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GoofGoof

Premium Member
And what would you replace it with - a competitive offering in most markets there is no alternative so you would give up all video media access because ESPN was unavailable I don't believe most would do that a hard core ESPN fan might but I don't think there are that many hardcore ESPN fans around.

I may be wrong on that but as long as fans can see most of the big games I don't think the average fan cares whether its ESPN or Fox/Comcast bringing them the game.

I DO expect some epic battles over content though! I will bring the popcorn to the upcoming corporate wars
Where I live I could switch to Verizon Fios. There is also Satellite. Both would still have ESPN. Satellite is available mostly anywhere. If there is a market where Comcast is the only option and they dropped ESPN the natives would cause so much fuss they would need to go back to the table. Simple example: My company has an office about an hour north of Baton Rouge LA. Tons of rabid LSU football fans. If Comcast is their cable provider (no clue if it is) and Comcast dropped ESPN and they missed even one LSU football game they would riot. If it was a playoff game next season I would not want to be anywhere near the Comcast office when people found out. Now Disney could show the game on ABC in that area to calm things down, but what are the odds that they do that and help Comcast out? No shot. There is historic precedent for this happening over less popular content.

As far as some other sports network taking ESPN's place, they can't. ESPN has long term contracts with each of these sports leagues. For example Monday night football is on ESPN until 2021. When the next contract comes up then someone else could bid on it, but ESPN could counter by bidding on March Madness or Sunday Football or any other popular sports broadcast. The point is you can't just drop ESPN and replace it with Joe Blow Sports Net and assume everyone will eventually accept it.
 

Jimmy Thick

Well-Known Member
I still say that Disney & Comcast are gonna have a nasty fight about ESPN's rates....

I don't.

Comcast will low ball, Disney will say no, Comcast will make threats, Disney will laugh and walk away, Comcast will call Disney the bad guy, Disney will wait, Comcast will cave in when people realize ESPN is 90% of sports programming on cable.

Disney will get the huge fees for ESPN and the Disney Channel, and could possibly get Marvel rights in Florida, I wouldn't put that past Iger.

Comcast will take it because they have to.

Disney will count money.

/end.

Jimmy Thick- Yup, its really that simple.
 

Atomicmickey

Well-Known Member
In spite of the fact that so many are willing just jump on this as a deliberate, evil money grubbing happening instrumented by deliberate, evil money grubbing executives, I think the reason is much, much simpler.

A ship is a very condensed, confined and close space where all the entertainment, transportation, lodging and dining are in the same place. Managing that type of close knit setup is monumentally easier then one that is spread out over 27,000 acres (or whatever it is now). One on one supervision exists and employees cannot get away at night and are, in many cases, depending on the quality of their performance to supplement their incomes via tips. That translates to the "Cast Member" no matter what their level and because of that, your service level is naturally going to be better.

This is true. I spoke to many CM's on the Dream about their experience. They said that the Disney ships have better accommodations and perks for employees than on other ships. Also--a lot of the people are from other countries, and they are so grateful to be employed that they take it very seriously. They don't want to mess up and have to go home, for the most part. There's a work ethic there, and they are as happy to be working on the ship as you are to be there--at least in some of the cases that I spoke with.

I would doubt you'd get the same responses from a lot of rank and file WDW CM's.

But--that said--there is a standard of what they are providing that is a cut above, and the immaculate environment and service is something that I used to experience at WDW--so it's not that it can't be done, and
I don't call all that acreage an excuse--because they've done it before. The 'sum' experience is made up of tiny
parts--and if each tiny part is as excellent as what's on the cruise ship, they all add up to a whole, and much better, experience.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
I don't.

Comcast will low ball, Disney will say no, Comcast will make threats, Disney will laugh and walk away, Comcast will call Disney the bad guy, Disney will wait, Comcast will cave in when people realize ESPN is 90% of sports programming on cable.

Disney will get the huge fees for ESPN and the Disney Channel, and could possibly get Marvel rights in Florida, I wouldn't put that past Iger.

Comcast will take it because they have to.

Disney will count money.

/end.

Jimmy Thick- Yup, its really that simple.


I respectfully disagree.

Theses two companies hate one another.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
This is true. I spoke to many CM's on the Dream about their experience. They said that the Disney ships have better accommodations and perks for employees than on other ships. Also--a lot of the people are from other countries, and they are so grateful to be employed that they take it very seriously. They don't want to mess up and have to go home, for the most part. There's a work ethic there, and they are as happy to be working on the ship as you are to be there--at least in some of the cases that I spoke with.

I would doubt you'd get the same responses from a lot of rank and file WDW CM's.

But--that said--there is a standard of what they are providing that is a cut above, and the immaculate environment and service is something that I used to experience at WDW--so it's not that it can't be done, and
I don't call all that acreage an excuse--because they've done it before. The 'sum' experience is made up of tiny
parts--and if each tiny part is as excellent as what's on the cruise ship, they all add up to a whole, and much better, experience.

I think you hit on a very big difference. The cost of labor on a cruise ship is insanely low compared to a land based resort. No minimum wage and no benefits required. Especially employees who don't face customers. And like you said they are really happy to have such a good job that they work their butts off for what we might consider low pay.
 

the.dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
DISNEY WILL NEVER GET THE RIGHTS TO USE MARVEL CHARACTERS IN FLORIDA. THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD IS IF THEY PAY COMCAST'S RIDICULOUS ASKING PRICE WHICH WOULD BE VERY FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE. THEY GET A CUT OF WHAT MARVEL SUPERHERO ISLAND PRESENTLY MAKES PLUS CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL ADVERTISING OF THE MARVEL IPs.

END. OF. STORY.
 

Computer Magic

Well-Known Member
I respectfully disagree.

Theses two companies hate one another.
I do think Disney Has the upper hand owning ESPN. Which is why I agree with you that they hate each other. It like the USA vs Russia. There is so much history between Comcast and Disney. I can trace as far back as 2004. Whether that was a real attempt of Comcast buying Disney or not, it didn't set well with Disney. Now the Comcast owns NBC and UNi, the competition will only intensify. But hey Disney did get Oswald back...take that Comcast.
 

Darth Sidious

Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
I respectfully disagree.

Theses two companies hate one another.

They will get a deal done, guaranteed. Honestly, ESPN is truly the best in the business. Disney will always be able to get their content on cable mediums because of ESPN's popularity. I think Comcast will try and play hardball but Disney knows if they walk away, customers will be mad and at Comcast. Comcast will then make the deal happen, just as every other company has before them.

It's not fanboyism speaking either, it's just realism.
 

Darth Sidious

Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
DISNEY WILL NEVER GET THE RIGHTS TO USE MARVEL CHARACTERS IN FLORIDA. THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD IS IF THEY PAY COMCAST'S RIDICULOUS ASKING PRICE WHICH WOULD BE VERY FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE. THEY GET A CUT OF WHAT MARVEL SUPERHERO ISLAND PRESENTLY MAKES PLUS CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL ADVERTISING OF THE MARVEL IPs.

END. OF. STORY.

I wouldn't say never because in the business world deals can always happen for different reasons. If it makes sense it will happen but this deal likely won't ever happen. Something could always happen in the future where that deal is attractive for both parties, anything is possible but it's highly highly unlikely lol.

Anyway it won't happen but weird stuff does happen in business sometimes.
 
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the.dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
I wouldn't say never because in the business world deals can always happen for different reasons. If it makes sense it will happen but this deal likely won't ever happen. Something could always happen in the future where that deal is attractive for both parties, anything is possible but it's highly highly unlikely lol.
It's so unlikely that it's not worth wasting time discussing.
 

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
DISNEY WILL NEVER GET THE RIGHTS TO USE MARVEL CHARACTERS IN FLORIDA. THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD IS IF THEY PAY COMCAST'S RIDICULOUS ASKING PRICE WHICH WOULD BE VERY FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE. THEY GET A CUT OF WHAT MARVEL SUPERHERO ISLAND PRESENTLY MAKES PLUS CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL ADVERTISING OF THE MARVEL IPs.

END. OF. STORY.

Reading between the lines - Iron Man simulator in the Wonders of Life pavilion?
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Besides, Disney has soooo much unused IP, what makes people think if they even did have the rights they would utilize them in WDW? Marvel has already been pushed aside by Starwars in Anaheim.

Not so sure about this. Marvel is pretty darn popular. Although I do prefer Star Wars.
 


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