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ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I understand that you have a greater understanding of infectious diseases such as Ebola and other potential public health and safety risks, and appreciate your contributions to the board, but frankly you appear to be grossly overreacting. Nobody is saying "Ebola can't happen here"; On the contrary, Ebola could strike the community in which you live (with a handful of potential cases) but never be seen within 100 miles of Walt Disney World. Or you could stay home - avoiding leisure travel to "manage' risk - only to have a fatal traffic accident or catch the flu, which despite the odds, proves lethal.

Managing risk is always prudent, but you can never eliminate all risk completely even if you literally lived in a cave. How much of life do you want to miss out on to avoid something that has a very, very slim chance of ever happening anyway?

My problem is I fly a LOT and I don't control the destinations so my risk profile is a lot higher than most people so minimizing the number of flights I take DOES minimize MY risk and those around me. For the average person the risk is much much much smaller.

I'm seriously disappointed in probably missing the last year of the Osborne lights and a few other favorites.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
a shame you have to cut a trip to WDW, but i do understand your rational per flying..
how well are the planes cleaned in the future must be a cause of concern for the airlines and customers..
and not just for Ebola, what about other infectious contaminants?

Having worked for the airlines I really feel bad for the MX crew who has to decontaminate that Frontier plane that is going to be as the Russians say "A cast iron b-----d" of a job.
 

the.dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
Your second sentence explains the difference between OLC and The Walt Disney Company (TWDC).

As their primary source of business, OLC's management team is focused on the amusement park business, often with decades of experience built from the ground-up. They understand the business.

Unfortunately, TWDC's Parks & Resorts leadership come from the "any good manager can manage anything" school of business.

Current Parks & Resorts Chairman, Tom Staggs, was an investment banker at Morgan Stanley before joining Disney.

Jay Rasulo, Chairman before him, came from Chase Manhattan and Marriot.

Paul Pressler came from a toy company and was well-known to be a 'numbers guy'. His post-Disney crash-and-burn performance at The Gap is well documented.

Along with CEO Bob Iger (from ABC), these corporate leaders look at Parks & Resorts from a financial perspective.

All organizations need a steady financial hand.

However, they also need creative leadership at the helm with a strong feel for the core business.

Parks & Resorts has suffered in the last dozen years exactly because none of these folks, or most of the people who report to them, have the good feel for their theme park product.
Worth noting that OLC is to Dai-Ichi Life Insurance Co. and other large institutional shareholders what Busch Gardens was to Anheiser Busch. It's a profitable high quality leisure product, not an ATM.
 

Next Big Thing

Well-Known Member
I like Arrow a lot too, although I don't watch it religiously so sometimes I'll miss a week or two and not get all that is happening. But I like it.

Shield just shows your Hillbilly tastes (or maybe Celebration Place has you on the check list!) Blacklist started great with Season 2, although Monday's outing was weak by its standards (so still pretty good).

And I just loved Walking Dead. I so agree, you either are The Butcher or the Cattle ... I had steak for dinner last night and a burger for lunch today ... so ... although I hear we have some veggies in our midst, right @SeaCastle ?

:)
Love your posts, but you really need to give SHIELD another chance. Maybe once it gets to Netflix (which tbh is one of it's problems right now). I'll be honest, I almost quit on the show, but once it got to the mid-season finale and then the Captain America episode, the show has been getting better and better every week.

It was seemingly finding it's footing through those first few episodes, what kind of show it even should be. Once they realized that being the NCIS episodic drama wasn't going to work, they tied things together and it's been great ever since.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
What's the chances that all of a sudden someone will develop a fever, start to vomit and have diarrhea while in a Disney Park. If they do will everyone in the park be quarantined in the park for 21 days at Disney's expense? I can see a plus side to this. :depressed:
So far there have only been voluntary quarantines. The woman on the cruise ship quarantined herself. I wonder if the cruise line will offer anything to her or the other passengers. My guess would be a free future cruise. For Disney that may be the ultimate tool to keep people on property and spending if they can't leave;)
 

Phil12

Well-Known Member
So far there have only been voluntary quarantines. The woman on the cruise ship quarantined herself. I wonder if the cruise line will offer anything to her or the other passengers. My guess would be a free future cruise. For Disney that may be the ultimate tool to keep people on property and spending if they can't leave;)
"New Jersey officials issued a mandatory quarantine order Friday night for members of an NBC crew that was exposed to a cameraman with Ebola after they said a voluntary 21-day isolation agreement was violated." http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/20..._quarantine_on_nbc_crew_exposed_to_ebola.html
 

OSUgirl77

Well-Known Member
And to add something totally different... There was some talk about how Frozen does not fit into Norway as Snow White or Rapunzel would not fit into Germany. I wrote something in reply about the role the Grimm Brother played in German history. And I just came across a podcast (yes, I know @WDW1974 will tell me how silly it is to listen to such strange things) produced by BBC Radio 4 about German history. This episode: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04k6rcb is about the role the fairy tales played in German history. I thought maybe someone would find it interesting in relation to the debate we had. The other episodes are pretty interesting as well.
I finally got a chance to listen to this, thanks so much again for posting. I never knew the versions of the fairy tales I was reading as a child weren't the originals, but had been "Victorianized" to better fit the values of the time. Everyone should listen to this if they get the chance.

In relation to World Showcase, I think the addition of the role of fairy tales in Germany would be both interesting (at least to me) and appropriate. However, I think I would want only the original, un-Disneyfied stories to be showcased, and probably not in a ride. Have a small area displaying the history behind, descriptions of and artwork based on some of the more popular stories (Snow White, Rapunzel, etc). I suppose you could incorporate the evolution of those stories into their current Disney forms, as I'm sure that's the only way it would ever be done, anyway. I was always aware that most Disney movies were based on actual fairy tales and books, and had read a lot of the originals myself, but I highly doubt that's the case with most kids anymore...probably most younger adults as well. This would be a great way to introduce them to the original literature. This could also easily be done in England with Peter Pan, Alice, Pooh and Mary Poppins. Unfortunately, I have the feeling that most current visitors probably wouldn't be as interested as I, and I'm sure the powers that be aren't remotely interested in showcasing the "un-Disneyfied" versions of anything.
 

Phil12

Well-Known Member
I finally got a chance to listen to this, thanks so much again for posting. I never knew the versions of the fairy tales I was reading as a child weren't the originals, but had been "Victorianized" to better fit the values of the time. Everyone should listen to this if they get the chance.

In relation to World Showcase, I think the addition of the role of fairy tales in Germany would be both interesting (at least to me) and appropriate. However, I think I would want only the original, un-Disneyfied stories to be showcased, and probably not in a ride. Have a small area displaying the history behind, descriptions of and artwork based on some of the more popular stories (Snow White, Rapunzel, etc). I suppose you could incorporate the evolution of those stories into their current Disney forms, as I'm sure that's the only way it would ever be done, anyway. I was always aware that most Disney movies were based on actual fairy tales and books, and had read a lot of the originals myself, but I highly doubt that's the case with most kids anymore...probably most younger adults as well. This would be a great way to introduce them to the original literature. This could also easily be done in England with Peter Pan, Alice, Pooh and Mary Poppins. Unfortunately, I have the feeling that most current visitors probably wouldn't be as interested as I, and I'm sure the powers that be aren't remotely interested in showcasing the "un-Disneyfied" versions of anything.
Most of the original fairy tales were just plain gruesome involving maiming, horrific deaths and not happily ever after endings.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/12/the-real-story-behind-eve_n_4239730.html
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
"New Jersey officials issued a mandatory quarantine order Friday night for members of an NBC crew that was exposed to a cameraman with Ebola after they said a voluntary 21-day isolation agreement was violated." http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/20..._quarantine_on_nbc_crew_exposed_to_ebola.html
I think that happened to the family members of the original victim as well. I was talking about the cruise line. The passengers were not officially quarantined so I was wondering if the cruise line would feel obligated to offer money or compensation to the passengers. In this case I assume the cruise line will offer a replacement cruise.
 

Phil12

Well-Known Member
I think that happened to the family members of the original victim as well. I was talking about the cruise line. The passengers were not officially quarantined so I was wondering if the cruise line would feel obligated to offer money or compensation to the passengers. In this case I assume the cruise line will offer a replacement cruise.
Indeed the quarantines have not been consistent and don't seem to be based upon the issue of public heath and safety. It would be a great public relations move for the cruise line to offer some sort of compensation to passengers.
 

OSUgirl77

Well-Known Member
Most of the original fairy tales were just plain gruesome involving maiming, horrific deaths and not happily ever after endings.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/12/the-real-story-behind-eve_n_4239730.html
I'm aware of the actual stories. I'm also aware that they will never be showcased anywhere at WDW. However, to say you can't use the originals because of death and morbidity doesn't fly. Disney movies aren't exactly puppy dogs and unicorns all the time (Snow White? Lion King?). You could do it in a way so as not to showcase some of the more controversial themes, such as the rape of Sleeping Beauty. You couldn't include the stories in their entirety anyway, it would mostly be an introduction to them and a way to show their cultural relevance to Germany, England, etc.

These were all stories that were read to children in the past, I'm not sure why we have to white wash everything for them now. I actually had a version of Little Red Riding Hood with an illustration of the wolf with blood dripping out of his mouth after eating grandma...I turned out okay (relatively ;) ). I realize that something like this wouldn't be for everyone, especially today. But, it's something that I would enjoy and, if I had children, would gladly visit with them.
 

stevehousse

Well-Known Member
With everyone saying how overboard the media is going on about Ebola, why are we continuing to go overboard about it on here?!?

Also, why is HKDL mentioning news ofPaint the Night for DL on one of their twitter feeds??? I guess this is one step closer to an actual announcement soon I hope...
 

5thGenTexan

Well-Known Member
I did not stop doing anything after the Ebola cases in Dallas, but I was fairly concerned. I am hoping its all nipped in the bud at this point. I live just north of Dallas and while I am not worried about Ebola floating around in the air just looking for someone, I do take issue with some of the decision making skills of those at Dallas Presby. I do wonder how many people Eric Duncan may have had contact with on the way to the hospital that first time and on the way home after he was release with a "sinus infection". Who is gonna be worried about being quarantined and NOT report their illness? Who could perhaps have been exposed to someone that was in contact with Duncan and takes a trip up the road a few minuets and decides to sneeze and not cover their nose and give me a good spray? To top it off, I have a yearly appointment for blood work in an office that is just across the light rail tracks from Dallas Presby. I know its unlikely there will be any issue, but it will sure be on my mind the whole time I am down there.

I am not going to hide in the attic or anything, but I am also not going to blow off the seriousness of this cootie.

Things better be under control by December 2015, because I don't want my 6 night DCL trip impacted at all. :)
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
With everyone saying how overboard the media is going on about Ebola, why are we continuing to go overboard about it on here?!?

Also, why is HKDL mentioning news ofPaint the Night for DL on one of their twitter feeds??? I guess this is one step closer to an actual announcement soon I hope...

We're not going overboard; in fact some of us are being altruistic.

In fact I am willing to help quarantine any young ladies between the ages of 24 and 33 that might feel themselves scared from the current crisis. :D
 

GiveMeTheMusic

Well-Known Member
With everyone saying how overboard the media is going on about Ebola, why are we continuing to go overboard about it on here?!?

Also, why is HKDL mentioning news ofPaint the Night for DL on one of their twitter feeds??? I guess this is one step closer to an actual announcement soon I hope...

That's not an official HKDL Twitter feed, it's a fan site.
 

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