The Spirited Sixth Sense ...

GoofGoof

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Agree entirely. Tracking has an Orwellian tone which many of us do not like, If the tracking had benefits FOR the customer as well as Disney I don't believe it would be an issue at all.

The Casino's in Vegas track people all the time and they really pushed the envelope with facial recognition, It benefits the Casino and it benefits the customer as well by reducing crime and if someone has something stolen frequently security can catch the perp before they even get out the door.

That being said the Casino's KNOW the tracking is creepy to many people and as such they tightly hold the tracking data and DO NOT share it for marketing purposes this approach is diametrically opposed to Disney's we want to sell this data to everyone model.

I go out of my way to be "tracked" at a casino. If I'm there gambling and nobody knows it I'm missing out. I don't need a wrist band I am willing handing over my players card to get rated.

In a way the facial recognition aspect is a little creepy as well as knowing all those cameras are around and people are always watching you, but a few cocktails later and I'm usually over it:cool:
 

WDW1974

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Want to hear something positive about Disney? From moi?

OK, but it isn't about WDW or any of the parks.

I took my Spirited Dad to see Muppets Most Wanted this afternoon because one of my happy childhood memories is of watching the Muppet Show on TV together. It was great entertainment because it was something that was made for children and adults, not dumb kids entertainment (see much of what Disney does today) and featured some of the biggest names in show business.

Anyway, we both enjoyed the film quite a bit. It's not deep. But Muppets isn't supposed to be Gravity or 12 Years a Slave deep. It's supposed to put a smile on your face. It did.

Quite fun ... and it even spoke to me with the second big musical number 'I'm No. 1 (and You're No. 2)' ... I can see @Lee and I doing our own special version of that song (so long as Lee remembers his place!)

Lots of cameos, some I was aware of, some that surprised me. Bottom line was a family film with a lot of heart. They preceded it with a Monsters U short that I also thought was enjoyable.

Please let's keep this post away from the Oswald lover!
 

WDW1974

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His Twitter feed is... special. Especially when you consider the characters he's tweeting at when he's not kibitzing with lifestylers and threatening members of WDWMagic (and other online communities).

I remember looking at what he was putting on his twitter account and who he was communicating with over Winter and well what he was doing wasn't very PG almost into the deviant category.

Oh yeah, there is some big time mental illness at play with this one. No, I am not joking.
 

WDW1974

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I don't know your friends--well, I guess I know a couple of them, maybe even a few given LBV is really just a small town--but there's two things to keep in mind.

To be fair, I probably should have specified that I was talking about friends 30 and under. Folks who moved to the town to go to school and work at the theme parks, get recognized for their skills and abilities and have careers.

Well, we all know that talent gets you nowhere alone and I don't know anyone who is in that category who isn't sad and adrift. They don't want to be Disney Lifestylers, yet staying in dead-end, low-paying jobs in that town will do exactly that. Hell, just staying in that town and hanging out in theme parks all the time will do that to you. It isn't life.

One, that's true of most everywhere in Florida, at least the transient tourist towns. Yankees and Heartlanders moving to Florida to escape their problems predates WDW by decades, but to quote Uncle Remus, "you can't run away from trouble, there's no place that far." People in the corrupt, drug-ridden hellhole that is Daytona always seemed far unhappier than anyone I've met in Orlando, and I had three friends move to Miami in the past 2 years--none are still there.

Florida, unless you are very rich or live in some tiny redneck town, is a transient, tourist place. Orlando is only worse because it has the theme parks, which some people would say makes them better ...I admit on a nice Friday night that if I were living upstate, I may well have been walking around one of Disney or UNI's parks right now.

But this just isn't a very nice state, greatly overrated weather aside. Hell, we have evil incarnate running the place from Tally (gotta love how Governor Voldy thinks $33,000 cover charges for hospital visits are just fine ... of course, he'll get reelected because we have the dumbest electorate as well!)

Two, how to put this delicately. The people in Orlando who ARE happy and enjoy life down here--they don't spend a lot of time on message boards and Twitter discussing WDW. They're too busy with their jobs and their families. The Disney fan community is self-created by people who can bother to be fanatical about Disney in the first place..

I agree with a chunk of that, although I know plenty of online fans who have families, jobs (some quite kewl and well-paying) and lives way beyond a fan site. ... But I also don't find Orlando to be a happy place largely except for college kids and retirees.
 

WDW1974

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I don't know guys. Everyone has a beef with where they live. But right now, Orlando sounds fantastic compared to this crapshoot. It's 31 degrees and I haven't seen sunshine in so long that I fear I've forgotten what it looks like.

This winter will never end.

That sounds awful ... but Florida's climate is vastly overrated. It is absolutely blissful here now, but the best months of the year in FL are ALWAYS March, April and May. ... This isn't Southern California, we don't have a very liveable climate most of the time.
 

AngieTink27

Active Member
Every friend that I have who lives in O-Town seems to be miserable. Some who work for Disney, some who work for UNI, some who work for themselves.
That is shame because DH, kids and I were thinking about moving down there from Indiana one year soon to be closer to the magic. Yet everything we read or learn about the area is negative, saying no jobs, high cost of living, and so on. it gets rather depressing but is still a dream of ours some day.
 

WDW1974

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Thats why i moved SOUTH. Still warm, better job market, slightly less traffic (very slightly), and far less tourists (tho that has been steadily increasing these days). And hey, I get to drive by not one, but TWO disney cruise lines every day.

How do you do that? We only have one ship in Miami ...

Living in North Fort Lauderdale, I work in Coral Gables (about a mile from the University of Miami). The commute is brutal, but you could never pay me enough to live in Miami.

You are relatively close to me. ... And while I wouldn't live in Miami, I wouldn't pass up a nice, older home down in the Gables. About the only part of Miami-Dade that I wouldn't mind living in.
 

WDW1974

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I find it fascinating that the it's the INDIA edition of Forbes which brought this forward, Not the government lapdog press we have in 'Murica I find it disturbing that I need to get my news from BBC/Times of India and wait for it PRAVDA! Unfortunately Fox is the best of a bad lot in the US - the only thing that can be said about them is they are the only news organization which presents BOTH sides of the story.

How I long for the days of Walter Cronkite and Brinkly etc...

I find it just as fascinating that no one really wants to talk about it ... I'm leaving my opinions out, largely, and still ... nothing.

I guess folks are afraid to type anything into their computers with letters like NSA, CIA or FBI in them. It isn't entirely different from the attitudes of people back in Germany in the 1930s and 40s.
 

WDW1974

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Wristbands are the least of your worries if you are concerned. You have a smart phone? Do you use a web browser? Those gather far more personal data more frequently, and typically used for more devious things you wish to acknowledge because hey...why complain about those!? Disney is the only thing tracking us!

Absolutely agree. ... But we are all (well, I'm not) sheep. I don't own an iPhone and didn't have a smartphone until 2012. I still sometimes take the battery out of it and the SIM just for the heck of it.

We apparently gave up our right to privacy and I must have missed that vote!
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I find it just as fascinating that no one really wants to talk about it ... I'm leaving my opinions out, largely, and still ... nothing.

I guess folks are afraid to type anything into their computers with letters like NSA, CIA or FBI in them. It isn't entirely different from the attitudes of people back in Germany in the 1930s and 40s.

Attitudes are not much different from 1930's Germany I find that scary in the extreme, I've brought up this subject before and was called a 'conspiracy theorist' etc
 

wdisney9000

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I had no problems with my magic band on my last trip, I actually kinda liked them, but they aren't going to bring in crowds. Why can't the people calling the shots see this

Good call. Too bad the magic band's get a bad image from the oversell of MM+. I probly wouldn't mind them if they hadn't been shoved down my throat as the most magical enhancement ever created that I MUST have or else my vacation suffers.
 

WDW1974

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@WDW1974 asked for charts, so here's another chart. :D

In case anyone doubts WDW has a growing hotel room occupancy problem that’s tied to theme park ticket prices, the following chart represents the number of empty domestic room nights. (Each year, one hotel room has 365 “available room nights”. Nights that room is unoccupied represents an empty room night.)

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Ten years ago, Disney’s domestic resorts languished in a post-9/11 economy, causing the number of empty rooms to hover around 2 million annually, an all-time high.

To jumpstart WDW, Disney created the a la carte Magic Your Way (MYW) ticket in 2005 to allow guests to select only those options they wanted (or could afford), rather than have to purchase the previous all-inclusive ticket. The new format made multiday vacations more affordable and, bolstered by Disney’s Magic Express (DME), resulted in a vastly improved hotel occupancy rate.

As the economy once again worsened in the late 2000s, Disney offered deep onsite discounts, helping WDW briefly preserve occupancies.

However, these deep discounts impacted Parks & Resorts (P&R) gross margins and, as a result, Disney leadership decided to offer less generous discounts, causing a steep rise in the number of empty rooms.

Coupled with continued aggressive ticket price increases, the number of empty rooms has climbed further, with 2013 setting the dubious company record for most unoccupied hotel nights in a year.

When guests cannot afford both tickets and onsite stays, they either don’t vacation at WDW or don’t stay onsite. WDW attendance is strong and suggests that, for now, they are opting to stay offsite.

Continued price increases will only worsen WDW’s growing problem.

“Perpetual price increase” is not a viable long-term business strategy.

Disney leadership is walking a tightrope and needs to step carefully.

Will they?

Or have they become so entrenched in their thinking that they have failed to correctly diagnose the warning signs.

MyMagic+ was supposed to be the cure. Right now, the cure might very well turn out to be worse than the disease.

We really should meet and talk sometime! :)

Oh, and obviously, I agree with all of the above.

I think we're looking at another DVC announcement this year, btw.
 

WDW1974

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Nah, I have to disagree. The last thing they want to advertise or bring any attention to is the fact that your kid can get lost at WDW. The smart thing is to just stay far away from that topic.

Yep. This times 10000. Disney doesn't want to ever broach the subject that something awful could possibly happen to a child on its property.
 

WDW1974

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Sorry for the digression, but I just got back from Muppets Most Wanted....

--Overall, a great film. 8.5/10. The second-best Muppet heist film! Very funny, campy fun, but cluttered, overcomplicated plot-wise with some cliches the Muppets are usually known for making fun of. Plus an ending that reminded me of Cars 2...I'll let that speak for itself.

--Better songs than Frozen? Yup.

--Might be labelled as francophobic. Though if you read between the lines its probably satirizing 'Merica more.

--Did some of the cameos look like they were reading a teleprompter? Regardless, would have been nice to see Diana Rigg score one.

--Rizzo is still shafted.

--Worst part? The unfunny Monsters University short that preceded it. Ugh. Way to keep pushing party culture in a room packed with kids! (ok sure, they're drinking "Monster" drinks) (not the energy drink...except they did look like them) (and I'm no puritan either...okay, I am trying to think of a better word than unwholesome...)

-- @WDW1974 might enjoy a (spoiler) minor plot point/twist that involves corrupt journalists...

--Lastly...there's a nice reminder before the credits that the film is based on DISNEY'S property and characters. Again, I'll let that speak for itself...though I'd be pretty upset if I were a Henson relative.

Agree with most of your opinions except the MU short. I liked it. Sure it was about a college party ... those tend to happen in the real world and I in no way thought it was glorifying that part of college life (but I am not the parent of an eight-year-old either).
 

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