October82
Well-Known Member
I think everyone realizes the federal government doesn’t do much of anything. They can and should create the environment to allow things to get done by people who actually know what they are doing. That’s capitalism. Trump and the admin get some credit for creating that environment if for no other reason than they were in charge. They also rightfully get SOME blame, but not to the extent we’ve seen.
There are two separate questions that are being conflated here. One of which is about policy to mitigate the harms of the virus, the other concerns manufacturing, distribution, and basic research. The Trump administration instituted policies that were in line with the rest of the world in terms of manufacturing and distribution. The basic research that led these vaccines to be developed had little to do with the Trump administration, and more to do with basic R&D over several decades. The policy failures (or successes) of the Trump administration to mitigate the spread of the virus are well known, and noting that they did some things right simply doesn't address those broader issues. They're just different topics.
*I should clarify my phrasing, I didn't mean to suggest that the federal government didn't do anything here. It was decades of basic R&D support and work by NIAID/BARDA that put us in a position to be able to develop a vaccine to a SARS or MERS like virus. The BioNTech and Moderna vaccines rely on new technologies are even bigger achievements of basic research. The current administration simply had little or nothing to do with any of this. The same is true of previous administrations and will be true of future ones.
If you want the US to lead on vaccine development, please ask your representatives to support funding for basic research. It's the overwhelming reason we have ended up with a successful vaccine.
The comment about lab coats emphasizes that those people are merely advisors to elected officials. They haven’t been elected by anyone to make decisions and elected officials have to make decisions based on MANY factors, several of which have nothing to do with science.
Any good doctor wants to save lives. They have an oath to “do no harm,” but the President and our elected officials have to live in reality and make decisions that are harder than “save every life possible.”
If we ran the world based on saving every single life, we wouldn’t fly planes, drive cars, or do much of anything. Policy has to be the greatest good for the greatest number. This means saving every life is not a real solution to a more complex problem, ignoring that we actually don’t know how to save every life in this situation.
I agree with you that policy is about more than the basic scientific facts. But science is not just biology, chemistry and physics. There are scientific answers to these policy questions, and I want the people who do that kind of science to be making the decisions. I'm not interested in a political debate, but the simple fact was that the Trump administration did not engage in a policy response to the Covid-19 pandemic that was in line with the consensus of the scientists whose job it is to answer questions like "how do we save the most lives with the least damage to the economy?" It's a problem when politics comes before science. When simple, popular, and convenient answers are substituted for the hard and unpopular ones.
All American companies have worldwide influence. Anyone who helped Pfizer in the process gets full credit.
The vaccine was developed by BioNTech, Pfizer is the manufacturing partner. BioNTech is a German company run by Turkish immigrants. BioNTech was funded by the EU and the German government while Pfizer only received late stage funds from the US government to support manufacturing. To be clear, none of this is meant to detract from the accomplishments or hard work that American scientists did here. There's plenty of credit to go around, even for the vaccines that have failed. The point here is to highlight that this is a global scientific achievement that we should all be celebrating, not one that should be turned into further political fodder.
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