The Spirited Sixth Sense ...

lebeau

Well-Known Member
It wasn't meant as a marketing phrase just an emotional statement. You need the tone of voice to define it. If said properly, then yes it would sell a lot of over-priced vacations. Since we are picking out words, nothing is over-priced until people stop paying it. Until then it is high priced, nothing more.

I share your sentiment. It is a pretty nice place. It's priced like it's still a premium product which is currently debatable.
 

71jason

Well-Known Member
What IS it about Twitter that brings out the bats--t crazies, I don't care what the topic is the bats--t crazies are always found in the TWITverse...

Echo chamber effect. The majority of most people's "followers" are corporate accounts, pseudo-celebrities and jokey parody accounts--in other words, people not actually reading what you post. You post to maybe 5 friends, it created the illusion you're doing something more. And because it's your friends, no one ever challenges you, so it builds up a sense of "I must be right."

Contrast with this thread, where even a post by a nobody like me is probable more seen than 90% of WDW-related Tweets. And anything controversial I say is bound to bring a near-immediate response calling me out.
 

wdwmagic

Administrator
Moderator
Premium Member
You know how to kill all the fun, don't u...LOL
I'm all for fun, which is why I let so much more go here than I really should. But there are times when I feel it is best for our community to put the brakes on things before they spiral out of control. In my experience over the years, as soon as you bring in an outside community, be that another forum, or now in this case Twitter - it causes lots of unnecessary drama.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Percentage wise, I agree that it made more money, but actual dollars? No, and that is what stockholders are looking at. I'd rather have 10% of a Billion Dollars then 15% of a Million. Wouldn't you?

I see two different drumbeats. One from the fanbois perspective and one from the "way it used to be" perspective. If we all stopped looking at individual attractions and looked at the bigger picture, we would see that they have more to offer overall then every before and although the detail has been "valued" it is still a pretty nice place. Todays generation of park visitors are motivated to move as quickly as possible from spot to spot. FP started that garbage and we are looking at the end result now.

I'd rather have 23% percent return on a dollar invested, than the 15.1% on a dollar i'm getting today Disney is becoming much less efficient in its use of capital as compared to only 12 years ago.
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
Again, it's only overpriced to those that will no longer pay it. No one, in there right mind spends more money then necessary if they don't feel it's worth it to them.

Which makes it overpriced to some. I'd argue to many. But obviously, there's enough suckers out there to keep the place afloat for now. ;)
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
Again, it's only overpriced to those that will no longer pay it. No one, in there right mind spends more money then necessary if they don't feel it's worth it to them.
Again, which makes the decision subjective. Worth it to some, overpriced to others....

And let's face it, people who are not aware of the rise in room rates at WDW over the years are not going to know whether they're truly overpriced or not. So simply because people are willing to pay the rates doesn't mean they're not overpriced. It just means some don't know any better ...
 

71jason

Well-Known Member
And let's face it, people who are not aware of the rise in room rates at WDW over the years are not going to know whether they're truly overpriced or not.

If they've ever stayed in another hotel pretty much anywhere, they're going to know the rooms are overpriced. If they have access to the interwebs, they're going to know the rooms are overpriced.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
If they've ever stayed in another hotel pretty much anywhere, they're going to know the rooms are overpriced. If they have access to the interwebs, they're going to know the rooms are overpriced.
One would hope. But the way WDW sells the inclusiveness that comes with the rooms can lead people away from that realization....
 

rael ramone

Well-Known Member
One tidbit of news that will get buried here, and I am used to and OK with that, is that folks wondering why Disney is building what amounts to a second parade route adjacent to MSUSA on this 'second street bypass' are ASSuming that the entire project is simply what has been announced and not a larger project that will spread out over years and possibly change the whole front of the MK.

Emporium East & Emporium West?:mad:
 

alphac2005

Well-Known Member
That's why I think CNN would be better off operated under that umbrella.

CNN's domestic revenue continues to fall, which has been a major profit center for Time-Warner for many years, while CNN International has improved, it simply doesn't generate the same numbers as the domestic. Time-Warner has been looking at a CNN spinoff company and public offering for the past several years and the last I heard it might occur this year. The spinoff isn't a sign of health at CNN, rather being done for tax advantage attractiveness amongst other things.

CNN had revenue above where they should have for many years now as the premium that they charged for was based on their past ratings performance, sky high brand identity, and audience demographics. That ranged from the subscriber carriage fee by the cable/sat providers to advertisers. CNN no longer has that ability and it's one of the issues of the fallen ratings.

I have several friends working for them and CNN/Turner continues to be an excellent place of employment (minus the working them to death), but there are many, many issues within CNN. CNN is no profit center like the ESPN properties my friend, not even anywhere close.
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
Percentage wise, I agree that it made more money, but actual dollars? No, and that is what stockholders are looking at. I'd rather have 10% of a Billion Dollars then 15% of a Million. Wouldn't you?
In 2000, Disney's Parks & Resorts (P&R) operating income was $1.62B with a gross margin of 23.7%. Adjusted for inflation, that's $2.19B in 2013.

In 2013, P&R operating income was $2.22B with a gross margin of 15.8%

I know which one represents better financial performance.

P&R is broken.
 

PREMiERdrum

Well-Known Member
It's out there. Looks more like Littlest Pet Shop. Very shameless.

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FWIW, my 4 year old daughter absolutely LOVES the Palace Pets... She's seen Littlest Pet Shop stuff and never had any interest. The Princess tie-in sells it for her.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I'm just shocked by those who say "I already have 7 magicbands" or so number... wth it's not even been a year right?
I know lots of people around me still visiting Disney all the time... but I'm talking like once every few years or once a year. So when you aggregate across my view.. I see people going all the time. But individuals going THAT frequently in resorts?? No wonder Disney can charge these crazy prices.
 

alphac2005

Well-Known Member
This just made me laugh: An old friend of mine that I stay in touch with just posted on Facebook that he just went and tried to navigate through the awful MyMagic+ website and it was such a pain to do it, he wonders if maybe he made the wrong decision to even book a trip to WDW. Those are his words and that's something. Just a regular guy, a doctor who isn't a fanboi, and he's not so pleased.
 

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