The Town Center construction

Animaniac93-98

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^You're welcome. To your point, if they had gone the route of an immersively-themed area (like a Harambe or New Orleans Square, but based on Florida over two centuries)...

It's funny you mention New Orleans Square, because at one point that's exactly what was planned for this area of the Lake Buena Vista Shopping Village back in the late 70s (to go along with the riverboat):

http://passport2dreams.blogspot.ca/2012/07/lake-buena-vistas-lost-crescent-city.html
 

BD-Anaheim

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The Mediterranean-revival inspired buildings are perhaps the misstep in theme, in my opinion. It doesn't jive all that well with the Florida cracker-style around the spring or the Landings and Marketplace areas. I think I would have instead opted for Spanish-colonial style buildings like you'd find you'd find in St Augustine or Pensacola, mixed in with some art deco references. Instead, they chose to build in the Addison Mizner tradition (aka Palm Beach) which I find too rigid for Disney.
 

ToTBellHop

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The complaints here baffle me.

They went with architecture that is found in Florida. And the place IS themed. Step inside D-Luxe or Morimoto.

Not Disney enough? It's gorgeous. Being Disney does not require 75,000 hidden mickeys. It requires impeccable theming. See also: Frontierland, Grand Floridian, World Showcase, Harambe. Not many Mickeys there.

I think they set out with a specific purpose here, fully committed to it, and were successful. Many here didn't like the chosen purpose for the place from the start, but that doesn't mean Disney failed.
 

nelsonj3

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The complaints here baffle me.

They went with architecture that is found in Florida. And the place IS themed. Step inside D-Luxe or Morimoto.

Not Disney enough? It's gorgeous. Being Disney does not require 75,000 hidden mickeys. It requires impeccable theming. See also: Frontierland, Grand Floridian, World Showcase, Harambe. Not many Mickeys there.

I think they set out with a specific purpose here, fully committed to it, and were successful. Many here didn't like the chosen purpose for the place from the start, but that doesn't mean Disney failed.

I totally agree. The place is absolutely gorgeous. I would recommend that everyone withhold judgement until they are able to visit in person. D-Luxe is wonderfully themed, and the actual Springs are amazing. I can't wait to see them at night.

When I first entered the main area of the Town Center after getting some video of the Rope Drop and the inside of the Market Stalls, I was blown away by the size of everything and by the sheer amount of beautiful small details that are scattered throughout the area. These are details that one might not notice in a video or a picture, but they are amazing in person. I tried to capture some of these details in my video posted earlier, but they're much more evident in person. These details fit the theming of the area and are not hidden mickeys or anything like that as MansionButler84 mentions above.

I think that as time goes on, more specialized, boutique shops will start to come in to this area that will add on to the chain stores that are already there. However, Disney needs the larger chain stores for the financial stability of the area so that they can help foot the huge construction bill. (Not sure of the contracts or agreements, but I'm sure Disney is getting a pretty penny from these chain stores like Under Armor and Ugg).
 

halltd

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Here is my Walkthrough of Town Center to complement the fantastic Walkthrough that @wdwmagic posted yesterday. I thought it would be nice to post anyway because I may have focused on different things. For what it's worth, I was really impressed with everything I saw yesterday.
LOVED the video. Thanks for taking it, showing a lot of the little details, and for posting. :)
 

Magenta Panther

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First of all, I really appreciate WDWMagic taking and posting that video walk-through. My feet hurt just watching it.

But Disney Springs is just Downtown Disney as far as I'm concerned. Just a big ol' outdoor shopping mall, and big fat hairy deal. I wonder how many tourists are going to walk through all that asking "Where are the rides???" :D

Now, I AM interested in the Edison, and the Planet Hollywood Observatory (which looked to be still under construction), but I can't imagine visiting the Springs more than once unless those two places are extraordinary. Just like I visited Downtown Disney once and was done. (By the way, Raglan Road's Bread Pudding is WAY overrated IMO).
 

lazyboy97o

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^You're welcome. To your point, if they had gone the route of an immersively-themed area (like a Harambe or New Orleans Square, but based on Florida over two centuries), then they would face the challenge of integrating typical tenant signage/interiors so it didn't spoil all that place-making effort (it's no fun seeing the big Cinnabon/Starbucks signs among the awesome exteriors of Port of Entry). Like The Grove in L.A. or the new Shanghai Disneytown, it's a modern lifestyle center (a nice, elaborate one, from the pics) with typical quasi-historic flourishes, but nothing to the point of transporting you to another time/place, as a great themed land strives to do. The actual natural spring area has impressed me the most out of all of it. I think Hangar Bar is very nicely done and could be dropped into an Adventureland or Lost River Delta. Looking forward to what they do with Edison, Observatory, Neverland Tunnels and Walt's Place.
The intention to have such an environment was definitely there. I think the biggest issue is the Old Florida aesthetic. There is no consistency to that narrative. It's an old rural town but with massive buildings more appropriate to the eastern coast and a southern portion that echoes too much of northern industry. You get weird things like the triple roof because a spread out, individual structure based aesthetic is trying to be grafted onto a very urban context.

The complaints here baffle me.

They went with architecture that is found in Florida. And the place IS themed. Step inside D-Luxe or Morimoto.

Not Disney enough? It's gorgeous. Being Disney does not require 75,000 hidden mickeys. It requires impeccable theming. See also: Frontierland, Grand Floridian, World Showcase, Harambe. Not many Mickeys there.

I think they set out with a specific purpose here, fully committed to it, and were successful. Many here didn't like the chosen purpose for the place from the start, but that doesn't mean Disney failed.
Did you even bother to read some of the critiques? They're not focused on nonsense like Hidden Mickeys.
 

raymusiccity

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The intention to have such an environment was definitely there. I think the biggest issue is the Old Florida aesthetic. There is no consistency to that narrative. It's an old rural town but with massive buildings more appropriate to the eastern coast and a southern portion that echoes too much of northern industry. You get weird things like the triple roof because a spread out, individual structure based aesthetic is trying to be grafted onto a very urban context.


Did you even bother to read some of the critiques? They're not focused on nonsense like Hidden Mickeys.

Speaking of 'hidden Mickey's'.....let's start with the entrance!...
(I take umbrage with your reference of such an icon as nonsense) ! :)

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RandySavage

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It's funny you mention New Orleans Square, because at one point that's exactly what was planned for this area of the Lake Buena Vista Shopping Village back in the late 70s (to go along with the riverboat):

http://passport2dreams.blogspot.ca/2012/07/lake-buena-vistas-lost-crescent-city.html

Thanks for the link. That is really cool and I can imagine how awesome an expanded New Orleans Square would be as WDW's non-ticketed shopping, dining & entertainment district.

For further reading, here's a non-Disney proposal (with some nice artwork) for an elaborately-themed retail destination by Greg Damron (who helped create IoA): https://issuu.com/damrondesign/docs/provence?e=1890765/7281248
 

Next Big Thing

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Now that this area is open, am I the only one that thinks it's time the bridge from West Side to The Landing needs to shut down for a period to be replaced/rethemed. Being one of the few remnants of Pleasure Island and how dated it looks, a new look would be welcomed.
 

roj2323

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Now that this area is open, am I the only one that thinks it's time the bridge from West Side to The Landing needs to shut down for a period to be replaced/rethemed. Being one of the few remnants of Pleasure Island and how dated it looks, a new look would be welcomed.

it just needs a coat of go away green and a new walking surface
 

Next Big Thing

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it just needs a coat of go away green and a new walking surface
The popcorn lights preferably need to go too, but then again, those are the only lights on the bridge at night so they'd need to change out for something that would make up for that loss. They just look cheesy and were meant to fit in with the string of popcorn lights that used to run across Pleasure Island.
 

mm121

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Overall I think the town center looks great. It's a great addition... There are some things they should improve though. There needs to be more shaded sitting room in the 'poutine' area. The few tables are not enough... And the tables next to the world of disney wall are out of place. I saw a person eating his poutine Fries at a table inside the amorette's patteserie.

I also saw lots of benches with no people on them... Probably because it was hot and there was no shade. So most of them were sitting down at the windows of the shops...

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the sight lines of the mammoth garage from areas of the town center are TERRIBLE
From all of the promotional material and videos I have seen, Disney has always mentioned a story behind what they did with Disney Springs (like they always do with any new area), but also if I recall they also say "harkens back to" quiet often when referring to the Disney Springs town. So this is the morden day version of the old Disney Springs of yesterday.

If you look in the Guest Relations building they have a large mural or painting of Disney Springs from a supposed 1950's Expo. It shows the train tracks still in tact and the train running across it. This is clearly not true today as plants are growing on the elevated tracks now.

What this tells me is that those days are the past, and we are in Disney Springs of the present, today. So you have an old style with modern features built on top of it, like you would see in many old cities becoming modernized (like areas of Japan or China have, for example). Here it is:

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I also specifically remembering Disney mention why the water tower has a new modern font logo on it, even though the water tower is old, and it had to do with it being modern day or something along those lines. In fact, behind the logo on the tower there is printing on the tower itself... watch this:


is this water tower part of the reason why the destroyed the water tower over at DHS? to ensure that two areas werent trying to use the same type of structure as an icon
Did anyone see the live manatees in the springs?

that woulda been pretty cool if they woulda done that especailly since DAK doesnt really have any water creatures
 

yellowrocket

Active Member
It looks nice. Sure. But, I almost miss that original redo-concept for Pleasure Island - Hyperion Wharf? At least, it was going to have a water show. After glancing at the "park" guide for Disney Springs, the 'entertainment' options are about the same as was before. If you aren't going to eat pricey or shop pricey, you're out of luck. I guess you could walk around and look at the pretty water and architecture, but if I'm dropping 2k on a Disney vacation, I wouldn't waste one of my precious vacation days there.

The sad thing is that exImagineers and aspiring Imagineers are now creating equivalent themed shopping experiences all across the country. Disney Springs isn't unique. At least that mall in Glendale, CA has a trolly.
 

Jon81uk

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I do think they missed out not adding something else. A free fountain show would be nice. But even another option of evening entertainment such as a dinner show, indoor mini golf or comedy club would be very welcome. All of the entertainment in the bars seems to just be singers with guitars.
 

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