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Soarin' Over Pgh

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I dont see anything wrong with these logo combinations.
Dreamworks always changes the moon logo to feature the movie characters..
from Jack Frost, the pinguins of madagascar to Sherman for example..
they just need to do it... WITH STYLE ;)




speaking of creature ops, I really loved the reality show of the guys who fought to be recognized as makeup and FX experts..
some of the stuff there was amazing.


Face off! It's currently on air. I love that show!
 

lebeau

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I have good news/bad news for those who want me to get over my latest obsession (WD/TW merger)! The good news is that I found another possible merger target for Disney - AMC Networks (formerly Rainbow Media). Check out their assets!

(From Wikipedia)

AMC Networks Inc. is an entertainment company in the United States that owns the cable channels AMC, IFC, WE tv, and SundanceTV; the art house movie theater IFC Center in New York City, and the independent film company IFC Films.


WE tv could be folded nicely into Lifetime Networks. Disney could certainly use a new label for independent productions, and the cable networks to air them on!

This isn't nearly as big or glamorous as a merger with TW, which leads me to my bad news - I haven't given up on that idea.

I thought Rainbow Media also owns Starz and Encore... I guess not. Starz and Encore should be acquired as well, separately.

If TW spins off CNN, then Disney could pursue just CNN, or just TW without CNN (and without Time, assuming that is spun off). Disney could then make separate deals for CNN and TW, depending on the urgency for either assets.

There really ought to be a separate forum for rampant, unchecked speculation.
 

ratherbeinwdw

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Oh man! That sounds awesome. Yet another reason to check out Atlanta. I'll see if I can find anything online since I'm a half days drive away :) thanks for that!

Such a missed opportunity on Disneys part. I really wish they would do more with the Muppets and ...well all of Hensens creations. I'm assuming they have the rights to...?
I just looked and they do have a Fraggle Rock exhibit right now.
 

lazyboy97o

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Question: why is Disney releasing SW under the WDP logo, not Touch Stone? I thought WDP was mainly used for G rated productions....
For somebody who claims to watch the industry so closely, surely you would know that has not been true in years. Walt Disney Pictures now releases films up to PG-13, including one in the past year. And where is it confirmed Star Wars - Episode VII will be released under the Walt Disney Pictures banner? Disney could just use the Lucasfilm banner the way the Marvel films are only being released under the Marvel Studios banner.

Because just he doesn't release anything under Touchstone anymore?
Yes, the Google search took me to Wikipedia which shows a list of all Touchstone pictures including recent and upcoming films. You have something that indicates that Touchstone is not currently active?

Edit: Here's a Google search. You can get back to me.
Touchstone is primarily being used for the DreamWorks films at the present time.
 

Cesar R M

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I would be conform as well ;)
Face off! It's currently on air. I love that show!
That one! love their creations!
and love the fact that they show some of the techniques they use!
(even if I dislike the usual dumb drama and sabotage between themselves)

For somebody who claims to watch the industry so closely, surely you would know that has not been true in years. Walt Disney Pictures now releases films up to PG-13, including one in the past year. And where is it confirmed Star Wars - Episode VII will be released under the Walt Disney Pictures banner? Disney could just use the Lucasfilm banner the way the Marvel films are only being released under the Marvel Studios banner.



Touchstone is primarily being used for the DreamWorks films at the present time.
so.. Disney as pretty much almost all the animation movies under their movie labels? (WDP for their own creations, touchstone for other releases)
 

Bacalou

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For somebody who claims to watch the industry so closely, surely you would know that has not been true in years. Walt Disney Pictures now releases films up to PG-13, including one in the past year. And where is it confirmed Star Wars - Episode VII will be released under the Walt Disney Pictures banner? Disney could just use the Lucasfilm banner the way the Marvel films are only being released under the Marvel Studios banner.
I agree

AFAIK, Lucasfilms still exists as does Marvel. The first Marvel movie under the Disney banner was The Avengers and while it was distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures, it held the production studio name of Marvel Studios. It would be definitely safe to assume that Star Wars EP 7 will retain Lucasfilm as well.
 

FigmentJedi

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The Center for Puppetry Arts in Atlanta had a wonderful display of the some of the original Fraggle dolls/puppets.
They had them in a scene from one of the shows and had it enclosed in a large glass case. They also have one of an original Big Bird-full size- and a Kermit. All are in glass cases.
I think the Fraggle scene might have been a temporary exhibit, but I haven't been in a while so I'm not sure. They also had a temporary exhibit of The Dark Crystal characters.
The Big Bird and Kermit have been there every time we've gone. They also have a wonderful Jim Henson room, with video and many other characters.
I haven't been in a couple of years, but we used to go regularly to see the shows. They were amazing.
That stuff was an extended temp exhibit that is now closed, but all the stuff in there will be part of a permanent Jim Henson Exhibit that serves as the anchor to their current expansion project.
 

Goofyernmost

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Even when I go, I think it's overpriced. Sometimes you bite the bullet.

I'm partially kidding when I use the word "suckers" but only partially. There are a lot of people who just aren't being smart with their vacation dollar. Or who don't know what else is out there because they have been blinded by Pixie Dust. There are a lot of suckers. But not everyone who goes frequently is one.
If at some point in time you find yourself alone, the memories of fun that you had with your children and family are priceless. At some point in time you may find yourself in that position. At some point in time you may just want to go there, sit on a bench look around and remember those time so long ago. That time reinvigorates the soul and makes one want to continue on regardless of how many people feel that they are fools for spending money in a place that they perceive as "not as good as it once was" or "overpriced".

I'm no longer forced to "bite the bullet", I bite it willingly because even though money cannot buy happiness it can buy someone a chance to feel good, to escape realities and feel the warmth again. I have, even with my kids, used Disney as an escape. I could spend my time analyzing if it is as good as it once was and would probably completely fall into the same negativism that others seem to find in the place. That doesn't mean that I don't notice things but I do not force myself to seek them out, and I hopefully never will, but, even though you were kidding (to some degree) to be called a sucker, a rube, a pixie duster and whatever else the "cool kids" care to label it, just shows how insensitive that a lot of the most vocal, better then thou, people really are.

If anyone doesn't like Disney's way or thinks others are fools because they like it, then their job is to be sure that they never set foot in the place again. It must be torture to tolerate that. Remember that none of us, including yourselves, have any control over Disney and how they do business. If at some point they do some major thing that stops people from going, then they will all get their due. Until then, every bit of contemplation of how much better Disney could be run, is strictly speculation. It is hard for me to understand how anyone, and I do mean anyone, that is CEO caliber has the time to be spending on WDWmagic for hours on end. But, what do I know.

Disney is an icon. It established itself years ago as the place to go. It's like a comedian that is thought to be really funny. (Robin Williams, for example) He could read a weather report and people would laugh, it's human nature. Disney sends a message passed down and, if not completely, maintained that image for the 50 years since Walt died. It isn't being a sucker, it is being true to themselves and not allowing outside opinions (not facts) to dampen what they are trying to achieve. Fun, Joy, Memories and Laughter and regardless of how much Disney has slipped downward in the eyes of some, it is still providing that in sufficient quantities to keep people happy and paying the asking price, because they have found something that made it all worth it.

BTW, even though I quoted you, this is not only directed at you. There are many that feel that they contain superior knowledge, tastes and cultural standing and therefore can cast judgment over the "infidels" and save them from themselves. I, for one, will let you know when I need saving, until then lets all try and be a little more understanding and aware of the fact that we all are different people with different stories and to file all of us under one heading is a little bit pompous.
 

PeterAlt

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For somebody who claims to watch the industry so closely, surely you would know that has not been true in years. Walt Disney Pictures now releases films up to PG-13, including one in the past year. And where is it confirmed Star Wars - Episode VII will be released under the Walt Disney Pictures banner? Disney could just use the Lucasfilm banner the way the Marvel films are only being released under the Marvel Studios banner.



Touchstone is primarily being used for the DreamWorks films at the present time.
Thanks for the information. I used to follow the industry more carefully, and used to subscribe to all the industry newsletters. I don't subscribe to any anymore. I do go online now every few months and try to catch up with the newsletters, but my search is more specific, rather than a cache all search. Even if I did, I wouldn't claim to be an expert, just someone who knows a little more than the average person off the street - and probably about the same as most here, generally speaking. In this area, you know more than I do.
 

71jason

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If these were just released as is, with no association with the Princess line, i doubt it would have made a blip on the toy popularity spreadsheets.

Except, as has been pointed out elsewhere in the thread, they were and did. As My Little Pony and Littlest Pet Shop. My beef isn't with Disney's naked cash grab, it's with their blatant rip-off of another company's intellectual property. It just feels cheap and sleazy. Other companies are supposed to rip-off Disney (like the cheap cash-in DVDs), no vice versa.
 

lebeau

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Thanks for the information. I used to follow the industry more carefully, and used to subscribe to all the industry newsletters. I don't subscribe to any anymore. I do go online now every few months and try to catch up with the newsletters, but my search is more specific, rather than a cache all search. Even if I did, I wouldn't claim to be an expert, just someone who knows a little more than the average person off the street - and probably about the same as most here, generally speaking. In this area, you know more than I do.

The average guy off the street doesn't have this much misinformation. Based on your posts, it seems like you fit the old addage about "knowing enough to be dangerous". Those specific searches could be the problem. You're going out looking for info that backs up your theory. And of course you find it because the internet is loaded with misinformation. You can find back-up for just about anything if you look for it.

I would suggest looking at fewer sources. Just the reputable ones. But expand the types of stories you follow. Then you will have more accurate info while also having a broader understanding of the industry as a whole.

Also, while speculation can be fun, there's a time and place. ;)
 

lebeau

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Except, as has been pointed out elsewhere in the thread, they were and did. As My Little Pony and Littlest Pet Shop. My beef isn't with Disney's naked cash grab, it's with their blatant rip-off of another company's intellectual property. It just feels cheap and sleazy. Other companies are supposed to rip-off Disney (like the cheap cash-in DVDs), no vice versa.

I had wondered why this rubbed me the wrong way. I think you summed it up.
 

lebeau

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If at some point in time you find yourself alone, the memories of fun that you had with your children and family are priceless. At some point in time you may find yourself in that position. At some point in time you may just want to go there, sit on a bench look around and remember those time so long ago. That time reinvigorates the soul and makes one want to continue on regardless of how many people feel that they are fools for spending money in a place that they perceive as "not as good as it once was" or "overpriced".

I'm no longer forced to "bite the bullet", I bite it willingly because even though money cannot buy happiness it can buy someone a chance to feel good, to escape realities and feel the warmth again. I have, even with my kids, used Disney as an escape. I could spend my time analyzing if it is as good as it once was and would probably completely fall into the same negativism that others seem to find in the place. That doesn't mean that I don't notice things but I do not force myself to seek them out, and I hopefully never will, but, even though you were kidding (to some degree) to be called a sucker, a rube, a pixie duster and whatever else the "cool kids" care to label it, just shows how insensitive that a lot of the most vocal, better then thou, people really are.

If anyone doesn't like Disney's way or thinks others are fools because they like it, then their job is to be sure that they never set foot in the place again. It must be torture to tolerate that. Remember that none of us, including yourselves, have any control over Disney and how they do business. If at some point they do some major thing that stops people from going, then they will all get their due. Until then, every bit of contemplation of how much better Disney could be run, is strictly speculation. It is hard for me to understand how anyone, and I do mean anyone, that is CEO caliber has the time to be spending on WDWmagic for hours on end. But, what do I know.

Disney is an icon. It established itself years ago as the place to go. It's like a comedian that is thought to be really funny. (Robin Williams, for example) He could read a weather report and people would laugh, it's human nature. Disney sends a message passed down and, if not completely, maintained that image for the 50 years since Walt died. It isn't being a sucker, it is being true to themselves and not allowing outside opinions (not facts) to dampen what they are trying to achieve. Fun, Joy, Memories and Laughter and regardless of how much Disney has slipped downward in the eyes of some, it is still providing that in sufficient quantities to keep people happy and paying the asking price, because they have found something that made it all worth it.

BTW, even though I quoted you, this is not only directed at you. There are many that feel that they contain superior knowledge, tastes and cultural standing and therefore can cast judgment over the "infidels" and save them from themselves. I, for one, will let you know when I need saving, until then lets all try and be a little more understanding and aware of the fact that we all are different people with different stories and to file all of us under one heading is a little bit pompous.

Kidding aside, when we are at Disney World, we have fun. It's not torture. I don't force myself to see the state of decline. I force myself NOT to see it. I'm glad you and others like it as much as you do.

Honestly, you kind of rambled in the middle and you lost me more than once. If I'm following your argument, it seems to be that you love the Disney brand enough to overlook the resort's short-comings. Man, that's just drinking the Kool-aid. I'm not trying to be one of the cool kids or insensitive or holier-than-thou, but people who do that are not unsuckerlike. Just my $.02.

The "CEOs don't spend time on forums" or "we can't control it so why bother" arguments are weak. Why discuss anything at all if 1. Only CEOs have valid opinions and 2. Opinions only matter if you are in a position to make changes. So let's just retire those lines of thought.
 

ratherbeinwdw

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That stuff was an extended temp exhibit that is now closed, but all the stuff in there will be part of a permanent Jim Henson Exhibit that serves as the anchor to their current expansion project.
I checked again and even though the picture attached to current exhibits is Fraggle Rock, if I click on it, it shows a different exhibit.
I'm glad it will become part of a permanent exhibit. It was so neat and nostalgic. The Dark Crystal one was really impressive also.
 

PeterAlt

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The average guy off the street doesn't have this much misinformation. Based on your posts, it seems like you fit the old addage about "knowing enough to be dangerous". Those specific searches could be the problem. You're going out looking for info that backs up your theory. And of course you find it because the internet is loaded with misinformation. You can find back-up for just about anything if you look for it.

I would suggest looking at fewer sources. Just the reputable ones. But expand the types of stories you follow. Then you will have more accurate info while also having a broader understanding of the industry as a whole.

Also, while speculation can be fun, there's a time and place. ;)
What I meant by more specific searches is within the newsletters, such as "video over IP" or "fiber deployment". Or general new about Comcast or Verizon. Those types. I've been following Apple daily for the past three years of so.
 

alphac2005

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CNN is a brand name that is like Xerox to copies. They could make it work better than TW has. TW has really screwed it up. More people are starting to get their news from foreign news sources like Alkajerz (sp?) or BBC because they don't trust US media sources any more.... Fox is too conservative... MSNBC is to liberal... CNN isn't serious any more... ABC is just about the only untarnished US source left, but doesn't have multiple networks dedicated to news. A CNN merger would take care of that.

ABC News is untarnished? I'm not one to pull the I've done this and that card, but I was in the television media business for some time and the list of relatives of mine that are heavyweights that have been and are heavyweights in the business is pretty large. You simply don't know of what you're speaking of. No offense meant, but if you're going to present statements, be accurate, not throwing out opinions as reality.
 

PeterAlt

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ABC News is untarnished? I'm not one to pull the I've done this and that card, but I was in the television media business for some time and the list of relatives of mine that are heavyweights that have been and are heavyweights in the business is pretty large. You simply don't know of what you're speaking of. No offense meant, but if you're going to present statements, be accurate, not throwing out opinions as reality.
Please read my follow-up to that post. I corrected myself.
 

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