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[Animaniac93-98]

Miceage did an important article today showing the poor condition of parts of DLP [interestingly, the comments talk about the poor conditions of DLR's Rivers of America as well]. My posts from another thread:

"Speaking of DLP refurbs, Miceage posted an article today on the rotting condition of the Mark Twain and other Frontierland things:

http://micechat.com/82015-icon-abuse-mark-twain-crumbles-due-to-neglect-at-disneyland-paris/

The pirate ship in Adventureland was like this before it was fixed. We can only hope that this will be addressed soon.

The two sides of DLP, both current pictures of Frontierland:

You could make a similar post with the east and west wings of Newport Bay Club, but we know that'll all be fixed by September of next year. Will Frontierland?"

If you ever wonder why people here complain about the condition of WDW, it's because of stuff like this. We know this happened at DLR in the 90s, that this is happening in DLP now and could happen in WDW. We don't want these things to happen again.

DLP is in the habbit of fixing things now, which is good, but the park was neglected for so long some things may be destroyed before they get their chance to be fixed.

 

[Cesar R M]

If I was running DWA I'd be thrilled. Animation is a perilous business to be in on your own, as evidenced by the financial roller coaster that DWA has experienced. They'd be much better off as part of a conglomerate where every single film doesn't make or break them - hopefully it would relieve the pressure on them.

If WDFA was an independent entity, it would have shuttered around 10 years ago. Animation is expensive and even Pixar has proven you can't knock them all out of the park. Hope it works out for them, as DWA has really upped their quality game with most of their recent projects (Turbo notwithstanding).

Agree, their recent movies really push the envelope in 3d (way more than the overhyped Frozen. Rise of the Guardians had incredible snow/ice and particle effects, years before Frozen)

 

[Mike S]

Miceage did an important article today showing the poor condition of parts of DLP [interestingly, the comments talk about the poor conditions of DLR's Rivers of America as well]. My posts from another thread:

"Speaking of DLP refurbs, Miceage posted an article today on the rotting condition of the Mark Twain and other Frontierland things:

http://micechat.com/82015-icon-abuse-mark-twain-crumbles-due-to-neglect-at-disneyland-paris/

The pirate ship in Adventureland was like this before it was fixed. We can only hope that this will be addressed soon.

The two sides of DLP, both current pictures of Frontierland:

You could make a similar post with the east and west wings of Newport Bay Club, but we know that'll all be fixed by September of next year. Will Frontierland?"

If you ever wonder why people here complain about the condition of WDW, it's because of stuff like this. We know this happened at DLR in the 90s, that this is happening in DLP now and could happen in WDW. We don't want these things to happen again.

DLP is in the habbit of fixing things now, which is good, but the park was neglected for so long some things may be destroyed before they get their chance to be fixed.

Saw it earlier and frankly I'm disgusted. That is incredibly terrible show.

 

[Cesar R M]

When I think of the lumberjack show with chainsaws I think of Paul Timberman's workshop from MADTV. Not sure if I can put one of the videos on here since it's kind of graphic. Really funny though.

So.. they just did bring the Ketchikan's lumberjack "contest" and put it on epcot?

 

[RSoxNo1]

Mysterious Island is fully enclosed. Once you're inside Mount Prometheus, you're totally immersed in the world of Verne. It doesn't, however, have the hundreds of tiny details Diagon does - you could see it all in a couple of hours, which isn't true of Diagon.

It sounds like a coin flip to me. I expect my mind to be blown entering the Tokyo parks.

 

[Cesar R M]

Miceage did an important article today showing the poor condition of parts of DLP [interestingly, the comments talk about the poor conditions of DLR's Rivers of America as well]. My posts from another thread:

"Speaking of DLP refurbs, Miceage posted an article today on the rotting condition of the Mark Twain and other Frontierland things:

http://micechat.com/82015-icon-abuse-mark-twain-crumbles-due-to-neglect-at-disneyland-paris/

The pirate ship in Adventureland was like this before it was fixed. We can only hope that this will be addressed soon.

The two sides of DLP, both current pictures of Frontierland:

You could make a similar post with the east and west wings of Newport Bay Club, but we know that'll all be fixed by September of next year. Will Frontierland?"

If you ever wonder why people here complain about the condition of WDW, it's because of stuff like this. We know this happened at DLR in the 90s, that this is happening in DLP now and could happen in WDW. We don't want these things to happen again.

DLP is in the habbit of fixing things now, which is good, but the park was neglected for so long some things may be destroyed before they get their chance to be fixed.

that awful, the ship really looks like its rotting apart!

 

[Soarin' Over Pgh]

Saw it earlier and frankly I'm disgusted. That is incredibly terrible show.

That's putting it gently.

It looks like half the park has been left to rot.

Sad, really.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Miceage did an important article today showing the poor condition of parts of DLP [interestingly, the comments talk about the poor conditions of DLR's Rivers of America as well]. My posts from another thread:

"Speaking of DLP refurbs, Miceage posted an article today on the rotting condition of the Mark Twain and other Frontierland things:

http://micechat.com/82015-icon-abuse-mark-twain-crumbles-due-to-neglect-at-disneyland-paris/

The pirate ship in Adventureland was like this before it was fixed. We can only hope that this will be addressed soon.

The two sides of DLP, both current pictures of Frontierland:

You could make a similar post with the east and west wings of Newport Bay Club, but we know that'll all be fixed by September of next year. Will Frontierland?"

If you ever wonder why people here complain about the condition of WDW, it's because of stuff like this. We know this happened at DLR in the 90s, that this is happening in DLP now and could happen in WDW. We don't want these things to happen again.

DLP is in the habbit of fixing things now, which is good, but the park was neglected for so long some things may be destroyed before they get their chance to be fixed.

The condition of the Mark Twain has actually become worse. The sagging wood on the side that Alain highlighted has since collapsed to reveal the metal structure beneath.

 

[dhall]

I don't think we're necessarily saying different things. Based purely on what happened, if they were spun off in the 90's or later, they would have died a miserable death in the early 2000's. Independent publicly traded animation studios are a bad idea, and DWA has a rough go of it. Making 2-3 films a year is hard enough, but Wall Street riding your and selling off if one of them isn't a megahit? It's gotta be exhausting, and it's not an environment the medium can thrive in. That was my original point - DWA suffers because it's beholden to Wall Street. If WDFA had had a similar arrangement, it would have been fed to the dogs when it started releasing turd after turd in the early 21st century.

I don't believe that an independent WDFA would've released the same series of turds. They were led by incompetent outsiders who would've never been hired by an independent WDFA.

I am right with you, though, on the damage done by wall street oversight. However, spunoff doesn't necessarily mean as a publicly traded company, though. I've worked in subsidiaries that operated independently of our corporate owners to a greater or lesser degree: if things go completely off the rails, heads will roll and changes will be made, but they can be operated independently. Of course, spinning off into private ownership is possible as well.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

The condition of the Mark Twain has actually become worse. The sagging wood on the side that Alain highlighted has since collapsed to reveal the metal structure beneath.

I'm not surprised, as Miceage is generally slow to report DLP news.

What I'm wondering is why wasn't this reported sooner on twitter when multiple DLP related accounts are running daily (or near daily) pics of the park?

 

[Cesar R M]

The condition of the Mark Twain has actually become worse. The sagging wood on the side that Alain highlighted has since collapsed to reveal the metal structure beneath.

so.. DLP's management are pulling an Iger (a la epcot) ??

 

[BrerJon]

It sounds like a coin flip to me. I expect my mind to be blown entering the Tokyo parks.

Oh it would be, I'm sure, don't worry.

The sheer scale of DisneySea is the hardest thing to describe. It's geographically about the same size as Animal Kingdom, but even though you can see one land from another, it ties in with the spirit of adventure and exploration, as it gives the lull of distant exotic lands. A WDW comparison would be being able to see other countries across the lagoon in World Showcase.

Being on the sea is the biggest thing for me that makes it unlike any other park experience on the planet. When you see the real world, but not motels and highways that break the theme, but the real world as it would be if the area you are in was real (ie a harbour theme being able to see the real ocean), it feels like you've been truly transported into that world.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'm not surprised, as Miceage is generally slow to report DLP news.

What I'm wondering is why wasn't this reported sooner on twitter when multiple DLP related accounts are running daily (or near daily) pics of the park?

Which is odd since they are just Alain's Disney and More updates, but a week or so late.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Which is odd since they are just Alain's Disney and More updates, but a week or so late.

Maybe Alain fears that his blog will get fewer hits if Miceage posts the same content at (or around) the same time? I have no idea if that is of any particular importance to him.

 

[BrerJon]

"Speaking of DLP refurbs, Miceage posted an article today on the rotting condition of the Mark Twain and other Frontierland things:
...
DLP is in the habbit of fixing things now, which is good, but the park was neglected for so long some things may be destroyed before they get their chance to be fixed.

Tying in with WDW news this week, one of the many neglected parts of DLP is their Backlot Tour.

When I rode that earlier this year, the video that replaces the tour guide CM spiel had no sound working whatsoever.

So the entire tour was completely silent, nobody knew what they were looking at, even Catastrophe Canyon had no 'explanation' to be heard, and the disinterested CM made no attempt to fill in with their own description, and stayed silent throughout. You could have heard a pin drop, it felt more like a funeral procession than a Backlot Tour.

I hope they've fixed that now, but it wouldn't surprise me if they hadn't. This was after all the same park that ran Rock 'n' Roller coaster without music for several months.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Tieing in with WDW news this week, one of the many neglected parts of DLP is their Backlot Tour.

When I rode that earlier this year, the video that replaces the tour guide CM spiel had no sound working whatsoever.

So the entire tour was completely silent, nobody knew what they were looking at, even Catastrophe Canyon had no 'explanation' to be heard, and the disinterested CM made no attempt to fill in with their own description, and stayed silent throughout. You could have heard a pin drop, it felt more like a funeral procession than a Backlot Tour.

I hope they've fixed that now, but it wouldn't surprise me if they hadn't. This was after all the same park that ran Rock 'n' Roller coaster without music for several months.

They're le tourists. What do they le know.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Tieing in with WDW news this week, one of the many neglected parts of DLP is their Backlot Tour.

When I rode that earlier this year, the video that replaces the tour guide CM spiel had no sound working whatsoever.

So the entire tour was completely silent, nobody knew what they were looking at, even Catastrophe Canyon had no 'explanation' to be heard, and the disinterested CM made no attempt to fill in with their own description, and stayed silent throughout. You could have heard a pin drop, it felt more like a funeral procession than a Backlot Tour.

I hope they've fixed that now, but it wouldn't surprise me if they hadn't. This was after all the same park that ran Rock 'n' Roller coaster without music for several months.

Was Catastrophe Canyon working in full? That wasn't the last time I went on it (though the audio was).

Being 10 years younger the Studios park has not had the same amount time to rot to the level of its neighbouring park, but it still has seen lots of refurbishment work this year on top of opening a new ride and restaurant.

But the tram tour will always suck, in particular for having more trees than movie scenery. And the content is really dated. Reign of Fire? Pearl Harbour? Dinotopia? Yikes.

 

[Mike S]

Tieing in with WDW news this week, one of the many neglected parts of DLP is their Backlot Tour.

When I rode that earlier this year, the video that replaces the tour guide CM spiel had no sound working whatsoever.

So the entire tour was completely silent, nobody knew what they were looking at, even Catastrophe Canyon had no 'explanation' to be heard, and the disinterested CM made no attempt to fill in with their own description, and stayed silent throughout. You could have heard a pin drop, it felt more like a funeral procession than a Backlot Tour.

I hope they've fixed that now, but it wouldn't surprise me if they hadn't. This was after all the same park that ran Rock 'n' Roller coaster without music for several months.

DLP sounds like it's being run even worse than WDW. At least they got Ratatouille and the hotels are getting full returbishments but they need more.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

DLP sounds like it's being run even worse than WDW.

I'd say it was worse before 2012, but since then I'd rank it as better. At least they are trying to fix what is broken (including on-ride effects), unlike WDW which continues to act like nothing is wrong.

DLP also does a much better job with seasonal entertainment and decorating than MK, and they don't charge extra to see it.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Speaking of Disneyland Paris' neglected Mark Twain, did not the Magic Kingdom's other riverboat quite literally fall to pieces?