The worst decision WDW ever made?

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
This is bugging me. A LOT
Horizons closed due to their being a sink hole forming beneath it. The building was basically collapsing and they had no choice but to close it. When they replaced it with mission space, they fixed the sink hole problem. Even though mission space SUCKS.
Avatar does not fit Disney. It's going to fail. Probably. Hopefully. Beastly Kingdom. Please.
The FP+ doesn't work.
Park feels kinda too much for kids. Needs to appeal to adults in more areas. For example, roller coasters. Please?

Frozen might fail... To be honest.. In 10-20 years they are really gonna regret avatar and frozen stuff.
Doubtful
Fifteen years old is not an adult. Most adults could care less about rollercoasters.
 

Matt_Black

Well-Known Member
Do not believe everything you read on the internet.

Including the above statement. Wait...

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POLY LOVER

Well-Known Member
Disney needs new rides and parks.... That is the bottom line... Not much to do at AK and MGM.... MK is for kids... Epcot needs more.... Disney has become stale and needs a new park and 10 good rides...


they need to fix what they have let run down, to move on to another new park and not fix what they have will be a mistake. Another new park will just fall into the same syndrome as the ones they have now. They need to reevaluate their park model and philosphy and fast.
 

Launchpad McQuack

Well-Known Member
Avatar does not fit Disney. It's going to fail. Probably. Hopefully. Beastly Kingdom. Please.

Why, as a WDW fan/customer, would you WANT something to fail? Wouldn't it be better to look at it like "I'm not interested in that franchise/IP, but I hope Disney can incorporate it into the parks in a way that will be fun"? I use this example a lot: My wife has never seen a Star Wars movie. I tried to get her to a while back, but she wanted to watch something else instead (she has said she will finally watch them before the new land opens in DHS, though). However, she likes Star Tours. She thinks it's a fun attraction. The other, better example is this: Probably 90% (and that's a conservative estimate) of the people in Magic Kingdom on a given day haven't seen Song of the South. Probably 50% (also a VERY conservative estimate) don't know it's the basis of Splash Mountain. However, people LOVE Splash Mountain because it's a fun attraction with a great theme/atmosphere.
 

disneyflush

Well-Known Member
From present day:
Lowering food quality.
Removing so many unique drinks and dishes while 'standardizing' the menu across the resort.
The speed and rate of price increases on all things WDW-related
Stubborn inability to handle crowds through increasing the number of rides

From 15 years in the future:
Building and selling DVC units in quantities that the infrastructure of the parks has been unable to accommodate comfortably.
Front-of-the-line passes being sold to Deluxe Resort Guests and DVC owners which has created line challenges galore for the CMs and frustration from guests.
 

Matt_Black

Well-Known Member
Why, as a WDW fan/customer, would you WANT something to fail? Wouldn't it be better to look at it like "I'm not interested in that franchise/IP, but I hope Disney can incorporate it into the parks in a way that will be fun"? I use this example a lot: My wife has never seen a Star Wars movie. I tried to get her to a while back, but she wanted to watch something else instead (she has said she will finally watch them before the new land opens in DHS, though). However, she likes Star Tours. She thinks it's a fun attraction. The other, better example is this: Probably 90% (and that's a conservative estimate) of the people in Magic Kingdom on a given day haven't seen Song of the South. Probably 50% (also a VERY conservative estimate) don't know it's the basis of Splash Mountain. However, people LOVE Splash Mountain because it's a fun attraction with a great theme/atmosphere.

My sister has never seen an episode of the Twilight Zone (this New Year's I'm going to her apartment, tying her down to a chair, and setting the TV to SyFy's annual marathon), but that hasn't stopped TOT from being one of her favorites.
 

Chef Mickey

Well-Known Member
From present day:
Lowering food quality.
Removing so many unique drinks and dishes while 'standardizing' the menu across the resort.
The speed and rate of price increases on all things WDW-related
Stubborn inability to handle crowds through increasing the number of rides

From 15 years in the future:
Building and selling DVC units in quantities that the infrastructure of the parks has been unable to accommodate comfortably.
Front-of-the-line passes being sold to Deluxe Resort Guests and DVC owners which has created line challenges galore for the CMs and frustration from guests.
This is all Iger's margin squeeze. It's sad too because it impacts things big and small.

Instead of a unique experience, you get a more standardized, cookie cutter experience with the margin squeezed out of every point of sale.
 

POLY LOVER

Well-Known Member
This is all Iger's margin squeeze. It's sad too because it impacts things big and small.

Instead of a unique experience, you get a more standardized, cookie cutter experience with the margin squeezed out of every point of sale.

I have been bashed for stating this in the past but the truth is exactly as you have stated. As this continues guests will realize one day the Magic is just not there anymore.
It will be all of these little changes that will cause it. We will become just another theme park.
Believe me I want to be wrong but I fear I will be correct.

When you charge premium prices for a product any product there has to be justification by the consumer for paying it. You need to leave the experience saying IT WAS WORTH IT.
 

rkleinlein

Well-Known Member
I shake my head every time they close down a good attraction only to replace it with something that in most cases is not much better and in many cases is decidedly worse. Think Mr. Toad, Snow White in the first category and Alien Encounter and just about everything in Epcot in the latter.

A recent example is getting rid of Maelstrom and replacing it with Frozen. Maelstrom was good, especially when compared to the other attractions in Epcot. Why not just ADD a Frozen attraction? It's not like they don't have plenty of room and it's not like building new is that much more expensive than gutting and completely retooling an existing space. Especially since Epcot desperately needs more attractions.

That and the cheap and ugly value hotels.
 
Doubtful
Fifteen years old is not an adult. Most adults could care less about rollercoasters.
I know, I'm 15 and I don't have a say. But it depends on what age. 20s to 40s is different. Most adults I know enjoy roller coasters a lot. Why do you think rockin roller coaster is always packed?
 
Why, as a WDW fan/customer, would you WANT something to fail? Wouldn't it be better to look at it like "I'm not interested in that franchise/IP, but I hope Disney can incorporate it into the parks in a way that will be fun"? I use this example a lot: My wife has never seen a Star Wars movie. I tried to get her to a while back, but she wanted to watch something else instead (she has said she will finally watch them before the new land opens in DHS, though). However, she likes Star Tours. She thinks it's a fun attraction. The other, better example is this: Probably 90% (and that's a conservative estimate) of the people in Magic Kingdom on a given day haven't seen Song of the South. Probably 50% (also a VERY conservative estimate) don't know it's the basis of Splash Mountain. However, people LOVE Splash Mountain because it's a fun attraction with a great theme/atmosphere.
Okay, I used poor wording there, I admit. I enjoy the Disney theme parks and they are a major part in my life. I personally just do not support this decision. It does not fit the theme park. I just personally wish they had decided to build the beastly kingdom. I wrote that half asleep, and in my mind, I was thinking maybe if it failed they replace it or something. I apologize.
 

AdventureHasAName

Well-Known Member
This is bugging me. A LOT
Horizons closed due to their being a sink hole forming beneath it. The building was basically collapsing and they had no choice but to close it. When they replaced it with mission space, they fixed the sink hole problem.

This is an old myth that has circulated for close to a decade, but is factually incorrect. There was a sinkhole in that area of the park, but it was on the other side of the Avenue of the Stars (the east side) and had no effect on the structural soundness of the Horizons building whatsoever. Horizons was destroyed because GE ended it's sponsorship and Disney couldn't get anyone to sponsor the attraction, while they had Compaq ready to sponsor a new space-themed attraction - no other reason. If Disney had just decided to leave the attraction sponsorless (like 90% of all WDW attractions), it would still be there.

I have always assumed that the sinkhole myth is a product of the frontline EPCOT employees hearing there was a sinkhole in the area (which there kinda, sorta was), seeing Horizons destroyed without explanation, and speculating that must have been the reason the attraction was removed (rather than the true explanation which is: Disney was being cheap and didn't appreciate what they had at the time).
 
This is an old myth that has circulated for close to a decade, but is factually incorrect. There was a sinkhole in that area of the park, but it was on the other side of the Avenue of the Stars (the east side) and had no effect on the structural soundness of the Horizons building whatsoever. Horizons was destroyed because GE ended it's sponsorship and Disney couldn't get anyone to sponsor the attraction, while they had Compaq ready to sponsor a new space-themed attraction - no other reason. If Disney had just decided to leave the attraction sponsorless (like 90% of all WDW attractions), it would still be there.

I have always assumed that the sinkhole myth is a product of the frontline EPCOT employees hearing there was a sinkhole in the area (which there kinda, sorta was), seeing Horizons destroyed without explanation, and speculating that must have been the reason the attraction was removed (rather than the true explanation which is: Disney was being cheap and didn't appreciate what they had at the time).
Okay thanks. Mission Space was also a terrible replacement and a GIANT WASTE of their money and time!!!
 

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