GoofGoof
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Yes, it's too late.
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Next Big Thing
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Or you could sound like a rational personal and call it a transition year instead of sounding like a Uni Fanboy. I don't like to call people fanboy's, but with all the optimistic news we've heard, you choose to spin it all in favor of Uni in a single sentence? I mean really? New rides don't just appear.
MerlinTheGoat
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Little early to be assuming optimism for DHS given what we've come to expect from Disney. On the one hand they could buck the normal tradition and give us some fantastic new rides. On the other hand we might just get spinners, restaurants and bathrooms. No one knows anything, and people are well within their right and reason to be skeptical about the plans.
Mike S
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They sure seem to at Universal compared to Disney's snail pace. Starting to clear land for Kong before Diagon Alley was even finished and it could be done by late 2015/early 2016 according to the latest I've read on Orlando United. This is the same time Frozen could open at Epcot and Kong is a brand new ride requiring a brand new building to be constructed. Plus it's an actual E Ticket and not something cheap. Not to mention Diagon Alley taking only about 2.5 years compared to NFL's 5 to be completed (NFL also didn't have a single E Ticket) and Transformers going up in 9 months. Yes I know Transformers was a special case but it still counts imo. This is a true "transition year". 1 year between brand new rides. Disney should be starting construction with a goal of opening the new stuff at DHS ASAP. The park is in desperate need of help. This doesn't make me a Uni fanboy, I just see things like they are. I'm a fan of theme parks in general first.
Next Big Thing
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I agree, DHS needs help ASAP. It seems to be headed that way, wouldn't you say? AIE, BLT, and LMA closing soon. I'm not sure what more you want. Uni doesn't need to be a part of this at all. Why don't we wait and see what we are getting here before trashing it? ("Plus it's an actual E Ticket and not something cheap")
We should just be happy Disney is finally fixing their wrongs. Universal is doing great work down the road and they are causing Disney to have to do this, but I don't see why this project needs to be put down before it gets started because Uni is building a lot.
What a lot of people aren't realizing is that Uni is building so much because they fell behind so much. THEY are the ones playing catch up. Disney simply just got lazy and is starting to realize they need to get back to work.
CDavid
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While not in a theme park, certainly the second half of Pop Century was much farther along before work was stopped, and eventually canceled in favor of Art of Animation. While something similar could be done with Avatar, it is virtually impossible to imagine Iger and company reversing course at this point; It would be tantamount to admitting the project was a mistake (which it is). They're not going to publicly admit that, even if they privately realize it wasn't the best deal.
Mike S
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I think you misunderstood my point. I was putting down the Frozen ride as cheap (hence why I compared it to Kong which will be opening at a similar time) not the DHS redo. Yes a lot of closures are happening at DHS but that doesn't mean anything if those closures sit for years before construction of their replacements starts which we have no idea when they will. Right now I'm waiting for an announcement from Disney to see what exactly will be done to DHS and the timeframe we can expect for it. I believe we have enough information about Frozen though from both Disney and insiders to get an idea of what to expect so that imo is free game to be judged.
lazyboy97o
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The problem though is they are not theme park people and wouldn't know why it's a lack luster idea. All they know is the box office and home media sales numbers. They're bigger than a Harry Potter film's numbers so it must work.
There is a Tarzan stage show at DLP, which I know was running in 2012 at least, because that's when I saw it. There were rumours that it would return this summer, not sure if it did.
And at least the original Tarzan character should be in the public domain by now? So not sure who's license they would need.
Disneyhead'71
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And after 25 years of aggressive expansion, DHS has 5 rides.
But seriously, I was really just pointing out that the park that hasn't had a new E Ticket since 1993, or a new ride since 2008, that only had 6 rides to start with will be closing several attractions and a large part of the park going behind construction walls while the guys down the street are fresh off of a new E Ticket land that came on the heels of another ETicket.
I really don't think that it is terribly fan boyish to think that the combination of construction and competition just might quite possibly negatively impact attendance at that one park for the year of 2015.
And what great exciting news have we gotten? So far all we have gotten are closures. But if what is coming is as awsome as the new Princesslandia Pavilion over at "ePCOT: Now with Apple iPay!", you'll have to forgive me for my lackluster golf clap.
DisUniversal
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There's nothing wrong with using past experience to make an education assumption as to what we might expect out of Disney in the future. What exactly have they done in the past dozen or so years that would give one reason to have an optimistic view on what they're going to do next? Is new Fantasyland with it's 2nd Dumbo and Tangled restrooms that great? Is their neglect of EE at AK a reason to be optimistic? The epic never ending en devour to build parking garages? Wasting 4X what Diagon Alley cost on rubber bracelets? Getting rid of Off Kilter for a "thrilling lumberjack show"? Putting cheap Frozen overlays on attractions? Taking the easy route of endless upcharge events to increase revenue rather than giving customers the slightest bit more for what they already spend? In my opinion it is better to expect disappointment and be pleasantly surprised than to get all excited that Disney has finally righted their ship only to watch it sink for the umpteenth time.
Universal may have been the ones playing catch up. Now it's Disney's turn.
FigmentJedi
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Actually, Terk is just a gender-swapped version of Terkoz from the books.
PhotoDave219
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Way too late. People did try to kill the project years ago..... But despite their best efforts, no derailing it
MerlinTheGoat
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Again it appears Disney can at least use what they've already created with Tarzan. They can rerelease the existing movies and TV episodes, they recently brought the original Kingdom Hearts to Playstation 3 recently which contained a Tarzan level (for the record, this is the only level from KH1 that has not reappeared in the sequels, whereas all of the other original KH1 levels have returned in at least one of the sequels). I would assume this is true to an extent of the parks as well, the treehouse at Disneyland is still Tarzan themed. Don't know exactly when the show at Paris was created but it seems to have been around for quite a while (perhaps before Disney lost the license?).
I also don't know when Tarzan is going to go into the public domain. This article mentions a 2020 date-
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...aw-to-prevent-use-public-domain-stories.shtml
Next Big Thing
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I agree, DHS needs help. BADLY. So does Epcot. All I was saying was of course it's going to be a rough year in 2015. They've closed a chunk of shows and the park has lost a ton of capacity. But DCA had to go through the same thing when it's redo happened. As I said, new rides don't just pop up (*gets ready for some sort of reply about how they do at Universal*).
I love Universal and Disney. I've worked at both. I just think the back and forth theme park wars debate is continuously pointless. And I didn't say anything about "Great, exciting news", I said optimistic news. We still don't know exactly what it is, but it sure as hell has to be better than what's currently there. I'm simply saying it's encouraging that they're finally looking into fixing this mess of a park.
I look at an IP and determine whether it would work in a theme park..is it something that would work in a them park setting...Cars land is a great example of this...hunger games not so much even though the franchise is huge..LOTR and Avatar would/will be great theme park lands based on theme park settings (in my opinion of course)
lazyboy97o
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Theme park environments work best when they lack contradiction. Avatarland must be a contradiction to function as a profitable enterprise.
huh? you re saying its not been profitable...Fox disagrees...it will be fine in a theme park...regardless to your objections
lazyboy97o
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See, there you go again immediately jumping to the financials for another medium. The world of Pandora and the Navi must be contradicted to facilitate desired consumerist behavior and industrialized food distribution.
I understand what you mean now - you were talking about Disney no longer having a license to create new content. The Tarzan show has certainly been around for quite some time.
From the article you linked to, I understand that some works (including some Tarzan) are already in the public domain - that was what the other company wanted to base their stories on. But ERB was claiming a trademark infringement! From what I understand that article only reports on that a case was filed, not on the outcome. It would be interesting to hear whether they were successful with their argument. If they succeed in more or less banning the use of IP that is in the public domain by declaring it a trademark infringement, this would be a huge blow against the concept of public domain.
But with this background information, I could very well understand a scenario where ERB wanted lots of money from Disney for keeping the license in the future for further content (using the trademark argument that they used in that case), but Disney was not willing to pay, considering that soon everything regarding the original Tarzan will be in the public domain. Of course, I don't think Disney will want to start a high profile copyright/trademark law suit with someone else. So their interest to use that IP certainly is very low.