Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
It was Better
Guillermo del toro is one of those classic Hollywood people that everyone loves but you can’t really explain why?
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Guillermo del toro is one of those classic Hollywood people that everyone loves but you can’t really explain why?
Phroobar
Well-Known Member
He is kind of like a new Alfred Hitchcock. The guy is great with suspense and Twilight Zone type horror movies.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I’m not saying he’s not good…he’s just overblown
Tarentino is the poster child
Renee zellweger
Jennifer Lawrence
Etc etc etc
Magenta Panther
Well-Known Member
Darn. Guess I'm behind on award (yawn) shows...
Ghost93
Well-Known Member
I think the success of the Super Mario Bros movie is due to the fact that Mario is a VERY popular IP that most people under the age of 40 have strong nostalgic ties to due to decades of video games.
But as far as the quality of the film goes, Soul, Luca, Turning Red, Raya and the Last Dragon and Encanto were all much, much better movies. They didn't get the same love because they didn't have built-in fanbases and were harmed by Disney Plus.
But as far as the quality of the film goes, Soul, Luca, Turning Red, Raya and the Last Dragon and Encanto were all much, much better movies. They didn't get the same love because they didn't have built-in fanbases and were harmed by Disney Plus.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
How long have you worked for Disney?
Spot on
Do you honstly think Soul, Raya, Luca, Turning Red, or Encanto were of a lesser quality than Super Mario Bros…SMB was mostly nostalgic bait…if Star Wars threw in that much member berries…certain people would be screaming about jangling keys
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
First…the particular poster never has a problem with anything Disney does. He’s “in the weeds”
And no…I don’t think those movies are worse. But Disney is failing to attract viewers. Their content has been sinking pretty substantially for several years now. They’ll blame chapek. But it’s 100% Iger
flynnibus
Premium Member
its not about 'quality' -- it's about the audience being entertained. You can cry SMB is shallow, but it's there to entertain, not be some beacon of knowledge or example of art's refinement.
Those films you list maybe 'better' - but if they don't resonate with the audience, they are still failing in a commercial sense.
Sharon&Susan
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Just watched the movie. Very serviceable quality-wise, but good at pleasing the audience that it's meant for (kids and nintendo nerds). I feel like it would've been a stronger movie if Luigi had been part of the core team that go to the Jungle Land. Mario and Luigi through their travels would have either had to learn to work better as a team (a la Mario & Luigi games) or Luigi learns to become less of a coward/blunderer thanks to the example of Mario.
Although, I'm sure the focus on spectacle over characters and story was by design. Most likely to make it as close to the video games as possible. OR maybe Miyamoto wanted to try to make a modern 90 minute version of a Popeye short with Mario. Probably unlikely, but it does have an uncanny similarity with the 1980 Popeye movie with the main characters of both heroes ironically hating the food that they are most associated with.
The Final Battle where Luigi joins in to help Mario and whatever message the movie was trying to say about family falls a bit flat to me because of how non-relevant Luigi is to the rest of the movie past the introduction.
Although, I'm sure the focus on spectacle over characters and story was by design. Most likely to make it as close to the video games as possible. OR maybe Miyamoto wanted to try to make a modern 90 minute version of a Popeye short with Mario. Probably unlikely, but it does have an uncanny similarity with the 1980 Popeye movie with the main characters of both heroes ironically hating the food that they are most associated with.
We will never know how those movies were done… because they were released at a time when Disney was putting all their eggs in the streaming basket.., Disney has conditioned their audience they can wait until streaming…. Plus more families have Disney plus then Peacock…the real test will be Elemental if it’s good
All I want is entertaining movies too.,.Entertainment is subjective… I am a film person…I go to the theater at least once a week if not multiple times and I find Air to be the most entertaining movie of the year and that won’t break 100 million domestic…yes that is adult skewing… to bring it back to families…I thought Dungeons and Dragons was more entertaining than Mario but most people will not give it a chance because they do not have the nostalgic ties they do to Mario
Ghost93
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Where did you get the impression I never had a problem with anything Disney does? The live-action remakes are usually terrible, many of the recent Star Wars and Marvel Disney Plus shows are mediocre, Rise of Skywalker is a franchise-killing abomination, and Strange World is in my bottom 10 Walt Disney Animated Studios movies (I don't hate it, but it's very bland). I think the decision to greenlight a Toy Story 5 is stupid (they just barely got away with the fourth one), and a live-action remake of Moana — a six-year-old movie — is a low point in creativity for the company.
But I DO think most of Disney and Pixar's recent original movies have been pretty great. I think if COVID wasn't a factor and if Bob Chapek hadn't been training audiences to wait for free movies on Disney Plus, all of the movies I listed in my previous post would have been box-office hits.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
It could he just recently? Very pro-disney
I’m also very pro-Disney…I laud them when they don’t make obvious, bad management driven mistakes.
Every time
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
It's all subjective of course. But SMB did exactly what it was supposed to do. It gave the fans of mario a movie they wanted to see. That isn't a bad thing. It's Mario, it didn't need to be the Shawshank redemption. Soul, Luca, Raya, Encanto, turning red ranged from OK to extremely meh in my opinion. Were they lesser quality than Mario? Depends on how you look at it. They aren't better because they try to have a grander message. Mario is a better film in my opinion because it accomplished exactly what it was supposed to.
You call Mario mostly nostalgia bait. That's been the ace card Disney has been trying to play as a company for how long now? The difference is that Mario pulled it off and the fans are loving it. The Star wars sequels needed more of that nostalgia bait as you call it. They sold us on nostalgia, but we all know how that went. I would place money on if the sequels were Luke, Han and Leias story, star wars isn't in the spot it is now.
I'm sure that'll be addressed more in the next one.
Sharon&Susan
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That's all fine and dandy, but why is this the movie that tries to suddenly make Luigi a hero within the last five minutes after having spent the rest of the running time either ignoring Luigi's existence (I don't even remember Mario even expressing any worry about his brother after the training scene?) depicting him as a plain loser and a fraidy cat, or just being stuck in a cage doing nothing?
Of course Mario did what it set out to do it is making bank…As an adult without kids who only has passing knowledge of the games it was not entertaining… and I thought those Disney/Pixar movies were vastly better put together… but then again I like plot in my movies
I never played Dungeons and Dragons either, but IMO I found that movie was more successful at bridging the Easter eggs for fans and still making an entertaining movie for outsiders
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Pan's Labyrinth was wonderful.