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WDW1974

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Somehow those trailers are better than the ones they did for Frozen last year.

True enough. But that was the 'we can't let people think this is a princess movie because then anyone with a p-e-n-i-s won't see it' ... it's part of that whole segregating audiences deal and why Marvel was bought. TWDC leadership believes that films with strong females will turn off anyone not a mommy, a girl or a fanboi who dreams of being a Disney Princess (but just winds up an old queen!)

If you watched those Frozen trailers, then you would have thought the film was about a MAGICal snowman.
 

ThemeParkJunkee

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No Spoilers on Blacklist please. I have to DVR it due to my BF's insane work schedule. We watch together.

I also do not see any appeal in the Big Hero 6 Trailers. Animaniac is right; they are geared to the 6-8 crowd.
 

WDW1974

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No Spoilers on Blacklist please. I have to DVR it due to my BF's insane work schedule. We watch together.

I also do not see any appeal in the Big Hero 6 Trailers. Animaniac is right; they are geared to the 6-8 crowd.


I don't do spoilers within a fair time period. In other words, @Lee and I may discuss the season opener of The Walking Dead before the second episode on Sunday.

At some point, you either get caught up or you stay away from anyone/thing that can tell you what happened.

That said, I thought tonight's Blacklist was not a particularly strong outing ... not bad, just not great.
 

PhotoDave219

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I struggle with the cultural obsession with spoilers and trying to make oneself into a knot of avoid discussing them. We all agree that it's just a dick move to spoil something when it just came out, but when does this become too much? A couple films which are known, perhaps infamous, for their spoilers are danced around as if they were released in the last couple of weeks like say Gone Girl. If a film is good, then spoilers really shouldn't be an issue. A film ought to stand on the merits of the experience it provides. Films like The Empire Strikes Back or Seven don't need to necessarily be protected from being spoiled because they build up those cruicle moments so well that you will feel whatever the filmmaker intended.

However, cast lists can, and cannot, be spoilers. I have no doubt that Disney/Marvel cleared that Cap 3 scoop. That does not spoil a film where the marketing will heavily emphasize the conflict between Tony and Steve. Maybe if Robert Downey Jr's appearance were a small to medium sized cameo
like Cap in Thor 2
I would be upset, but Disney/Marvel want you to know two avengers will be going at it and they want your butt in a seat on opening weekend. If they didn't, this would not have been posted by Variety.

I beg to differ.
 

WDW1974

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I'm not debating that Lou doesn't get special treatment, I think it is pretty obvious that he does. But there are other groups that have arranged for these special events and have charged admission. There were several different illuminations dessert parties arranged for Epcot's 30th that charged a fee to attend. I paid around $80 to attend one.

People have been having private events at WDW dating back many decades. That isn't what is an issue.

Being a defacto representative of Celebration Place and TDO in everything he says or does in public places Loveable Lou in a different category completely.
 

WDW1974

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Interesting - but nor surprising.

The thread moved on from the initial reason to bring up social media and mainly stayed on topic for most of the time, so more to come on the following pages. It was an interesting discussion!

I enjoyed it greatly. It opened my eyes to a lot of things that had been going on in the fan community that I was plain unaware of.

it was so worth it, even if it did result in me basically leaving the site (the fact the forums died also played a large role).
 

WDW1974

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I hope no one harping on this issue has a collection of park maps or printed Disney napkins or anything made of trees. There's waste all through the parks, and if they plant 3 trees for every 1 (something Disney has been doing for some time, I've heard) there's zero issue.

Fanbois and hording (not whoring!) ... how prevalent is it for someone to grab 30 copies of guidemaps, times guides, hotel paper etc ...

DISCLOSURE: I always take copies of that stuff, but usually 1-2 for myself and a few that are given to special fanboi friends. ... But I do know people who grab immense amounts and are literally drowning in March 7, 2011 week MK entertainment schedules and July 4th 2009 Eyes and Ears etc.
 
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WDW1974

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Illuminations dessert parties are official Disney-run events. Disney sets the price and provides the food, bar and private area. I may be mistaken, but I'm not aware of any of them being "for profit" for anyone but Disney.

(Can it really be 10 years since the first WDWMagic dessert meet-up? :jawdrop:)

I wasn't invited!

to be fair, I didn't know this site existed in '04 ... at least I don't recall that ...
 

WDW1974

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I just finished reading "Marc Davis: Walt Disney's Renaissance Man"' and it is an absolute treat. Disney Editions gets A LOT of things wrong when it comes to their books on the company's legacy. Be it leaving some of the best books in their collection out of print for years like John Canemaker's "Paper Dreams", "Before the Animation Begins" and until recently "The Art and Flair of Mary Blair", publishing books with poor color reproduction/paper quality/binding, and censoring non-Disney Editions projects like Amid Amidi's Ward Kimball bio. (I tend to believe this book was only published after folks like Keane, Docter, Deja, Hahn, Lasseter, etc. strong armed them into it to make sure Alice Davis would be alive to see the company release a comprehensive edition of her late husband's work.) However, this is one of their finest efforts in recent times since the Walt Disney Animation Studios Archive books as well as the best profile on a Disney artist since "Art and Flair".

This book, while light on text, provides the most extensive collection of Davis' body of work. From animal sketches from his teens/early twenties to sketchbook entries to his contributions to Animation and Imagineering projects to his personal fine art, you begin to understand his tremendous range and passion for the work, no matter what medium. A renaissance man indeed.

Since this is a WDW forum, you'll be happy to know that many of Marc's drawings from The Haunted Mansion and Pirates are on display. There are some EPCOT Center gems as well from World of Motion and, of surprise to me, two watercolors for The American Adventure. Unfortunately, Marc's Western River Expedition, his passion project and the inspiration for Big Thunder and Splash Mountain, barely gets ANY attention. There are two pieces of concept art, they're really wonderful, and nothing more; not even a mention in Marty Sklar's accompanying essay on his theme park work. I understand that an anthology like this can only devote so much time to each facet of their work, but "Chanticleer", an unproduced feature he developed with Ken Anderson after "One Hundred and One Dalmatians" before Walt moved him to WED, gets ten-twelve pages. (Andreas has a great post about that project here) To which we are confronted with the book's biggest flaw, in a mostly successful effort to cover Marc's lifework, some notable pieces fall through the cracks like this.
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Despite my kvetching, I really hope everyone here considers purchasing this book. There are few Disney books that remind me why I love animation and theme parks and this is one of them. After a weekend where we lost an attraction that, while flawed, embodied the philosophy of the Disney of yore, it's always great to get excited about something the company does right. We all know what Disney thinks of the fan community, but let's show them when they create a QUALITY product, we will happily give them our money so that we can have more nice books like this.

Some notes:
  • Georgie K makes an appearance
  • Marty Sklar's essay makes reference to a Marc Davis attraction coming to Shanghai. Perhaps Small World was added to the opening day roster?
  • Glen Keane, Pete Docter, Andreas Deja, and Don Hanh's essays that begin the chapters are insightful despite their brevity.
  • Marc's Valentine's Cards to Alice are really adorable.
  • The paper thickness and quality of binding are comprable to the recent reissue of Canemaker's "Art and Flair", this book greatly benefits from its larger size compared to the latter.

Going to get the book ... but I wonder how Georgie K wound up in that.

As to Marc's Valentine's cards ... I had friends that were invited to he and Alice's annual Christmas parties and he did all the art for the cards. They are now treasured keepsakes (I have seen some of them!) ... that most fanbois would pass up for an Orange Bird tee or an EPCOT guide map from 1989 on eBay.
 

WDW1974

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Robert Niles has posted high-res concept art for the UNI Beijing park.
http://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/201410/4256/
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Looks more detailed than what Disney has put out on SDL, right?

Speaking of UNI, anyone think that Moscow development is still happening? I sorta think it's going right next to the Dubai project in the coffee table book that ... oops, UNI actually builds most things so they don't do those. Maybe they should? They could get the Parkscope Bois to write the foreword.
 

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