today? Answer - Disney doesn't care, they want to further monetize their IP.

Again agree to disagree. The fact they are still planning on changing it is proof enough they care and still think its problematic. Just because it still runs today while they complete the design phase is only indication they are trying to walk both sides, the sides of fans that love Splash and the side of change. Had they just closed it down completely and had it sit for years while they complete the design phase would cause more uproar than anything to do with the change itself.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Its actually Disney's masterful marketing that got you to identify Zip with Disneyland, not specifically Splash. They used it all their marketing for decades. Had another song been more used in all Disney marketing and not Zip it would be that song that gets you to think of Disneyland.

Point is that another soundtrack can be used to create the same upbeat tempo as the Splash soundtrack. Maybe not invoking the same feelings you and other posters here personally get, but it can in others especially newer generations.


Again agree to disagree. The fact they are still planning on changing it is proof enough they care and still think its problematic. Just because it still runs today while they complete the design phase is only indication they are trying to walk both sides, the sides of fans that love Splash and the side of change. Had they just closed it down completely and had it sit for years while they complete the design phase would cause more uproar than anything to do with the change itself.

Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah was also a pop hit, and has dozens and dozens of pop recordings---It's so removed from its context. It's a smartly constructed song in the key of C that wildly lends itself to various arrangements and constructions. Yes, it's been very smartly marketed, yes, but don't discredit how well it was constructed in the first place.

they can call me when they've removed the Peter Pan songs, the Ballad of Davy Crockett, and the actual minstrel songs played in the Mickey cartoons on Main Street or throughout Frontierland. I can just say as a Native person, and as a marginalized person in general, that I am so tired of the ~performance~, not just from Disney, but in general. I am just tired of having our intelligence insulted. (And this bitterness isn't directed at you in any way, I am just mentally and emotionally exhausted)

 

[Model3 McQueen]

Its actually Disney's masterful marketing that got you to identify Zip with Disneyland, not specifically Splash. They used it all their marketing for decades. Had another song been more used in all Disney marketing and not Zip it would be that song that gets you to think of Disneyland.

Point is that another soundtrack can be used to create the same upbeat tempo as the Splash soundtrack. Maybe not invoking the same feelings you and other posters here personally get, but it can in others especially newer generations.


Again agree to disagree. The fact they are still planning on changing it is proof enough they care and still think its problematic. Just because it still runs today while they complete the design phase is only indication they are trying to walk both sides, the sides of fans that love Splash and the side of change. Had they just closed it down completely and had it sit for years while they complete the design phase would cause more uproar than anything to do with the change itself.

My personal love for the song is from hearing it in the esplanade, the multiple instrumentals (from my own searches), and of course from the grand finale of the brilliant splash mountain attraction. Not sure how much of that is from Disney's marketing but it's still a great song on it's own.

I don't believe modern Disney is capable of recapturing the special feeling of the track. If Dig a little deeper is the best they got, it's doomed to me.

Yeah true, it's a darned if they do darned if they don't scenario. But then they shouldn't have opened their dumb mouths to begin with until the idea was more mature. They were slimy and chicken-dung to announce it at a time the country was grieving and angry at a serious problem. Certainly not because singing happy animals were a social issue.

 

[Disney Irish]

Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah was also a pop hit, and has dozens and dozens of pop recordings---It's so removed from its context. It's a smartly constructed song in the key of C that wildly lends itself to various arrangements and constructions. Yes, it's been very smartly marketed, yes, but don't discredit how well it was constructed in the first place.

they can call me when they've removed the Peter Pan songs, the Ballad of Davy Crockett, and the actual minstrel songs played in the Mickey cartoons on Main Street or throughout Frontierland. I can just say as a Native person, and as a marginalized person in general, that I am so tired of the ~performance~, not just from Disney, but in general. I am just tired of having our intelligence insulted. (And this bitterness isn't directed at you in any way, I am just mentally and emotionally exhausted)

I'm not taking anything away from ZIp itself. Just that it was overly used in Disney marketing for years, specifically the Parks, and that is why it makes the poster think of Disneyland not because it was used in Splash.

 

[Disney Irish]

My personal love for the song is from hearing it in the esplanade, the multiple instrumentals (from my own searches), and of course from the grand finale of the brilliant splash mountain attraction. Not sure how much of that is from Disney's marketing but it's still a great song on it's own.

That is my point, it was used everywhere including commercials. Outside of Wish Upon a Star I don't think any other Disney song was used as much by Disney marketing.

I don't believe modern Disney is capable of recapturing the special feeling of the track. If Dig a little deeper is the best they got, it's doomed to me.

Well maybe they'll surprise you, who knows. Point is that its possible to match the same catchy upbeat tone in the retheme with another soundtrack. We'll see if they can do it or not.

Yeah true, it's a darned if they do darned if they don't scenario. But then they shouldn't have opened their dumb mouths to begin with until the idea was more mature. They were slimy and chicken-dung to announce it at a time the country was grieving and angry at a serious problem.

It would have been brought up eventually by others outside of Disney during that time. As everything from the past was being brought up from statues to flags, so a theme park attraction based on a particular movie was going to be brought up no matter what. So Disney was trying to get ahead and control the narrative.

Certainly not because singing happy animals were a social issue.

This has been discussed many times before in this thread. So I'm not going to rehashing that again. Suffice to say its not the singing animals that are the issue.

 

[Dear Prudence]

I'm not taking anything away from ZIp itself. Just that it was overly used in Disney marketing for years, specifically the Parks, and that is why it makes the poster think of Disneyland not because it was used in Splash.

Yeah, I re-read it this morning and figured out that that's what you meant. I have seen a lot of other folks (not you) try to imply/say that Zip wasn't a good song or that Splash wasn't an E-ticket premiere attraction as sort of this..bizarre revisionist history. I wonder if being an Oscar-winning song is another reason why it's been pushed so hard.

 

[Dear Prudence]

They were slimy and chicken-dung to announce it at a time the country was grieving and angry at a serious problem.

I am never going to forgive them for trying to exploit that man's m*rder for a theme park attraction they probably should have changed 10 years prior. It will never come across as exploitative, manipulative, and opportunistic, and it really makes me super uncomfortable how non-BIPOC act like this is the sun and the moon and the stars.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yeah, I re-read it this morning and figured out that that's what you meant. I have seen a lot of other folks (not you) try to imply/say that Zip wasn't a good song or that Splash wasn't an E-ticket premiere attraction as sort of this..bizarre revisionist history. I wonder if being an Oscar-winning song is another reason why it's been pushed so hard.

I'm sure a lot of that comes down to personal taste and again Disney's over use of the song in a lot of their marketing. To those people it could be just like It's a Small World, where once its stuck in your head its hard to get out and becomes like nails on a chalkboard.

 

[Brer Panther]

It would have been brought up eventually by others outside of Disney during that time. As everything from the past was being brought up from statues to flags, so a theme park attraction based on a particular movie was going to be brought up no matter what. So Disney was trying to get ahead and control the narrative.

Frederick Chambers' posting his idea for a retheme of the ride is what opened the floodgates. Unless you subscribe to the theory that Disney orchestrated the online campaign to get the attraction rethemed, he is directly responsible for this happening.

 

[Disney Irish]

Frederick Chambers' posting his idea for a retheme of the ride is what opened the floodgates. Unless you subscribe to the theory that Disney orchestrated the online campaign to get the attraction rethemed, he is directly responsible for this happening.

Sorry but this is just so wrong on some many levels, and has been stated as such many times in this very thread. To state this specific CM for posting his Armchair Imagineering idea on Twitter as being directly responsible for this change is to say that ANY Armchair Imagineer that posts any idea on the internet is directly responsible for future changes in the Parks.

 

[EagleScout610]

Frederick Chambers' posting his idea for a retheme of the ride is what opened the floodgates. Unless you subscribe to the theory that Disney orchestrated the online campaign to get the attraction rethemed, he is directly responsible for this happening.

Once again: Disney is doing this because Disney wants to.