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[danlb_2000]

Is it too late to scrap Avatar and cancel the deal with Cameron? I know there are drawings of what is coming but has there been anything definitive about what is coming ride wise?

I hate the idea of Avatar land so I haven't paid it any attention but it seems there may be internal grumblings about it.

Try to keep an open mind about it. Even if you don't like the IP, if the land is well executed with decent rides, you may still enjoy it. I have heard of plenty of people who aren't Harry Potter fans that have really enjoyed the Harry Potter areas at Uni.

 

[twebber55]

See, there you go again immediately jumping to the financials for another medium. The world of Pandora and the Navi must be contradicted to facilitate desired consumerist behavior and industrialized food distribution.

when I read your first sentence I thought about Ronald Reagan...in that debate with Mondale I believe when he says "there you go again"

as to your point I only bring up avatar box office numbers in terms of its success not its theme park applications.... obviously

this has theme park applications that can be popular and successful
which has always been my point....IP success doesn't necessarily make it a great theme park success
which numerous examples have been given

 

[flynnibus]

As I said, new rides don't just pop up

But lack of planning and execution causes them to be late and desperately needed. Verse rolling things out on a healthy cadence.

You know what they say.. lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part. Disney has yet again ran things so far past the boundary before doing something about it that they are in the emergency range.

 

[twebber55]

Try to keep an open mind about it. Even if you don't like the IP, if the land is well executed with decent rides, you may still enjoy it. I have heard of plenty of people who aren't Harry Potter fans that have really enjoyed the Harry Potter areas at Uni.

I actually never read a book or watched any of the HP movies but loved the land and went back home to watch all the movies..it my case the theme park land made me a fan first

 

[lazyboy97o]

when I read your first sentence I thought about Ronald Reagan...in that debate with Mondale I believe when he says "there you go again"

as to your point I only bring up avatar box office numbers in terms of its success not its theme park applications.... obviously

this has theme park applications that can be popular and successful
which has always been my point....IP success doesn't necessarily make it a great theme park success
which numerous examples have been given

And that picture lacks commerce, because it is a direct contradiction of the known atmosphere.

 

[Goofyernmost]

when I read your first sentence I thought about Ronald Reagan...in that debate with Mondale I believe when he says "there you go again"

I don't want to be too picky, but for the sake of historical accuracy, he said that to Jimmy Carter.

 

[twebber55]

And that picture lacks commerce, because it is a direct contradiction of the known atmosphere.

yes it lacks commerce but has a surplus in awestruck beauty, imagination, and creativity.. kind of important in a theme park
but I do appreciate your purist theme park point of view..honestly/no sarcasm

 

[twebber55]

I don't want to be too picky, but for the sake of historical accuracy, he said that to Jimmy Carter.

I almost put Carter..im only 41 so I was a youngster

 

[Goofyernmost]

I almost put Carter..im only 41 so I was a youngster

Yes, while I'm old enough that I had to think whether or not it might have been Lincoln.

 

[ryan1]

Try to keep an open mind about it. Even if you don't like the IP, if the land is well executed with decent rides, you may still enjoy it. I have heard of plenty of people who aren't Harry Potter fans that have really enjoyed the Harry Potter areas at Uni.

If the land turns out great I'll enjoy walking through it from time to time but its not something, even if it is great execution, I will be running to visit because I don't like the source material (obviously I am in the minority which the huge success of the film proves). The exception being if there is an amazing ride built but another Soarin' type ride doesn't sound amazing to me. I am the same with Potter. I liked the detail and the feel of that part of IoA but I have no desire to make a special trip just to visit Potter. I haven't read the books but I have seen all the movies.

If I ever go back to IoA, I'll enjoy walking through Potter again but, again I'm in the minority, I have no real interest in it. I recognize it was very well executed and detailed.

If Potter 2.0 is open to walk around in when I go to Halloween Horror Nights for the 14th straight year, the ONLY reason I have any desire to visit Uni, I will check it out and I'm sure marvel at the execution but I am not going to make a special visit to see it otherwise.

 

[danlb_2000]

I have a hard time understanding how people won't spend much time in a land based on an IP that doesn't interest them, but will still spends tons of time in an area or on an attraction that isn't based on an IP at all.

 

[lazyboy97o]

yes it lacks commerce but has a surplus in awestruck beauty, imagination, and creativity.. kind of important in a theme park
but I do appreciate your purist theme park point of view..honestly/no sarcasm

Disney's last big land got its funding because of toy sales. Pandora probably could work for its sheer spectacle, with the good will inducing spending elsewhere in the park, but that is not how Disney views theme parks or why Avatar was selected.

I have a hard time understanding how people won't spend much time in a land based on an IP that doesn't interest them, but will still spends tons of time in an area or on an attraction that isn't based on an IP at all.

For the exact same reason that IP is "better," because it is a known entity.

 

[ryan1]

I have a hard time understanding how people won't spend much time in a land based on an IP that doesn't interest them, but will still spends tons of time in an area or on an attraction that isn't based on an IP at all.

With Potter, unless you have a good understanding of what all is going on around in the land I would say roughly 75% of the small details are missed. If you are very familiar with the IP you can spend hours looking over every book or window display in the land looking for little details that were included to please fans. If you aren't that stuff goes over your head and is just viewed as a book or "odd" window display. I can spend plenty of time wandering MGM looking at the little nods from Imagineers (names of shipping boxes and the like) because I am familiar with those names that are referenced.

My point was that if you are not very familiar with Potter or in this case Avatar a lot of the immersive details are not of interest because I don't "get" them so to me spending the 30 seconds to read the name of a book or what is written on a box is a waste and I don't do it.

I could spend hours at Trader Sam's at DL exploring the walls because nothing about it needs a reference.

That is why people can spend tons of time in non IP areas and not a lot of time on IP areas. Non IP areas are all inclusive.

 

[danlb_2000]

With Potter, unless you have a good understanding of what all is going on around in the land I would say roughly 75% of the small details are missed. If you are very familiar with the IP you can spend hours looking over every book or window display in the land looking for little details that were included to please fans. If you aren't that stuff goes over your head and is just viewed as a book or "odd" window display. I can spend plenty of time wandering MGM looking at the little nods from Imagineers (names of shipping boxes and the like) because I am familiar with those names that are referenced.

My point was that if you are not very familiar with Potter or in this case Avatar a lot of the immersive details are not of interest because I don't "get" them so to me spending the 30 seconds to read the name of a book or what is written on a box is a waste and I don't do it.

I could spend hours at Trader Sam's at DL exploring the walls because nothing about it needs a reference.

That is why people can spend tons of time in non IP areas and not a lot of time on IP areas. Non IP areas are all inclusive.

I'll agree there are some details that a non-fan will miss, but it shouldn't significantly reduce their enjoyment of a well execute area or ride. I am not a big fan of Cars, saw the movie once on TV and that's it, yet I spend plenty of time in Carsland. Here is the inside of one of the shops at Diagon Alley. I have seen the Potter movies (not read the books) and I have no clue if any of this stuff decorating the shop has any significance, didn't stop me from really enjoying the the store.

 

[Mike S]

I'll agree there are some details that a non-fan will miss, but it shouldn't significantly reduce their enjoyment of a well execute area or ride. I am not a big fan of Cars, saw the movie once on TV and that's it, yet I spend plenty of time in Carsland. Here is the inside of one of the shops at Diagon Alley. I have seen the Potter movies (not read the books) and I have no clue if any of this stuff decorating the shop has any significance, didn't stop me from really enjoying the the store.

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Some of that stuff in the picture are actually parts from the old Jaws boats. Or was it just one of them.........

 

[danlb_2000]

Some of that stuff in the picture are actually parts from the old Jaws boats. Or was it just one of them.........

I was wondering what I had so little interest in the Diagon Alley, I didn't have the important piece of reference information, it will be a whole new experience for me now.

 

[ryan1]

I'll agree there are some details that a non-fan will miss, but it shouldn't significantly reduce their enjoyment of a well execute area or ride. I am not a big fan of Cars, saw the movie once on TV and that's it, yet I spend plenty of time in Carsland. Here is the inside of one of the shops at Diagon Alley. I have seen the Potter movies (not read the books) and I have no clue if any of this stuff decorating the shop has any significance, didn't stop me from really enjoying the the store.

I never said I didn't enjoy walking around Potter, I liked that part of the park and think they did a fantastic job with it. I'm merely saying that since I don't have a love for Potter I'm not making a special trip just to visit it. I experienced everything that I can in that part of the park during my one visit since I do not have a better knowledge of the IP.

Same with Avatar. I'll enjoy walking around and experiencing it but it isn't a draw for me because I don't have an interest in the IP to begin with.The exception being if they create a great ride along with it.

Obviously it is personal preference and no one has the same experience when visiting a theme park, but to me a well themed and detailed gift shop and store front isn't going to keep me around or coming back if I don't have the basis for what the details are. That is why I said what I did about non IP vs IP areas. No one is shut out of the full experience of a non IP area which lends itself to spending lots of time exploring.

 

[Cesar R M]

And after 25 years of aggressive expansion, DHS has 5 rides.

But seriously, I was really just pointing out that the park that hasn't had a new E Ticket since 1993, or a new ride since 2008, that only had 6 rides to start with will be closing several attractions and a large part of the park going behind construction walls while the guys down the street are fresh off of a new E Ticket land that came on the heels of another ETicket.

I really don't think that it is terribly fan boyish to think that the combination of construction and competition just might quite possibly negatively impact attendance at that one park for the year of 2015.

And what great exciting news have we gotten? So far all we have gotten are closures. But if what is coming is as awsome as the new Princesslandia Pavilion over at "ePCOT: Now with Apple iPay!", you'll have to forgive me for my lackluster golf clap.

I still wonder why for some people, "the rides" are the only things that count for the complete health of a park.

 

[DisUniversal]

I never said I didn't enjoy walking around Potter, I liked that part of the park and think they did a fantastic job with it. I'm merely saying that since I don't have a love for Potter I'm not making a special trip just to visit it. I experienced everything that I can in that part of the park during my one visit since I do not have a better knowledge of the IP.

Same with Avatar. I'll enjoy walking around and experiencing it but it isn't a draw for me because I don't have an interest in the IP to begin with.The exception being if they create a great ride along with it.

Obviously it is personal preference and no one has the same experience when visiting a theme park, but to me a well themed and detailed gift shop and store front isn't going to keep me around or coming back if I don't have the basis for what the details are. That is why I said what I did about non IP vs IP areas. No one is shut out of the full experience of a non IP area which lends itself to spending lots of time exploring.

Is someone who's never seen Song of the South shut out of the full experience of Splash Mountain and do they somehow get less enjoyment out of it? Does someone who's never seen an episode of Twilight Zone really miss out on much when they ride Tower of Terror?

 

[ryan1]

Is someone who's never seen Song of the South shut out of the full experience of Splash Mountain and do they somehow get less enjoyment out of it? Does someone who's never seen an episode of Twilight Zone really miss out on much when they ride Tower of Terror?

Those are single rides not entire lands.

No, never seeing Song of the South does not hurt enjoyment of Splash because the queue of Splash establishes the characters and story of the ride. Splash does not mention Uncle Remus at all. If the ride had a tar baby in the back part of one of the scenes then not seeing the movie or reading the books would hurt the full enjoyment of the ride.

There are a lot of details in ToT that are lost on people that don't know the show. Almost all the things in the tv room are references to the show and episodes. Again that doesn't hurt the enjoyment of the ride but people who DO get the references get more out of the ride than those who don't.