The War Is Over.. Congrats Roy Disney

[Rayray]

Some comic relief for this thread.

Yo ho Yo ho a CEO's life for me.

We pillage, we plunder, we loot all the stock.
Cut up the budgets, yo ho.
Double my pay?, I'll give it a shot.
Cut up the budgets, yo ho.

Yo ho Yo ho a CEO's life for me.

Just a joke (or is it?).:lol:

 

[peter11435]

And what is Eisner only interested in? You say Roy is only interested in money? Fair and balanced buddy.. Eisner is only interested in feeding his own ego no matter who he steps on... So, if your argument is Roy is a no good individual, then Eisner has to rate up there as a pathetic human being as well... No matter what each did or didn't do for the company...

You are absolutely right. Eisner too is only intereste4d in money. That’s the point they are both in it for the same reason regardless of how you look it. Roy is no better than Eisner in that respect.

 

[peter11435]

Okay. And?

His point is that most of the success of WDFA was not under Roy but rather WDFA president Jeffrey Katzenberg.

 

[peter11435]

That may very well be the case, but you don't have any proof of it. It's just a judgement call that you make. One could just as easily say that his actions were based on what he thought was best for the compnay.

I do know that Eisner made several reckless decisions that cost the company billions of doallrs during his reign. He also enjoyed a great deal of success, but most of that was during his partnership with Frank Wells. I'm not diminishing his success, just saying the hey days were the result of a partnership instead of one man working solo.

I do know that Roy was the one who spoke up about the animation division when Eisner first came over from Paramount. Eisner himself has credited Roy with this. Yes, Fantasia 2000 was a bust. And yes, it was largely Roy's pet project (although Eisner did insist on one of the most derided segments in the movie).

Again, I'm not claiming either of these men is the embodiment of good or evil. They've both made mistakes and they've both contributed to the company over the years. But villifying Roy based on one's speculations over his motivations in one event seems weak to me.

I think the proof is obvious when Roy supported the Comcast deal. On top of that if you read the goals originally set by Roy on Save Disney they all pointed to making changes in order to maximize profits and shareholder return not guest value. Unfortunately these are no longer on the site.

 

[Captain Chaos]

His point is that most of the success of WDFA was not under Roy but rather WDFA president Jeffrey Katzenberg.

If I read his quote right, the blub stated Roy was head of WDFA from 1985 to 2003... If I recall, many of the great Disney animated hits came during this time...

Ok I correct myself.. I didn't see where it said the president of WDFA made the decisions..

 

[lebeau]

His point is that most of the success of WDFA was not under Roy but rather WDFA president Jeffrey Katzenberg.

Oh.

Well, you'll get no argument from me there. I agree completely. I credit Roy with keeping the animation dept around long enough for Katzenberg to make it successful.

 

[Captain Chaos]

From Wikipedia:



BTW, Roy has resigned from the company more times than you can shake a stick at. :sohappy:

So? who cares if he has or hasn't. That blub you put up doesn't state that... You want others to quote hard core facts.. Back this up with articles and proof... And he didn't resign on his own.. he was forced out when Eisner no longer wanted Roy around since Roy refused to be Eisner's puppet...

 

[ThreeCircles]

If I read his quote right, the blub stated Roy was head of WDFA from 1985 to 2003... If I recall, many of the great Disney animated hits came during this time...

Re-read it. He was "chairman" of WDFA and the blurb does say that while Disney had say in the divison, most decisions were made by the president of WDFA and approved (or dis-approved) by Eisner.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Re-read it. He was "chairman" of WDFA and the blurb does say that while Disney had say in the divison, most decisions were made by the president of WDFA and approved (or dis-approved) by Eisner.

i did re-read it and I corrected myself on my previous post.. I misread it the first time...

 

[ThreeCircles]

So? who cares if he has or hasn't. That blub you put up doesn't state that... You want others to quote hard core facts.. Back this up with articles and proof... And he didn't resign on his own.. he was forced out when Eisner no longer wanted Roy around since Roy refused to be Eisner's puppet...

Um...

He resigned as an executive in 1977.

He resigned his post on the board of directors in 1984.

Resigned on November 30, 2003 after he learned his current post wouldn't be extended. (So, wrong again, he wasn't forced out. He could have completed his term, but rather, he choose to resign.)

Wikipedia again.

 

[ThreeCircles]

Roy sounds kind of unstable to me. Not the kind of loose bolt you would want heading a major entertainment company. :lol:

 

[ThreeCircles]

Oh.

Well, you'll get no argument from me there. I agree completely. I credit Roy with keeping the animation dept around long enough for Katzenberg to make it successful.

Hmmm... I'm still wondering where the proof is that Eisner was going to close Feature Animation...

 

[Captain Chaos]

Hmmm... I'm still wondering where the proof is that Eisner was going to close Feature Animation...

I can honestly say I never heard that Eisner wanted to close FA.. So, I cannot comment on that....

When all is said and done.. Eisner will no longer be CEO of TWDC, Roy does NOT have a new position and power in the company, and Iger has to clean up Eisner's huge mess...

Everyone has their opinions about Roy and Eisner, whether good or bad.. And no one is wrong with having those opinions. We should just stop pointing fingers of blame and look foward to a wonderful, magic filled future.. THERE'S A GREAT BIG BEAUTIFUL TOMORROW...

 

[lebeau]

Roy sounds kind of unstable to me. Not the kind of loose bolt you would want heading a major entertainment company. :lol:

That's a mighty big conclussion you've jumped to based on his resignations. Especially given his reasons for resigning.

Anyway, Roy was never trying to head up the Walt Disney Company. So I guess I still don't see your point. Unless you're just trying to throw mud at him.

 

[lebeau]

Hmmm... I'm still wondering where the proof is that Eisner was going to close Feature Animation...

I'll post that when I get home tonight and have access to the holy bible of Disney history that is Disneywar

 

[lebeau]

I can honestly say I never heard that Eisner wanted to close FA.. So, I cannot comment on that....

When all is said and done.. Eisner will no longer be CEO of TWDC, Roy does NOT have a new position and power in the company, and Iger has to clean up Eisner's huge mess...

Everyone has their opinions about Roy and Eisner, whether good or bad.. And no one is wrong with having those opinions. We should just stop pointing fingers of blame and look foward to a wonderful, magic filled future.. THERE'S A GREAT BIG BEAUTIFUL TOMORROW...

3 cheers. Excellent post.

I do think it is important to acknowledge the company's history so as to avoid remaking the same mistakes over and over again. But this is definitely a time to be looking forward to a hopefully bright future for the company.

If Roy and Stan can make the peace with the Disney board, surely we can agree to disagree on this thread.

 

[DisneyFanLS]

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now maybe Disney can begin moving FORWARD again!!! :sohappy:

 

[tazhughes]

And he didn't resign on his own.. he was forced out when Eisner no longer wanted Roy around since Roy refused to be Eisner's puppet...

Actuallyhe was forced out by the mandatory retirement clause in the boards bylaws. He wanted an exception because he was a "disney" and when he did not get it he resigned (on his own). If you want sources for that pull up any article from the time it is well documented.

 

[lebeau]

Actuallyhe was forced out by the mandatory retirement clause in the boards bylaws. He wanted an exception because he was a "disney" and when he did not get it he resigned (on his own). If you want sources for that pull up any article from the time it is well documented.

That is true.

One caveat: There were several members on the board for whom that exception had been granted. In fact, though the rule had been on the books it had not been enforced historically.

 

[Captain Chaos]

That is true.

One caveat: There were several members on the board for whom that exception had been granted. In fact, though the rule had been on the books it had not been enforced historically.

Exactly Lebeau.. And don't think the reason Eisner had his cronies on the board enforce this bylaw suddenly, to a DISNEY no less, is to remove anyone who would refuse to be Eisner's YES MAN...

What is that age limit by the way???