Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

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"Heart stopping" and "Princess" don't go hand in hand Disney you incompetent doofuses.

I like the "Did you Know" blurb.

Splash Mountain boasts one of the world's tallest and sharpest flume drops standing 52.5ft, at a 47-degree angle. This drop makes it one of the fastest rides ever operated at a Disney Park. The little ones in your family will be scared to death! We really didn't think this one through.

 

[Brer Panther]

And, honestly, if this really was in the works for a year before the announcement, I think they probably would've figured out how they're going to pull this retheme off by now.

 

[Midwest Elitist]

I love how they make it sound as though the retheme has already happened. People reading that book sure are gonna be confused when they go on the ride and see Brer Rabbit instead of Tiana.

This is the problem with being insincere and whitewashing your own history.
exec 1: "LOL guys, we're going to just pretend current splash doesn't exist!"
exec 2: "But it does exi-"
exec 3: "Silence! Great idea exec 1! Song of the South has never existed! Also, be sure this conversation does not go over our 280 character limit! We are getting kinda clos"

 

[mickEblu]

I love how they make it sound as though the retheme has already happened. People reading that book sure are gonna be confused when they go on the ride and see Brer Rabbit instead of Tiana.

I’m confused- where does it say that book is something Disney put out?

 

[Mac Tonight]

This re-theme IS happening. Full stop.

You can argue the merits of it all you want, but can we please end this narrative that since Disney hasn't released an in-depth video walk-through of the new version yet, that somehow translates to, "it's cancelled"?

 

[Brer Panther]

This re-theme IS happening. Full stop.

You can argue the merits of it all you want, but can we please end this narrative that since Disney hasn't released an in-depth video walk-through of the new version yet, that somehow translates to, "it's cancelled"?

Then I hope Disney likes having financial problems, because blowing millions of dollars on a retheme of a highly themed and detailed ride during a pandemic isn't going to benefit them much profit-wise.

But yeah, I'm not going to believe the retheme is cancelled until we get solid proof. There's been so much back and forth with the rumors surrounding it that I don't know what to believe. My best guess is that the only chance this has of getting cancelled is if it keeps getting postponed until Chapek leaves and the new president goes "This isn't worth the amount of money it's gonna cost us. Let's just ditch the idea."

 

[mickEblu]

This re-theme IS happening. Full stop.

You can argue the merits of it all you want, but can we please end this narrative that since Disney hasn't released an in-depth video walk-through of the new version yet, that somehow translates to, "it's cancelled"?

I agree. Still holding out hope for a small miracle but I agree. I’m confused on if I’m missing a detail on that image everyone is talking about. Did Disney put that out?

 

[Dear Prudence]

They should have 1000% just ignored Splash entirely and focus on Pooh, since he is their biggest cash cow anyway, and the original version just became public domain. They should have asserted their dominance on the Pooh market.

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

I still think this retheme is very unlikely to be ever be formally “cancelled” even if the budget for it continues to be prolonged. I just don’t see them walking this back even if the philosophical pendulum shifts back a bit within the halls of TWDC.

Indefinitely shelved is certainly possible but it will always be a back burner WDI project. And Splash in its current form will thus continue to operate with minimal merchandising or PR fanfare as an attraction in dire need of repairs/TLC, possibly on an even more limited schedule as a seasonal attraction.

 

[Disney Irish]

Then I hope Disney likes having financial problems, because blowing millions of dollars on a retheme of a highly themed and detailed ride during a pandemic isn't going to benefit them much profit-wise.

Um, you do realize this is the main reason why it hasn't moved forward yet right? All projects that weren't already under construction when the Pandemic hit were put on hold so they don't "blow Millions on a retheme". That is where the rumors of "it must have been cancelled" came from when there was never any REAL indication it was cancelled at all.

So now that Disney is on better footing financially speaking I expect we'll start hearing more about this especially at D23 later this year.

 

[Brer Panther]

Um, you do realize this is the main reason why it hasn't moved forward yet right? All projects that weren't already under construction when the Pandemic hit were put on hold so they don't "blow Millions on a retheme". That is where the rumors of "it must have been cancelled" came from when there was never any REAL indication it was cancelled at all.

So now that Disney is on better footing financially speaking I expect we'll start hearing more about this especially at D23 later this year.

Weren't a good chunk of projects cancelled to fund the retheme?

 

[Disney Irish]

Weren't a good chunk of projects cancelled to fund the retheme?

Not to my knowledge. Where did you hear that?

 

[Mac Tonight]

Just my two cents, but what I think the "problem" with this whole thing is/was, is that they announced it at the wrong time (2020 societal pressure, pandemic, etc.), when it was still relatively early in it's idea infancy. Even with the parks being closed and it being an ideal time to start a re-theme, the scope of such an undertaking meant they simply weren't ready, or financially stable enough, to hit the ground running, hence why Splash is still operating daily.

Now, as things are finally starting to steer back towards "normalcy", everyone is clamoring for "proof" that things are still happening, when 99% of the work is still being handled behind closed doors and in Zoom meetings. I know its frustrating only being given a few bits of concept art here and there... and a "round table discussion" that didn't really give away new information... but that's just the reality of the situation.

 

[smooch]

In the end I really don't think Disney will generate enough revenue off of increased PatF merch sales or whatever to justify the cost of retheming this attraction, or at least the cost of retheming it well. They could not touch the rockwork / major foundational parts and change out AAs, put in screens, and change parts of the scenes and call it a day. Obviously that's an oversimplification but you guys have voiced the same concern about the quality of the retheme, you know what I'm getting at. For them to properly redo the interior of the mountain to look good as a bayou environment that will take so much work and money that I hope eventually they just put it on the backburner for a very long time. But Disney tends to spend too much money on lackluster projects and try to convince the world along with themselves that they knocked it out of the park and created something better than anything Walt Disney could have ever created.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Um, you do realize this is the main reason why it hasn't moved forward yet right? All projects that weren't already under construction when the Pandemic hit were put on hold so they don't "blow Millions on a retheme". That is where the rumors of "it must have been cancelled" came from when there was never any REAL indication it was cancelled at all.

So now that Disney is on better footing financially speaking I expect we'll start hearing more about this especially at D23 later this year.

Disney has more money than God, the only major player they do not own is Microsoft, they've never not been on good financial footing. They may cry about losses, but they still own everything. That's honestly all a performance.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

Disney has more money than God, the only major player they do not own is Microsoft, they've never not been on good financial footing. They may cry about losses, but they still own everything. That's honestly all a performance.

That's not true. If they had that much money then they never would have moved all those people to Florida or fired all those castmembers. Do you have any idea how much money the Catholic Church brings in a year?? Pssssh. Disney wishes it could have the money God does.

 

[Disney Irish]

Disney has more money than God, the only major player they do not own is Microsoft, they've never not been on good financial footing. They may cry about losses, but they still own everything. That's honestly all a performance.

Just because they may seem to "have" money doesn't mean they are going to just spend it during a Pandemic, survival is priority. In reality it would have been financially foolish, not to mention the stock market would have crushed them, if they had started new multi-million dollar projects while laying off 35K CMs in the middle of a pandemic. Its the reason why projects got stopped or put on-hold where money hadn't already been spent on construction.

Had the Park closures and movie/tv production being stopped had gone on longer than they did there were real fears in the markets on whether Disney would survive or not. Disney literally had to take on $11 Billion in debt in order to pay bills during 2020. When you're losing Billions during a Pandemic and having to take on that much debt you aren't on a good financial footing.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Just because they may seem to "have" money doesn't mean they are going to just spend it during a Pandemic, survival is priority. In reality it would have been financially foolish, not to mention the stock market would have crushed them, if they had started new multi-million dollar projects while laying off 35K CMs in the middle of a pandemic. Its the reason why projects got stopped or put on-hold where money hadn't already been spent on construction.

Had the Park closures and movie/tv production being stopped had gone on longer than they did there were real fears in the markets on whether Disney would survive or not. Disney literally had to take on $11 Billion in debt in order to pay bills during 2020. When you're losing Billions during a Pandemic and having to take on that much debt you aren't on a good financial footing.

I am just having flashbacks to being high school and not having food, and my friend who lived in an expensive gated community and drove a BMW her parents gifted her telling me her parents had no money.

 

[Disney Irish]

I am just having flashbacks to being high school and not having food, and my friend who lived in an expensive gated community and drove a BMW her parents gifted her telling me her parents had no money.

Again just because they may "seem" to have money doesn't mean they do.

Having sold mortgages at one point in my life I can tell you that people can "seem" wealthy while hiding they are a paycheck or two away from losing it all.

One of the biggest issues with Disney came to light during the Pandemic, they have too much exposure to "in-person" entertainment. While we Parks and Studio Fans think that is a good thing, its a bad thing when a Pandemic hits and forces everyone to stay home. Disney's literal money making machines were shutdown for an extended period of time. No theme parks, no movies, nothing, they had nothing in those businesses bringing in money. It is literally a house of cards that would have fell. Had it not been for Disney+ its very possible the company wouldn't have survived.

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

Just because they may seem to "have" money doesn't mean they are going to just spend it during a Pandemic, survival is priority. In reality it would have been financially foolish, not to mention the stock market would have crushed them, if they had started new multi-million dollar projects while laying off 35K CMs in the middle of a pandemic. Its the reason why projects got stopped or put on-hold where money hadn't already been spent on construction.

Had the Park closures and movie/tv production being stopped had gone on longer than they did there were real fears in the markets on whether Disney would survive or not. Disney literally had to take on $11 Billion in debt in order to pay bills during 2020. When you're losing Billions during a Pandemic and having to take on that much debt you aren't on a good financial footing.

Hence why I’d argue given these financial constraints and varying degrees of unknowns at the time it was unwise to announce this in summer 2020 to begin with unless it was specifically designed as a way to give a boost to certain resumes of retiring executives at an opportune time and/or chasing cheap social media hits in the aftermath of a man’s murder.

And I say this as someone who supports the retheme since I do not personally think SoTS can survive as a “legacy family franchise” since the sum societal benefit of keeping the film and its characters in circulation is not greater than its (arguably strong) individual parts.