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[PeterAlt]

It's not like the Disney family has any input into the company anymore...

Heck, if the current TDO had been in charge of WDW back in its beginnings, THIS is what Splash Mountain would be like:

Don't give them ideas! They would probably cut the grass out of the budget and use mud instead.

 

[PeterAlt]

Here is something to think about...

I mentioned the Disney property on International Drive that was sold off near Sea World...

Imagine, if you will, Disney wining the bid for Sea World back in the 1980's. Back then, before it was sold to Busch, Disney made a bid for the property and proposed turning it into Disney Sea.

Now, imagine if they won that bid! They would have almost contiguous land all the way to Sea World!

 

[Nmoody1]

Here is something to think about...

I mentioned the Disney property on International Drive that was sold off near Sea World...

Imagine, if you will, Disney wining the bid for Sea World back in the 1980's. Back then, before it was sold to Busch, Disney made a bid for the property and proposed turning it into Disney Sea.

Now, imagine if they won that bid! They would have almost contiguous land all the way to Sea World!

They'd also have the whole Blackfish thing on their hands!

 

[PeterAlt]

They'd also have the whole Blackfish thing on their hands!

Did they make that bid before of after building Living Seas?

 

[BrerJon]

Imagine, if you will, Disney wining the bid for Sea World back in the 1980's. Back then, before it was sold to Busch, Disney made a bid for the property and proposed turning it into Disney Sea.

You know, I could see the following happening one day... Sea World has been under lots of pressure recently, both from public relations issues and, more importantly, the competition from Universal - Sea World sadly takes a hit before Disney does.

It's not impossible to imagine them wanting to sell the Orlando park one day.

Now, what imagine a day when Universal has cannibalised much of Disney's business, and when we have a Disney CEO who is as keen on mergers and acquisitions as Iger, but has an interest in the parks... I could see them buying Sea World as a fifth gate, rename it, then say to the fans 'well, you wanted DisneySea, here ya go!'.

 

[PeterAlt]

You know, I could see the following happening one day... Sea World has been under lots of pressure recently, both from public relations issues and, more importantly, the competition from Universal - Sea World sadly takes a hit before Disney does.

It's not impossible to imagine them wanting to sell the Orlando park one day.

Now, what imagine a day when Universal has cannibalised much of Disney's business, and when we have a Disney CEO who is as keen on mergers and acquisitions as Iger, but has an interest in the parks... I could see them buying Sea World as a fifth gate, rename it, then say to the fans 'well, you wanted DisneySea, here ya go!'.

Fact is Eisner tried to buy it for Disney in the '80's. That's where the name DisneySea came from originally.

 

[danv3]

I believe it involved John Bunting taking the role of Baloo.

:buddy

 

[BrerJon]

Fact is Eisner tried to buy it for Disney in the '80's. That's where the name DisneySea came from originally.

Ah, I didn't know that, interesting. It makes no sense without a corresponding DisneyLand though. Ocean Kingdom might be a more appropriate name for a Florida park.

 

[lazyboy97o]

A few years ago there were rumours about some of the parks being sold off. Everyone was aghast - now it sounds like quite a sensible idea, which shows how far we've slipped.

Maybe a joint bid from the OLC and Comcast? How awesome would that be?

The problem is that you would want the sort of quality controls that are in the agreement with the Oriental Land Company but nobody would agree to that seeing as how Disney abandoned those ideas years ago. Even the Oriental Land Company has apparently tired of hearing the hypocrisy spew forth from Disney.

Fact is Eisner tried to buy it for Disney in the '80's. That's where the name DisneySea came from originally.

DisneySEA was developed for Long Beach, not San Diego, utilizing assets from the rather hostile takeover of the Wrather Corporation. Or if one is more cynical it was just a ploy to get concessions from the City of Anaheim. It was during the sale from Anheuser-Busch that Rasulo was potentially interested in SeaWorld San Diego more as a Disney Cruise Line destination.

 

[PeterAlt]

The problem is that you would want the sort of quality controls that are in the agreement with the Oriental Land Company but nobody would agree to that seeing as how Disney abandoned those ideas years ago. Even the Oriental Land Company has apparently tired of hearing the hypocrisy spew forth from Disney.


DisneySEA was developed for Long Beach, not San Diego, utilizing assets from the rather hostile takeover of the Wrather Corporation. Or if one is more cynical it was just a ploy to get concessions from the City of Anaheim. It was during the sale from Anheuser-Busch that Rasulo was potentially interested in SeaWorld San Diego more as a Disney Cruise Line destination.

But Sea World Orlando was going to be part of that deal. I remember it was all over the Florida newspapers about Disney's bid. Disney said they were going to re-Imagineer it and make it like Living Seas and rename it DisneySea.

EDIT - I'm not sure if Living Seas was built before or after this bid. I know it was definitely planned before the bid. Not sure if winning Sea World would have moved the plans for it there or not.

 

[BrerJon]

DisneySEA was developed for Long Beach, not San Diego, utilizing assets from the rather hostile takeover of the Wrather Corporation. Or if one is more cynical it was just a ploy to get concessions from the City of Anaheim. It was during the sale from Anheuser-Busch that Rasulo was potentially interested in SeaWorld San Diego more as a Disney Cruise Line destination.

Now that's intereting. So I guess DisneySea's SS Columbia came from concept art that originally included the Queen Mary.

 

[lazyboy97o]

But Sea World Orlando was going to be part of that deal. I remember it was all over the Florida newspapers about Disney's bid. Disney said they were going to re-Imagineer it and make it like Living Seas and rename it DisneySea.

EDIT - I'm not sure if Living Seas was built before or after this bid. I know it was definitely planned before the bid. Not sure if winning Sea World would have moved the plans for it there or not.

Not every report of Disney being interested in something is founded in reality. There were probably "What about Disney?" articles we could dig up regarding Paramount selling their parks, but it doesn't mean it ever had serious internal consideration. The Living Seas opened in 1986 and SeaWorld was sold to Busch Gardens in 1989 following a lengthy negotiation process. Even if Disney had an interest in any of the SeaWorld parks,Harcourt Brace Jovanovich was only interested in selling all of their parks, the four SeaWorld parks as well as Cypress Gardens and Boardwalk and Baseball.

DisneySEA was a California project, announced in 1991, that was in direct competition with WestCOT Center.

Now that's intereting. So I guess DisneySea's SS Columbia came from concept art that originally included the Queen Mary.

Yep. DisneySEA was part of a larger Port Disney project that would have also included the Queen Mary, the Spruce Goose, retail and dining, and cruise line terminals.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Lion King a classic

Lion King was no classic when it was shoved into The Land pavilion in 1995, nor was it when it had three shows running at different parks in 1998 (Legend of the Lion King, Circle of Life and Festival of the Lion King).

As someone already mentioned, history is repeating itself with Frozen and the only difference with Lion King is nostalgia from an older, crankier fan base.

 

[space42]

As someone already mentioned, history is repeating itself with Frozen and the only difference with Lion King is nostalgia from an older, crankier fan base.

...and much better movie with more timeless music.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

...and much better movie with more timeless music.

Because we can judge "timelessness" within 12 months of the original release?

 

[space42]

Becuase we can judge "timelessness" within 12 months of the original release?

Sure - The Frozen songs sound like contemporary pop while The Lion King soundtrack is pretty much the opposite.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Sure - The Frozen songs sound like contemporary pop while The Lion King soundtrack is pretty much the opposite.

Elton John worte the music for Lion King. How are none of them not "pop" sounding in any way?

Frozen's songwriting team has multiple Broadway shows to their credit. The style of music has been the norm for the stage for the last 30 years, so I don't understand why it's being compared to current, overly electronic pop music.

Your posts continue to just prove my point.

 

[space42]

Elton John worte the music for Lion King. How are none of them not "pop" sounding in any way?

Frozen's songwriting team has multiple Broadway shows to their credit. The style of music has been the norm for the stage for the last 30 years, so I don't understand why it's being compared to current, overly electronic pop music.

Your posts continue to just prove my point.

All good. I'll try to explain a little better. When I hear the soundtrack version (not the Elton John versions) of any song from Lion King , it does not sound like 1994 to my ears. Those songs sound just as relevant today as they did when I first heard them. When I hear "Let it Go" it sounds just like any other pop song that's on the radio today. Perhaps it's not quite the writing behind it - but the performance and production used in the movie versions of the songs.
I know - I'm the only one that doesn't care for the music of Frozen. It's ok.

 

[Magenta Panther]

All good. I'll try to explain a little better. When I hear the soundtrack version (not the Elton John versions) of any song from Lion King , it does not sound like 1994 to my ears. Those songs sound just as relevant today as they did when I first heard them. When I hear "Let it Go" it sounds just like any other pop song that's on the radio today. Perhaps it's not quite the writing behind it - but the performance and production used in the movie versions of the songs.
I know - I'm the only one that doesn't care for the music of Frozen. It's ok.

I'm not impressed with it either. "The Circle of Life", "Wish Upon A Star", "Be Our Guest", "Hi Ho", "Bella Notte"...what is "Let It Go" compared to those? Pop music, and not very good pop music either. A mediocre tune tied to mediocre lyrics. Feh.

 

[Gomer]

Elton John worte the music for Lion King. How are none of them not "pop" sounding in any way?

Frozen's songwriting team has multiple Broadway shows to their credit. The style of music has been the norm for the stage for the last 30 years, so I don't understand why it's being compared to current, overly electronic pop music.

Your posts continue to just prove my point.

I wouldn't use modern Broadway as a measuring stick for not being pop. Broadway was taken over and killed by pop long before Frozen. Frozen's music is a symptom of alarger problem of dumbing down of popular music in general. Its not specific to the movie or Disney. Just a general homoginization of the form.