Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

No Name

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Who is that guy anyway and why is he credible ?
In my opinion he’s not. He’s never said anything we don’t already know, he just makes some vague but decent predictions and observations. The problem is he tries so hard to get the kind of credit and attention that Martin or Spirit do, and then acts all immature whenever he doesn’t, which only works against him.
 

Brer Panther

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In my opinion he’s not. He’s never said anything we don’t already know, he just makes some vague but decent predictions and observations. The problem is he tries so hard to get the kind of credit and attention that Martin or Spirit do, and then acts all immature whenever he doesn’t, which only works against him.
There are so many "insiders" on this site, I have no idea what to believe and what not to believe.
 

CaptinEO

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With a few rare exceptions (I'm actually struggling to think of one, but I'm deep in vacation mode this week so my brain is fuzzy and I'm sure someone smarter than me can come up with an example), not since Walt have creative attraction ideas been mandated from the top. Sometimes senior park executives like a Richard Nunis would request a specific type of ride; a coaster, a water ride, a dark ride, etc. as part of a park's development process. But that was about as involved as they get in the creative process.

The halls of WDI's Glendale campus are full of ideas; some long abandoned and forgotten, some strung along on life support by sheer will, and some just beginning to percolate into something great. Or maybe something dumb. You never know 'til you try.

That's the entire business model of WDI. They are all constantly looking for an idea to hit big and get picked up by at least one park. That's what keeps them all working week to week and making Tesla payments, waiting for a creative concept to get greenlit and funded by a park property that then guarantees them work for a couple years.



Agreed. It's your #2 that is the most interesting to me. Apparently the log ride isn't as problematic and racist as they claim, or else they would have the backbone to do away with the ride capacity for a few years until it can be remade into Tiana's Bayou Bash N' Splash, Presented by Ziploc.

Granted, the Tiana remake was very early in its design process when it was grabbed off the shelf so Burbank could pacify the Twitter Mobs. But especially at Disneyland where there's over a dozen other E Tickets operating in that park, with an extra half dozen E Tickets operating right next door, the decision to keep this "problematic" ride operating seems... well, problematic.
I always greatly enjoy your posts and stories. That's actually really great that WDI is always developing new ideas and concepts independently.

In terms of movies/synergy does WDI end up having to pitch rides based on movies to sell their ideas? Or does the attachment of a property come after the fact?

As for Teslas, no way in heck would I waste money on an expensive car that would only degrade in value.

I totally agree, if the ride isn't inclusive as Disney stated, how can they in good faith keep it running? Clearly they don't actually give a care and just want money. I don't understand their decision making at all.

I did keep my Splash Mountain zip loc bags which were given away to millions of people the same year Disney did away with plastic lids and straws to save the environment...
 

1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

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I always greatly enjoy your posts and stories. That's actually really great that WDI is always developing new ideas and concepts independently.

In terms of movies/synergy does WDI end up having to pitch rides based on movies to sell their ideas? Or does the attachment of a property come after the fact?

As for Teslas, no way in heck would I waste money on an expensive car that would only degrade in value.

I totally agree, if the ride isn't inclusive as Disney stated, how can they in good faith keep it running? Clearly they don't actually give a care and just want money. I don't understand their decision making at all.

I did keep my Splash Mountain zip loc bags which were given away to millions of people the same year Disney did away with plastic lids and straws to save the environment...
All cars degrade in value the minute you drive them off the lot.
 

CaptinEO

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All cars degrade in value the minute you drive them off the lot.
Exactly, which is why, as a person who was never into cars, I'd never be able to justify buying an expensive thing that gets more worthless as time goes on.

I'd much rather use that money to pay off my mortgage earlier or invest it. I know a lot of people who I work with that make good money but live in apartments (that they are renting) or with their parents but have a Tesla...
 

1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

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Exactly, which is why, as a person who was never into cars, I'd never be able to justify buying an expensive thing that gets more worthless as time goes on.

I'd much rather use that money to pay off my mortgage earlier or invest it. I know a lot of people who I work with that make good money but live in apartments (that they are renting) or with their parents but have a Tesla...
I get ya point now.
 

CaptinEO

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I get ya point now.
It's interesting because America wasn't really into the materialistic/show off culture for a while and it was looked down upon to brag.

I noticed in recent years due to social media it is now totally acceptable to brag and show off your brand new car.

You see lots of people that feel pressured into buying something "showy" for this reason.
 

1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

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It's interesting because America wasn't really into the materialistic/show off culture for a while and it was looked down upon to brag.

I noticed in recent years due to social media it is now totally acceptable to brag and show off your brand new car.

You see lots of people that feel pressured into buying something "showy" for this reason.
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CaptinEO

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Yeah that never made sense. But they were the new sponsor and that's what they come up with. Not disney.
Ah, I assumed Disney would have some type of control over what their sponsors do, I know Disney employees were handing out the bags when I was their, not zip loc.

Not that it bothered me but it did showcase a hypocritical move for the company.
 

SuddenStorm

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Hmm... I think both versions will have the current sets stripped out entirely and replaced.

The art design between the two movies is different. They're not going to be able to reuse much of any of the sets on either coast.

About the only thing I imagine we'll see return in a recognizable form is the rollicking showboat in the finale' scene, but with different color scheme and aesthetics.

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I know I've said this before- but it's absolutely mind boggling to me that this scene will soon no longer exist at Disneyland. I mean, how much more 'Disney' can you get?

It uses character designs done by Marc Davis and sculpted by Blaine Gibson. With a song that's beat only by "When You Wish Upon a Star" in terms of enduring relevance to the Disney brand- a song that was still heavily featured in area music, parades, and other entertainment in the park until March 2020.

If this Tiana ride doesn't knock it out of the park and somehow outdo Splash Mountain it's going to be a major loss for Disneyland. And honestly, I don't think any of the songs in Princess and the Frog get any play outside of a few niche circumstances- I know the movie has its fans but I'm not sure the soundtrack can beat Splash Mountain's, especially Zip a Dee Doo Dah.
 

mickEblu

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I know I've said this before- but it's absolutely mind boggling to me that this scene will soon no longer exist at Disneyland. I mean, how much more 'Disney' can you get?

It uses character designs done by Marc Davis and sculpted by Blaine Gibson. With a song that's beat only by "When You Wish Upon a Star" in terms of enduring relevance to the Disney brand- a song that was still heavily featured in area music, parades, and other entertainment in the park until March 2020.

If this Tiana ride doesn't knock it out of the park and somehow outdo Splash Mountain it's going to be a major loss for Disneyland. And honestly, I don't think any of the songs in Princess and the Frog get any play outside of a few niche circumstances- I know the movie has its fans but I'm not sure the soundtrack can beat Splash Mountain's, especially Zip a Dee Doo Dah.

Splash’s soundtrack will be impossibile to beat and will be sorely missed. But if I had to pick any soundtrack or existing IP to go into Splash it would be PatF.

It could be much worse. Zootopia or Pocahontas or something.
 

Brer Panther

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It's gonna be so glaringly obvious that the ride was once Splash Mountain. You're gonna be on it and think, "Okay, that's where Brer Fox and Brer Bear were, that's where Brer Rabbit was, that's where Brer Bear's butt was..."
 

EagleScout610

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It's gonna be so glaringly obvious that the ride was once Splash Mountain. You're gonna be on it and think, "Okay, that's where Brer Fox and Brer Bear were, that's where Brer Rabbit was, that's where Brer Bear's butt was..."
I have faith they can change California enough to avoid that. Orlando that will be inevitable
 

Markiewong

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Okay, okay, okay. You've made your point. But none of those ideas were posted on Twitter and gained as much publicity and traction as Chambers' idea did.

This also doesn't change the fact that Disney initially brushed off The Princess and the Frog as a flop. And now they're suddenly retheming a popular E-Ticket to it?

That's what I'm saying. The retheme announcement was in response to people demanding the ride be rethemed.


Even if it wasn't technically a flop, Disney still treated it as one. For them to do that, ignore it for a decade, and then suddenly use it as a weapon against Brer Rabbit feels incredibly hypocritical.
To be fair, when the retheme was announced in June 2020 Disney Animation was already working on a Disney+ series (it got announced in december of that year).
Disney is def giving POTF a second chance.
 

_caleb

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I totally agree, if the ride isn't inclusive as Disney stated, how can they in good faith keep it running? Clearly they don't actually give a care and just want money. I don't understand their decision making at all.
Why do you frame it as either:
  1. Splash is not a problem at all and should stay the same forever, or
  2. Splash is a huge problem that Disney is hypocritical to keep open even one more day?
Can’t it just be something Disney wants to change and they’re working on it? Why approach “inclusion” as either 100% or 0%?
 

mickEblu

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It's gonna be so glaringly obvious that the ride was once Splash Mountain. You're gonna be on it and think, "Okay, that's where Brer Fox and Brer Bear were, that's where Brer Rabbit was, that's where Brer Bear's butt was..."

I’d rather have that than them gut it. The less they touch the better in my book.
 

D.Silentu

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PatF’s soundtrack is much better.
This is something that has me optimistic about the ride's remake. Splash has always been a musical attraction, something Disney doesn't do much these days. When the dust settles, the ride will remain musical with an excellent score to source. Incidentally, much as I like Dr. John, the choral arrangement of "Down in New Orleans," used for Disneyland's mini show promoting the movie, feels like it would be right at home in the new ride.

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Brer Panther

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I will agree that The Princess and the Frog has some great songs. It's never been about the movie when it comes to my problems with the retheme for me.
To be fair, when the retheme was announced in June 2020 Disney Animation was already working on a Disney+ series (it got announced in december of that year).
Disney is def giving POTF a second chance.
Unless we get some proof that the Disney+ series was in production before the retheme was announced, the series could've been in response to the retheme (I recall somebody saying that Disney wanted series on Disney+ to match up to attractions in the parks).
 

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