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marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
It was Georgie K talking about the legacy of the park and the challenges they faced when opening it...basically stating that there will be challenges with MM+ and the CM's are all in it together, just like they were in 1971.
Thanks for the laugh.

Comparing WDWs legacy, design and opening with a bureaucratic, bloated, unneeded potential disaster of astronomical proportions shows how out of touch the pencil pushers really are in Orlando.

Tell George a lot of CMs that I know hate MM+ And everything associated with it.
 

Lord_Vader

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Maybe it's just me but I strongly disagree with running a company this way. The problem with bleeding your customer dry is that when they run dry, they don't have anything left to give... and when they realize what you're doing, they may not come back.

Yes, WDW can increase ticket/parking prices $_______ and get away with it. Yes, WDW can charge exorbitant amounts for resorts while slashing service and get away with it. Yes, WDW can cut show quality, maintenance, slash attraction budgets etc. and get away with it. You get the idea... if you want to max out your price point, you can.

The thing is though, budgeting customers aren't going to exceed their budgets. When the price points on ticketing and resorts are stressing those budgets, people cut. They cut dining. They stay off-site. They skip the shops. They chop a day off their vacation. You're not going to get an extra dollar from people stretching their dollar already.

Customers who aren't concerned about budgets won't have those issues, but they'll instead see the declining quality and value for their dollar and stay away. They'll take a vacation to Europe instead of Orlando. They'll stay at a 5 star resort and eat at a 5 star restaurant instead of paying for one in name only.

Increasing quality and having fair prices runs counter to the methodology above.

Yet, when budget conscious customers are getting a great deal on tickets and resorts, they can afford to eat on property or buy more merchandise. When the quality is increased, the quality consicious customer finds more offerings worth spending their money on. Both find ways to spend their budgets anyway. Even more importantly, when customers feel like they've gotten great value for their money, they become repeat customers.

What I hate about the MM+ investment is that it shows management believes the best way to operate is to milk the current customer base through targeted marketing and tracking rather than grow through re-investment in the parks.

WDW 4 park attendance from 2008-2012 has grown from 47.1M to 48.5M (roughly 3%). In that same timeframe, the US population has grown approximately 3.2%. Attendance is stagnant. They're not growing. Meanwhile, Universal spends a fraction of MM+'s budget on Potter and attendance at IoA jumps from 5.95M in 2010 to 7.98M in 2012 (34% increase).

Invest in your customers and they'll invest in you. Nickel and dime your customers and they'll nickel and dime you right back.

TDO doesn't seem to understand based on their business strategy, but it is indeed possible to kill the golden goose.

To be clear, I don't agree at all with running a corporation the way most are run.

Most guests that stay in WDW at their resorts do so for proximity, that is the ammenity that is worth so much money for most guests. It is the oldest rule in real estate... Location, location, location. Same reason an empty lot in a bad neighborhood sells for $1500 while the same size lot in a high-end neighborhood sells for $25,000. Same dirt, different location.

Budget concious customers will always search out a good deal, we do but are not in as much of a limited resource situation as many guests but that makes me lucky to a point. I don't believe TDO wants to grow their base too much, right now MK in particular is bursting at the seams and cannot seem to handle too many more guests and maintain any level of experience.

Never forget too, value is a perception. I purchase iPhones/iPads/Mac because the hardware is generally highly quality, lasts for many years with little to no repair and the resale value after a few years is very high compared to the general competition.

Do you really want to see a 34% jump in attendance at MK? I certainly do not want to see anything of the sort, it is already too crowded right now and would require multiple new attractions to handle many more guests, more trams, buses, boats, larger parking lots, wider roads, more toll booths, etc. to handle the additional guests. In my 20,000 foot view those are the infrastructure things they are working on right now so they can grow in the long term. It is a sad reality but those infrastucture projects have to come first or the initial customer experience is a nightmare and they will not come back even if the attractions far exceed their expectations. Personally, I view what they are working on as very important to my experience.

In the last few years TDO has increased the size of the bus fleet and the bus stops at MK, increased the ferryboat capacity by double, they are automating the monorail system to increase capacity, adding more concrete (not my favorite project) to MK hub and reworking the flow through it, creating a semi-permanant bypass for exiting the MK, added larger restrooms in Fantasyland/Liberty Square, and Expanded Fantasyland/Circusland to name a few. Most of these projects signal a shift to infrastructure improvements designed to expand the capacity of the park as a whole.

TDO is faced with the fact that nearly everyone that comes to WDW visits the MK as their priority, the rest of the parks are a bonus so the park capacity must be expanded before any major new attractions should be added to improve the experience we all hold so dear.
 

PeterAlt

Well-Known Member
Pixar president recalls a 'transformation' undergone by Apple co-founder Steve Jobs
By Neil Hughes
Friday, April 4, 2014 @ 12:35 PM


Ed Catmull, Steve Jobs, and John Lasseter.http://www.amazon.com/Creativity-In...=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1616084731


Pixar Animation Studios President Ed Catmull talks about the relationship between Jobs and the studio in his upcoming book "Creativity, Inc.: Overcoming the Unseen Forces That Stand in the Way of True Inspiration." An excerpt from the title was publishedon Friday by Gizmodo, and it reveals a side of Jobs that most people never saw.

Catmull worked with Jobs for more than 25 years, and believes that his time at Pixar helped to fundamentally change him as a person. Specifically, Catmull said the experience made him "more sensitive not only to other people's feelings but also to their value as contributors to the creative process."

The Pixar president revealed that Jobs was especially proud of the studio because its movies, which "dig for deeper truths," will live forever. Jobs was said to admit that even well-designed Apple products "eventually all ended up in landfills," but a well-made movie could live on.

"While he never lost his intensity, we watched him develop the ability to listen," Catmull said. "More and more, he could express empathy and caring and patience. He became truly wise. The change in him was real, and it was deep."

Catmull also revealed that Jobs would give advice at Pixar in a humble fashion, noting up front that he was "not really a filmmaker" and that people could choose to "ignore everything" that he said. When Jobs's take was sought, he would focus on the problems rather than the filmmakers.

"You couldn't dismiss Steve," he said. "Every film he commented on benefited from his insight."



Those skills developed over the years, Catmull said, as the Apple co-founder learned to "read the room" and have the greatest impact on people. That's not to say that Jobs "mellowed" in his old age — Catmull argues that the transformation of Jobs was an "active one."

"He continued to engage; he just changed the way he went about it," he said.

Catmull is the co-founder of Pixar, along with Jobs and John Lasseter. His new book "Creativity, Inc." will be released next Tuesday, and it is available now for preorder.
 

TalkingHead

Well-Known Member
Shame about Curious George, possibly the most under-rated attraction in Orlando. Has a simple Gatorland/Dinosaur World vibe you just don't see in the big parks.

Funny you mention it. When I was in the park a few weeks ago, my wife and I wandered through Kidzone, since we'd never been past ET. The Curious George area looked a lot better than I expected it to. Very colorful, and looks surprisingly large.
 

TalkingHead

Well-Known Member
Universal has multiple cakes and are eating them too.

So to recap:

There's a crane onsite at the Kong plot, suggesting construction will start soon.
By the end of this summer, a good chunk of Kidzone's going to be razed.
And there are still tree markers by Trike Encounter at IOA.

That could point to three cakes under construction simultaneously.

(Although I'm starting to be skeptical about the Trike Encounter plot.) But at this point, nothing Universal does surprises me.
 

Lord_Vader

Join me, together we can rule the galaxy.
Thanks for the laugh.

Comparing WDWs legacy, design and opening with a bureaucratic, bloated, unneeded potential disaster of astronomical proportions shows how out of touch the pencil pushers really are in Orlando.

Tell George a lot of CMs that I know hate MM+ And everything associated with it.

I can tell you their data systems were in dire need of major changes to continue to handle new and evolving guest requirements. Not all the new "features" were required, I get that, but much of the expense to upgrade the number of individual systems to today's standards is the reason the system upgrades were needed. The new features were the way DIS was able to get the update budgets approved.

I do think, in the long term, this will give DIS an edge in both capturing a customer and customer retention. Right now, there is a substantial amount of pain being inflicted mostly on experienced guests and castmembers due to the massive overhaul of every process that had evolved at TDO since 1971 including all the customer facing systems such as their webportals, FP, ticketing and reservation systems.

There is always a risk when trying to change direction for any enterprise the size of TDO, I would hardly call it a disaster yet as it is still in development.
 

GiveMeTheMusic

Well-Known Member
There is always a risk when trying to change direction for any enterprise the size of TDO, I would hardly call it a disaster yet as it is still in development.

That would all be fine and dandy if it was designed or implemented by anyone who truly knew the theme park business and how it operates. MM+ reeks of cluelessness, and they'll pay the price for that cluelessness at some point. There's a reason processes evolve - they work. Upgrading IT doesn't have to interfere with what has proven to work.
 

Lord_Vader

Join me, together we can rule the galaxy.
That would all be fine and dandy if it was designed or implemented by anyone who truly knew the theme park business and how it operates. MM+ reeks of cluelessness, and they'll pay the price for that cluelessness at some point. There's a reason processes evolve - they work. Upgrading IT doesn't have to interfere with what has proven to work.

That depends on when in the process the migration occurs and how it scales. The old systems may have been using database structure/designes that severely limited its scale and ability to change due to short-sightness back then.

I am not saying this project has been handled well only that I do believe it was absolutely necessary for the long term growth strategy TDO has for the WDW as a whole. Now, many of the features were not necessary for the project to work but may have absolutely been necessary for the project to get funded in the first place.

Nobody cares that the servers/databases were built long ago and are no longer supported for parts or software until they break.
 

Captain Neo

Well-Known Member
Who says they can't have both?

Me. Jurassic Park island should be for Jurassic Park rides only. Especially considering JP is getting revived soon and the last King Kong movie was a flop that came out 10 years ago. They can go make room for King Kong somewhere else.
 

GLaDOS

Well-Known Member
Me. Jurassic Park island should be for Jurassic Park rides only. Especially considering JP is getting revived soon and the last King Kong movie was a flop that came out 10 years ago. They can go make room for King Kong somewhere else.

King Kong 2005 made more money than either of the JP sequels.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
One of my favorite quotes from the chapter reads:

"Whose dream are you trying to make come true: yours or your child's?

"Young children read their parents' emotions. When you ask, 'Honey, how would you like to go to Disney World?' your child will respond more to your smile and enthusiasm than to any notion of what Disney World is all about. The younger the child, the more this holds true. From many preschoolers, you could elicit the same excitement by asking, 'Sweetie, how would you like to go to Cambodia on a dogsled?'"...​

...We knew all along that the trips were for Mom and Dad. :)

Very true. It doesnt bother me if parents push their kids around MK in a stroller until 3 AM. But Ive seen kids passed out in the stroller and parents park the stroller, take the kid out and wait in line to ride Peter Pan while they hold the sleeping child. Why? Or Ive seen parents wake up the sleeping child to get in line for an attraction. Again, why?

One thing I cant stand, and my sister was guilty of this, is when parents use a stroller for kids that do not need it. Im talking about kids past the age of 6. It makes them lazy and cranky if you ask me. It also promotes them to fall asleep. My sister would always yap at me and say, "when you have kids youll understand". Her kids always fell asleep multiple times throughout the day and I blamed the stroller. The few times I took them to a park by myself I never used the stroller and they ALWAYS stayed awake and we had fun. We talked, explored, shopped, ate, rode rides, and not once did they get cranky or whine about something. There is more than enough to keep kids active at WDW and I think when you plop them in a stroller all day every day it has a negative effect. Im not saying dont use a stroller ever, just not ALL the time. The kids will tire out a little earlier due to all the walking, but that can be a good thing and thats why afternoon naps are great and the parents get some R&R as well.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
Saw Cap 2 last night. Another hit right out of the park. What amazes me the most is Marvel found a way to recycle not one, not two, but three cheesy Silver Age villains that most studios would laugh out of the script room--and make them seem modern and realistic to the universe Marvel has created.

Not sure he'd want the chance, but imagine this guy being given the keys to Mickey, Donald, Horace, Clarabelle etc.

I may have saw it first thing today.... that was just so well done.

Amazing what happens when the studio doesn't interfere.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
I can tell you their data systems were in dire need of major changes to continue to handle new and evolving guest requirements. Not all the new "features" were required, I get that, but much of the expense to upgrade the number of individual systems to today's standards is the reason the system upgrades were needed. The new features were the way DIS was able to get the update budgets approved.

I do think, in the long term, this will give DIS an edge in both capturing a customer and customer retention. Right now, there is a substantial amount of pain being inflicted mostly on experienced guests and castmembers due to the massive overhaul of every process that had evolved at TDO since 1971 including all the customer facing systems such as their webportals, FP, ticketing and reservation systems.

There is always a risk when trying to change direction for any enterprise the size of TDO, I would hardly call it a disaster yet as it is still in development.

No one is arguing with the idea that WDW's technical infrastructure was not in dire need of complete overhaul.

What I'm saying is that mm+ is not the answer to that problem.
 

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