The TTA Update

[JWG]

It appears that for once I may have my trips appropriately planned for once. Feb. 2009 to get a lost ride on SM and TTA as it exists today and then return in Oct. 2010 to see what's new and improved.

That plus Food and Wine in '10 makes me happy.

Here's hoping that TTA gets some love, at least just a little.

 

[csm]

I just hope they do something while the TTA is down to plus it. There is plenty of blank space during the course of the TTA that could easily and cheapily be enhanced. Even if it is as simple as fake advertisements or simple scenes (such as the hairdresser). It would be really cool if they put the old Timekeeper AA up there somewhere (that's still somewhere backstage, right?)!

I just hope they reprogram the ride controler so it doesn't slow down in scenes that no longer have *anything* in them! The entry tunnel to Space Mountain and as well through the Buzz building are just painful!

The sad truth is my biggest hope is that they speed it up. Notice there was no "add scenes back in" even wished for :brick:

 

[DisneyMusician2]

I just hope they reprogram the ride controler so it doesn't slow down in scenes that no longer have *anything* in them! The entry tunnel to Space Mountain and as well through the Buzz building are just painful!

The sad truth is my biggest hope is that they speed it up. Notice there was no "add scenes back in" even wished for :brick:

Well, I for one hope they add scenes back in with new audio to accommodate the new attractions.

I need the same style though...

NOW APPROACHING......SPACE MOUNTAIN!!!

 

[imagineer boy]

I just hope they reprogram the ride controler so it doesn't slow down in scenes that no longer have *anything* in them! The entry tunnel to Space Mountain and as well through the Buzz building are just painful!

The sad truth is my biggest hope is that they speed it up. Notice there was no "add scenes back in" even wished for :brick:

Actually, I like it when they slow it down in SM. The darkness with the stars ahead and the star tunnel music... ahh my favourite part of the ride. But the other tunnels definately need to be plussed.

 

[csm]

Actually, I like it when they slow it down in SM. The darkness with the stars ahead and the star tunnel music... ahh my favourite part of the ride. But the other tunnels definately need to be plussed.

You do understand that's not why the cars slow down there, right?

 

[imagineer boy]

You do understand that's not why the cars slow down there, right?

Well, no, but it slows down so you can look up into the roller coaster lift and some of the exit tunnel show scenes right?

 

[barrettismyhero]

Actually, I like it when they slow it down in SM. The darkness with the stars ahead and the star tunnel music... ahh my favourite part of the ride. But the other tunnels definately need to be plussed.

I do too.

 

[csm]

Well, no, but it slows down so you can look up into the roller coaster lift and some of the exit tunnel show scenes right?

No. There were show scenes and things to see in all the places where it currently slows down, which are no longer there. In Space Mountain, the home of the future which used to be the post show / speed ramp exit had a second floor that could be seen from on the Peoplemover. Everywhere TTA goes slow is where the ride *thinks* you are looking at those scenes. It actually speeds up when you get into the station area for Space Mountain, not slows down.

In Buzz, there were several sets of windows where one could orginally view If You Had Wings / Dream Flight / Take Flight / Etc. Only one set of windows is still uncovered to view Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin. Again, the ride slows because it *thinks* you have those windows to look through, which are now covered over.

 

[imagineer boy]

I never knew that. What were the show scenes of? Either way, I like the slowness in the darkness. The only tunnel in the TTA where the non-themeing darkness works.

 

[Jasonflz]

I hope they slow down the TTA when you are inside the mountain dome viewing the ride.

 

[marni1971]

I never knew that. What were the show scenes of? Either way, I like the slowness in the darkness. The only tunnel in the TTA where the non-themeing darkness works.

The show scenes were RCAs Home of Future Living. A house of the future, split into 7 hexagonal modules all interlinked. The babies room and the boys bedroom were stacked ontop of the patio and family room; you could partially look up at them but only from the WEDway could you look down into them properly. When RYCA-1 was introduced in 1985 the present day darklight backdrops and sets were installed instead - the 2 sections visible from the TTA today are where the babies room and boys bedroom used to stick up through the gap in the floor/ceiling next to the track/speedramp.

 

[Main Street USA]

The show scenes were RCAs Home of Future Living. A house of the future, split into 7 hexagonal modules all interlinked. The babies room and the boys bedroom were stacked ontop of the patio and family room; you could partially look up at them but only from the WEDway could you look down into them properly. When RYCA-1 was introduced in 1985 the present day darklight backdrops and sets were installed instead - the 2 sections visible from the TTA today are where the babies room and boys bedroom used to stick up through the gap in the floor/ceiling next to the track/speedramp.

The Space Mountain post show has suffered for some time now. I'm sort of hoping for a less bleak outlook on the future when the rehab is finished...and a little love for the view of the TTA wouldn't be hard.

 

[Rob562]

I hope they slow down the TTA when you are inside the mountain dome viewing the ride.

Changing the speed of the TTA from how it operates now would be a fairly involved undertaking. It's not just a simple matter of flipping a few switches or re-programming a ride control computer.

Every time the trains speed up or slow down, there is a section of very-closely-spaced LIMs on the track. (This is most easily seen in the section of track at the start of the ride just after the station. When a train exiting the station hits that tight group of LIMs, it speeds up and pulls away from the pack in the station)

These close-together LIMs are needed to "force" the train from one speed to another (slow-to-fast or fast-to-slow). Outside of these speed-change areas are evenly-spaced LIMs that simply work to keep the trains moving at whatever constant speed they're supposed to. If they didn't have these speed-change groups of LIMs and just went from stretches of "slow" LIMs to stretches of "fast" LIMs, the trains would eventually speed up and slow down, but it would take a much longer distance for them to do it.

So if you wanted to change the location where a train sped up, it would require a major change to the already-installed LIMs. Say, for example, you wanted to keep the trains moving at the slow speed all through the Mountain until the trains went outside. They would have to remove the line of "speed up" LIMs from above the queue area, re-install them farther down the track, and then change the "constant speed" LIMs along the way to operate at a slow speed. And at slow speeds the LIMs probably need to be closer together, so they'd have to install even more LIMs and at shorter intervals. Throw in all the electrical work for such an undertaking, and you're talking some decent money.

Though one of the pluses of doing this, it would allow them to increase capacity by a couple trains, as the total ride-time would increase.

-Rob

 

[WDWFigment]

Changing the speed of the TTA from how it operates now would be a fairly involved undertaking. It's not just a simple matter of flipping a few switches or re-programming a ride control computer.

Every time the trains speed up or slow down, there is a section of very-closely-spaced LIMs on the track. (This is most easily seen in the section of track at the start of the ride just after the station. When a train exiting the station hits that tight group of LIMs, it speeds up and pulls away from the pack in the station)

These close-together LIMs are needed to "force" the train from one speed to another (slow-to-fast or fast-to-slow). Outside of these speed-change areas are evenly-spaced LIMs that simply work to keep the trains moving at whatever constant speed they're supposed to. If they didn't have these speed-change groups of LIMs and just went from stretches of "slow" LIMs to stretches of "fast" LIMs, the trains would eventually speed up and slow down, but it would take a much longer distance for them to do it.

So if you wanted to change the location where a train sped up, it would require a major change to the already-installed LIMs. Say, for example, you wanted to keep the trains moving at the slow speed all through the Mountain until the trains went outside. They would have to remove the line of "speed up" LIMs from above the queue area, re-install them farther down the track, and then change the "constant speed" LIMs along the way to operate at a slow speed. And at slow speeds the LIMs probably need to be closer together, so they'd have to install even more LIMs and at shorter intervals. Throw in all the electrical work for such an undertaking, and you're talking some decent money.

Though one of the pluses of doing this, it would allow them to increase capacity by a couple trains, as the total ride-time would increase.

-Rob

The simple alternative, and preferable one, in my opinion, is to add something to look at in the places where it currently slows down. Like I said before, even things as simple as the hairdresser scene (or even more simple--some fake posters (like those found in other parts of Tomorrowland) would suffice. Heck, maybe even some neon triangles would do! I really don't care what they add, but some more substance would be nice. The cost of adding these scenes/ads would be negligible.

 

[DisneyMusician2]

The simple alternative, and preferable one, in my opinion, is to add something to look at in the places where it currently slows down. Like I said before, even things as simple as the hairdresser scene (or even more simple--some fake posters (like those found in other parts of Tomorrowland) would suffice. Heck, maybe even some neon triangles would do! I really don't care what they add, but some more substance would be nice. The cost of adding these scenes/ads would be negligible.

Anything to look at would be great! How much would it cost to add a few scenes in to make the experience look complete again?

 

[WDWFigment]

Anything to look at would be great! How much would it cost to add a few scenes in to make the experience look complete again?

I hope that's not directed at me. I was really assuming the cost would be negligible. However, in any bureaucracy, something that should cost a few thousand dollars could easily cost millions. Maybe one of the insiders will have an answer.

 

[aladdin2007]

New scenes would be kinda nice, as long as the original tone is kept like a few posts back mentioned, now approachinggggg space mountainnnnn etc. love that.
And of course they could save even more money by leaving walts city model in place. Hear that Disney? Save a few bucks and leave this one part alone!!!! please? :wave:

 

[jt04]

New scenes would be kinda nice, as long as the original tone is kept like a few posts back mentioned, now approachinggggg space mountainnnnn etc. love that.
And of course they could save even more money by leaving walts city model in place. Hear that Disney? Save a few bucks and leave this one part alone!!!! please? :wave:

They need to keep their mits off that E.P.C.O.T. model. If they think closing the AC was controversial........

But if it absolutely had to be removed, I'd recommend placing it in EPCOT or the lobby of the Contemporary. It just shouldn't disappear like the other "future cities" have

 

[hokielutz]

They need to keep their mits off that E.P.C.O.T. model. If they think closing the AC was controversial........

But if it absolutely had to be removed, I'd recommend placing it in EPCOT or the lobby of the Contemporary. It just shouldn't disappear like the other "future cities" have

I have to adamantly agree with you. That model is a priceless piece of visionary history.

If it did get moved to someplace else as a museum model... I might suggest that the model be enlarged a little in scale and plus up the details, lighting, and maybe have the people mover lines actually travel back and forth.

 

[Mr.EPCOT]

They need to keep their mits off that E.P.C.O.T. model. If they think closing the AC was controversial........

But if it absolutely had to be removed, I'd recommend placing it in EPCOT or the lobby of the Contemporary. It just shouldn't disappear like the other "future cities" have

I have to adamantly agree with you. That model is a priceless piece of visionary history.

If it did get moved to someplace else as a museum model... I might suggest that the model be enlarged a little in scale and plus up the details, lighting, and maybe have the people mover lines actually travel back and forth.

While I would miss the model were it to be removed from the TTA, I would like to see it on display somewhere where they could showcase the ENTIRE Progress City model, as opposed to just the section that they have up there right now.