Theme Park Think Tank with Len

Animaniac93-98

Animaniac93-98

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doctornick said:
We're hoping you'll tell us?

Seriously, there's got to be plans for something beyond 2022, right? I can't imagine they'll let Universal go and build an entire new park without having something themselves to promote.
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Maybe they'll bring back the Pirates and Princess Party fireworks like they did in 2010 to distract people from Harry Potter's grand opening? ;)
 
lentesta

lentesta

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DHSfanatic said:
Uh oh. I'm assuming from this comment that there's not much in the pipeline. Any previously announced projects still likely--Mary Poppins in the UK pavilion? Main Street Theater?
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That's the thing: We know Tron and Guardians are in line for 2022 because they've been working on them for years.

Anything big that's coming in 2023 should've been started in 2019.
Anything big that's coming in 2024 should've been started in 2020.
Anything big that's coming in 2025 should've been started in 2021.

I think at the pace Disney works, we're not likely to see anything major for a while after Tron/Guardians. Maybe they'll hold off opening one of them until 2023, just to have something to announce.
 
Ninja Mom

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DisneyDave71 said:
I agree, and we are super excited about the new attractions. I didn’t word it properly - it was in reference to Len‘s comments in the podcast that if wait times are monetized there would be less incentive to build new attractions in the future.
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The one thing that really stands out to me is the constant erosion over the last couple of years of the entertainment found in the parks. Now, because of Covid, you have Disney dragging their feet with the return of attractions that would absorb more people. Yes, other theme parks have problems, but none are as restricted as Disney has been IMHO. Compare Universal's commitment to putting on their full Halloween Horror Nights event and Disney's anemic, overpriced, Boo Bash piece of garbage.

When Disney could have been getting their act together like the rest of the theme park community, they keep making the covid excuse and dragging their feet.

This continuing reduction of entertainment options in the parks dovetails nicely with inflating wait times in lines for the other existing attractions and thus squeezing people into considering paid fast pass.

I sincerely doubt that Disney lacks the ability to plan ahead and anticipate what needs to be done to get back up and running at full capacity. Again, We are seeing other theme parks that are committed to making this happen. What I'm seeing is their refusal to pay market wages to get their staffing levels on board with the knowledge that they can monetize all their shortfalls by providing guests with an opportunity to pay to bypass the problems that Disney is actually creating with their theme parks and resort experiences.

I really feel that after this initial rush back to the parks, More people are going to comprehend that a Disney vacation is not worth the money that you're being asked to spend, and that the constant nickel and diming, and scheduling conniptions are a huge turn off. Just look at how many forum Disney Defenders are starting to wake up and smell the coffee.

~NM
 
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allknowingeye

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Poseidon Quest said:
Haven't listened to the podcast, but I take the point. We all here see the major issues with the parks and how Chapek is the single consistent factor in their decline. Ultimately, I think Disney can keep doing what they're doing because there's this weird cultural phenomenon where people come regardless of quality. The parks ride off of a reputation that is long gone and the rubes just eat it up.

That being said, I think Disney will manage to find itself in trouble within the next few years. The narrative keeps shifting towards more enjoyable Universal vacations, and when Epic Universe opens and continues to expand with a slate of new hotels, I have a feeling Disney is going to lose a lot of market share. Inevitably, the company will have to either change course or just simply continue to lose out.
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I'd suggest reading this editorial that seems to be expressing what a lot of people are feeling about this:
 
allknowingeye

allknowingeye

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lentesta said:
That's the thing: We know Tron and Guardians are in line for 2022 because they've been working on them for years.

Anything big that's coming in 2023 should've been started in 2019.
Anything big that's coming in 2024 should've been started in 2020.
Anything big that's coming in 2025 should've been started in 2021.

I think at the pace Disney works, we're not likely to see anything major for a while after Tron/Guardians. Maybe they'll hold off opening one of them until 2023, just to have something to announce.
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There is some big competition coming in a few years that isn't just so much Chapek bs like D23 clearly is, and that is Universal EPIC that could change the Orlando scene in a big way if there is no response for Disney. That CANNOT just let that go unchallenged.
 
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skypilot2922

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allknowingeye said:
There is some big competition coming in a few years that isn't just so much Chapek bs like D23 clearly is, and that is Universal EPIC that could change the Orlando scene in a big way if there is no response for Disney. That CANNOT just let that go unchallenged.
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Disney will let Epic Universe go unchallenged, thats because the Bobs believe they are a Blue Ocean company with no competition in their market.

Go look up ‘Blue Ocean’ and you will see all the Bob’s actions fit neatly with that business philosophy.
 
allknowingeye

allknowingeye

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skypilot2922 said:
Disney will let Epic Universe go unchallenged, thats because the Bobs believe they are a Blue Ocean company with no competition in their market.

Go look up ‘Blue Ocean’ and you will see all the Bob’s actions fit neatly with that business philosophy.
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I know what it is, but it is delusional to think that. Competition is very real, even if he might pretend otherwise.
 
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skypilot2922 said:
Disney will let Epic Universe go unchallenged
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I don't think it's going "unchallenged". The two companies are taking somewhat different paths. There are a few new (call them E, call them D) attractions - in Ratatouille, Tron, and Cosmic Rewind getting ready. You've got Galactic Cruiser coming soon. The recent CSR upgrade, along with the recent Riviera add, and the soon to be Swolphin boutique hotel. Plus whatever remains from the EPCOT upgrade, etc. This coming off of a massive Downtown Disney (Disney Marketplace, Pleasure Island, or whatever you want to call it) overhaul and TSL and SWGE build (Not saying those couldn't have been done better - but they did invest).

EPIC adds a bit (and as an AP of both I'm happy to see that happen). But if Disney adds a ride or a land vs Uni adding a hotel or a park, or a ride - or vice versa - doesn't mean things are going "unchallenged".
 
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bustamelon

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I feel like @lentesta is my long-lost brother from another mother. I loved his Unofficial Guides, and the mix of humor/realism/love for WDW expressed within. Having listened to the podcast, I like him even more. We agree on pretty much everything they covered. And I thought the same thing about Joe Rhode quitting because of the lack of pushback among imagineers.
 
Animaniac93-98

Animaniac93-98

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lentesta said:
That's the thing: We know Tron and Guardians are in line for 2022 because they've been working on them for years.

Anything big that's coming in 2023 should've been started in 2019.
Anything big that's coming in 2024 should've been started in 2020.
Anything big that's coming in 2025 should've been started in 2021.

I think at the pace Disney works, we're not likely to see anything major for a while after Tron/Guardians. Maybe they'll hold off opening one of them until 2023, just to have something to announce.
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Frog Mountain is coming. We know they'll market that as a "new" ride.
 

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