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maxairmike

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That was an extraordinary scenario because Iger was trying to show himself as somebody who cared for the legacy of Walt Disney and win over the Save Disney crowd.

Bingo. They really aren't all too worried about the situation in Orlando from what I've gathered, and why should they be? They can sell all the Marvel merch they want (though that seems to be very little in the parks, which is surprising) in addition to the payments from Universal for the merch they sell.
 

Darth Sidious

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I do not get all this talk of a battle between Comcast and Disney over ESPN coverage. A deal is in place for years to come. They'll negotiate a mutually satisfactory deal when the contract is up as it is in BOTH their interests to do so.

Sounds like a lot of Disney vs. UNI fanboi arguments from theme parks being thrown onto something totally different.

Nope not a fanboi argument. Someone previously mentioned the merger and the potential 'issues' for Disney's future fee negotiation. There won't be an issue, both parties know they need to reach an agreement.
 

TinkerBelle8878

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lazyboy97o

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So you do not think he could do it again to win over the Marvel crowd? I mean...you have to admit anything is possible. Improbable? yes. Impossible? no.
No, because the Marvel crowd is not the theme park crowd. Where the two do overlap, those people have Marvel Super Hero Island to visit in Florida. Only' the brand lovers who suddenly found Marvel when it was bought care that Marvel is at Universal Orlando Resort and not Walt Disney World.

Oswald also worked because on the NBCUniversal side it was somewhat part of the same unit, with NBC Sports being part of NBCUniversal. That sort of scenario does not exist in regards to Marvel. NBCUniversal would have to care about an issue that is really just the cable division's. Comcast bought NBCUniversal because they understand the importance of content moving forward so they're not doing to give up content for the cable business; that would be counter to why they bought NBCUniversal and are pouring money into their parks.
 

Funmeister

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No, because the Marvel crowd is not the theme park crowd. Where the two do overlap, those people have Marvel Super Hero Island to visit in Florida. Only' the brand lovers who suddenly found Marvel when it was bought care that Marvel is at Universal Orlando Resort and not Walt Disney World.

Oswald also worked because on the NBCUniversal side it was somewhat part of the same unit, with NBC Sports being part of NBCUniversal. That sort of scenario does not exist in regards to Marvel. NBCUniversal would have to care about an issue that is really just the cable division's. Comcast bought NBCUniversal because they understand the importance of content moving forward so they're not doing to give up content for the cable business; that would be counter to why they bought NBCUniversal and are pouring money into their parks.

Right. My point says that it is possible but not probable. I think you are fighting an argument that does not exist.
 

WDW1974

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Bummer I missed fun! I also noticed someone mention that ricky was invited to the mine train press unveiling.

What a shock. I would expect Disney to have as many local Lifestylers as possible and they likely will be very generous handing out the gifts. Disney needs as much PR as it can get heading into a summer when its top competitor is going to put out a product that is MANY levels above what WDW has and will.

I do find it amusing, though, with Ricky at some big toy fair in NYC that these BRAND advocates and bloggers also get free merchandise, film previews etc to 'review' for their sites. So, they aren't simply theme park 'experts' but they also went to film school and are gaming experts as well?

Yeah, sure.
 

WDW1974

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question
do you think Disney feels they cant add more guest to WDW? or that they ve just stopped trying to do so?

Good question (seriously). I go back and forth on this. I know they feel they can't add many at MK. That's why it has become a concrete jungle that resembles a typical central Florida outlet mall. It's why planters disappear overnight, why walkways keep taking any greenspace away etc.

At the same time, the other three parks can easily fit in many more millions a year. But Disney is simply trying to shift more MK guests instead of attracting new ones.

MK really needs big expansion in order to handle current crowds, let alone any increase. Problem for Disney is many folks are starting to think it is the only WDW park worth visiting.
 

Computer Magic

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The management is the same. DCL is actually run out of Celebration Place by Karl Holz, who came up in the Disney ranks at WDW from 1995-2002 and then ran Euro Disney before being moved over.

I think the answer is complex, but they believe they have a blue ocean product to begin with. They are unique at sea in many areas (from having lavish entertainment -- something others are catching up on -- to no casino to fireworks etc).

Also, they are able to command HUGE and I do mean HUGE premiums over the competition. Cruising can be a very inexpensive vacation, but not on Disney (with a few exceptions that I generally take advantage of). I see folks spending more on 4-night Dream cruises to the Bahamas than I have spent on 9... 11 ... 14 night cruises with other lines (and in some cases with DCL). When you are charging so much more than other lines, well, you better deliver a top notch product.

It's the opposite of WDW where they keep raising the prices and now ... well, they barely have a market for their deluxe resorts so they DVC them all and keep raising prices at all tiers. The idea that the rooms at the value motels are now well over $100 much of the time and over $200 at the moderate motels is just evidence of this model. They can still put rubes into the lower category rooms at absurd premiums. But getting those folks to pay $900 for a parking lot view room at the Poly for Christmas just ain't happening.

They wrongly believe they can keep raising the price points in o-town with no pushback. If they actually studied their business and the market, then they'd know they've already long past the tipping point.
I think you hit on something there. Disney didn't get into the cruise business until 1998. Therefore DCL needed to not only catch the established competition but be different. Also because Disney is family entertainment, they couldn't offer casino's and other types of entertainment. Disney needs to stay competitive as there is a lot of cruise line competition. Disney safety is one way they stay ahead of the competition. As for WDW, Uni is just now being a major force against the theme parks. Disney doesn't fear the other theme parks. Now UNI has been making major moves the last 5 years. WDW will at some point have to step it up in order to stay the theme park of choice.
 

WDW1974

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That was an extraordinary scenario because Iger was trying to show himself as somebody who cared for the legacy of Walt Disney and win over the Save Disney crowd.

Yep. It was a move that cost nothing but brought positive PR. Fanbois were all talking about how he did this for Walt and his Legacy and how much it meant to Diane Disney Miller (whether that is true only her family could say).
 

WDW1974

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Bingo. They really aren't all too worried about the situation in Orlando from what I've gathered, and why should they be? They can sell all the Marvel merch they want (though that seems to be very little in the parks, which is surprising) in addition to the payments from Universal for the merch they sell.

You can be 100% sure that UNI outsells Disney on Marvel merchandise by a HUGE margin. Disney tried selling it in WDW parks and that didn't last long. Hell, the stuff sat at the outlet stores at 30-70% off pricing. Now, I only see it at 2-3 locales at DD. ... And UNI is making a bundle on selling it at its resort. Again, only fanbois think UNI gives a damn where the royalty/licensing checks wind up. The reality of the business is they don't.
 

WDW1974

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Nope not a fanboi argument. Someone previously mentioned the merger and the potential 'issues' for Disney's future fee negotiation. There won't be an issue, both parties know they need to reach an agreement.

That was my exact point.

I've been hearing from theme park fanbois that this cable TV deal somehow affects the theme parks and that is just not reality at all. ... And, I agree, both sides will make a deal many years from now when they have to. ... and it won't result in Hulk doing meet-greet-and-grunts at EPCOT!
 

The Empress Lilly

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The Empress Lilly

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From what I can see, Disney is investing in the parks, and spending quite a bit of coin in the process. They just are not building new rides, big deal, they are poised for the long run, not short term fads.
The MK is one big construction site. DAK is too. As is WS, whereas at FW nearly every pavilion got a major overhaul the past decade and a bit. Only DHS is underinvested in, but there is a lit of movement behind the scenes, Disney apparantly unable to setle on any one of th many proposed plans. Meanwhile Disney Springs is a humongous cosntruction project, and DVC is built everywhere. Ride the monorail around Seven Seas Lagoon, the TTC's ferry dock is under construction, the Contemporary recently got an entire new tower, the entrance to the MK is a big construction site, as is the GF, and the Poly.

DL for it's part just emerged from a $1.5 billion overhaul.

It is no wonder Wall Street was imploring TWDC to clamp down on investment and focus on exploiting current assets. The parks and resorts are seeing massive investments. It's just not the investents us foamers would like to see. Disney is less fun to visit than it is to own stock in and look at their price jump up every time you press the refresh button on your online investment program.
 

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