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AEfx

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What $50 chargers? All they changed was the cable...old chargers should work fine and don't cost anywhere near $50.

Apple has changed their connector once in the past 10 years and it was because it became obsolete, not because they wanted to kill off accessory manufacturers.

I believe you will find that the Lightning Cable requires one of the newer 5W power adapters (Apple is even snotty about power). If that's not the case, then my apologies and we can just delete my posts, because of course if I was incorrect about that of course I must be totally off-base about everything. Regardless, yes, each full charging set does cost the amount specified - because, well, Apple.

They sell you the cable for $19 (1m)or $29(2m), and the power adapter is $19. So each set costs you $40-50. As someone who doesn't fancy carrying and unplugging chargers all the time, once I committed to Apple's products, I have them at home, work, and in between, packed in travel bags, etc. - an entire eco-system of cables and chargers - that cannot be used with a new iPhone. I did it all once with their proprietary cable, I'm not about to repeat that just because they want me to for no reason which I benefit from aside from the privilege of continuing to purchase their products.

Oh, but wait! I can pay $29 each for an adapter to continue to use them (which has spotty availability since they finally came out well after they changed over, it appears available at the moment, who knows tomorrow) - but the cord is obsolete, so how can that be? If all I need is their proprietary adapter to hook up to the old nasty connector that is obsolete and needs to be killed off and is somehow substandard for my phone experience - I can pay them $29/cable to adapt the same cable they are telling be is obsolete back? Man, how does that work? If that cable is so necessary to get rid of, how come they let me keep it if I pay?

Seriously, though, just look at the reviews on Apple's own site linked above on all this lightning connector fun - I'm shocked they even allow the public the privilege of rating them, as stars visually may take away from that antiseptic hospital aesthetic they go for.

If you don't think the entire thing was simply about changing to a new, proprietary connector simply to make obsolete millions and millions of non-Apple devices out there (not just interfaces, but simply CHARGERS for crying out loud) - I'm out of bridges to sell, but I'll sell you this magic bracelet - a magical bracelet called MM+ which is entirely about benefiting guests at WDW by making their visit more enjoyable and has nothing to do with extracting more $ from guests and a formal regulation of theme park flow to eek every inch of capacity so as not to have to actually add anything new....

In the period of time, I've had non-Apple cellphones that have used two different proprietary cables, mini USB and micro USB. After using the lightning connector it is a much better connector than micro USB as it can plug in in either orientation and snaps firmly into place.

Oh, yes, their proprietary connector is better than anything USB - because the U in USB means UNIVERSAL. As in, Apple's wallet doesn't go "cha-ching" for each and every one sold.

I have to say, I do laugh at the only justification folks have for it - because folks after all these years can't tell one side of a USB cable from another. It's total humor - I mean, first of all, ONE END of a "Lightning Cable" (insert Superhero entrance musical cue) it is still USB, so you still have to go through this arduous task of picking Side A or Side B, since you have to plug it in to something. Second, mini- and micro-USB have distinctive shapes unlike a full sized USB male end, so this is not an issue at all - as well they are designed to fit just as tightly/securely to the device.

There already was a solution to the "problem" - use the same frakking connector as virtually every other electronics product we own. I have full sets of USB connectors in several areas of my home so I can just walk up and charge whatever device I happen to need to at the moment - except anything Apple. Because Apple is a special snowflake and it's products are just so dang magical they need to have a unique power connector - no crummy standard USB for my baby...

In all seriousness, if it's really so difficult to remember which uniquely visual side is which (one side is smooth, one is not...), there is a really good solution to that: flip it around. Once. It's not like it's a 20-sided cable, ROFL. Now I'm sure someone will say "Yeah, but some guy had a fit once and destroyed his USB port trying to shove one in the wrong way!" and I'll say, "I'm sure. Stupid, impatient folks do all kinds of dumb things."

I think the future USB standard including it as a feature that you can plug it in any way is great, makes sense - but it's not the reason for it's existence - nor is it here. It's simply a minor annoyance at best in only the very most first world ways.

I have an iPhone, and Android tablet and a Windows PC. I use what's best and for the past few years, for a cellphone, that has been the iPhone. Exactly what stats on the iPhone fall short of what you can get on an Android device and how do those shortcomings actually effect the user?

Well, if you read the post I wrote before you replied, I pointed out two particularly: camera and display quality.

The foamers over at iMore even put together a handy chart! I have to give them props, though - for a site that so unabashedly elevates every sneeze Apple makes that it makes the Disney Blog look like a vicious Disney hater site, they were real honest about showing it's shortcomings.

But, since I know they send those secret iMessages with Apple Superiority Syntax talking points, I'll save you the trouble: "It doesn't matter that the new iPhones rank in the low end of their competition when it comes to screen DPI - Retina is enough, I mean, it says it right there - Retina! It's as good as your eyes - Jobs said!" and "It doesn't matter that the 8MP camera has half the resolution of most competitors - it's not about the MP, the main measurement of camera quality, with Apple's amazing proprietary software you don't need a high MP sensor"...
 

71jason

Well-Known Member
I am not sure whether I agree. But I do think the third park must have a different feel than both of the existing ones. It needs to truly be different (again, while DA may set a new standard for themed area, it still is just that, one part of a much larger whole).

I agree the format is stale. Even EPCOT and to a lesser extent DHS, which started off trying to break the mold somewhat, have become variations on MK. The only truly unique parks are the water parks, which follow their own blueprint, and Discovery Cove.
 

cheezbat

Well-Known Member
Want a car that lasts? Don't buy an American one. Amazing how I have never had issues with my Mercdees and Hondas over the years, but every American car I have owned (from the Big 3) were made like no one really gave a **** about making a quality product.

I just found out that an old Honda I sold to a friend for his son to use at college about 8-9 years ago is still ''running like new'' after 14 years and over 200,000 miles.
Haha for the most part I agree...

Lucky for me I take care of my car...at about 200,000 miles right now and still ticking. I am quite surprised seeing as how it's a Pontiac Sunfire, but it just keeps on going!

Totally agree though. Sad how 'American made' normally means garbage.
 

ThemeParkJunkee

Well-Known Member
On a rather weird note. I think I am attached to the one human being who is so "magically" inspired by Avatar that he is looking forward to the sequels, intends to see all three at the IMAX and would be willing to go to Orlando again after our two week trip this October just to check out Pandora at AK. So...maybe we will leave for Tokyo from Orlando?

ETA: I just found this out tonight while discussing movies with some friends.
 

stevehousse

Well-Known Member
I believe you will find that the Lightning Cable requires one of the newer 5W power adapters (Apple is even snotty about power). If that's not the case, then my apologies and we can just delete my posts, because of course if I was incorrect about that of course I must be totally off-base about everything. Regardless, yes, each full charging set does cost the amount specified - because, well, Apple.

They sell you the cable for $19 (1m)or $29(2m), and the power adapter is $19. So each set costs you $40-50. As someone who doesn't fancy carrying and unplugging chargers all the time, once I committed to Apple's products, I have them at home, work, and in between, packed in travel bags, etc. - an entire eco-system of cables and chargers - that cannot be used with a new iPhone. I did it all once with their proprietary cable, I'm not about to repeat that just because they want me to for no reason which I benefit from aside from the privilege of continuing to purchase their products.

Oh, but wait! I can pay $29 each for an adapter to continue to use them (which has spotty availability since they finally came out well after they changed over, it appears available at the moment, who knows tomorrow) - but the cord is obsolete, so how can that be? If all I need is their proprietary adapter to hook up to the old nasty connector that is obsolete and needs to be killed off and is somehow substandard for my phone experience - I can pay them $29/cable to adapt the same cable they are telling be is obsolete back? Man, how does that work? If that cable is so necessary to get rid of, how come they let me keep it if I pay?

Seriously, though, just look at the reviews on Apple's own site linked above on all this lightning connector fun - I'm shocked they even allow the public the privilege of rating them, as stars visually may take away from that antiseptic hospital aesthetic they go for.

If you don't think the entire thing was simply about changing to a new, proprietary connector simply to make obsolete millions and millions of non-Apple devices out there (not just interfaces, but simply CHARGERS for crying out loud) - I'm out of bridges to sell, but I'll sell you this magic bracelet - a magical bracelet called MM+ which is entirely about benefiting guests at WDW by making their visit more enjoyable and has nothing to do with extracting more $ from guests and a formal regulation of theme park flow to eek every inch of capacity so as not to have to actually add anything new....



Oh, yes, their proprietary connector is better than anything USB - because the U in USB means UNIVERSAL. As in, Apple's wallet doesn't go "cha-ching" for each and every one sold.

I have to say, I do laugh at the only justification folks have for it - because folks after all these years can't tell one side of a USB cable from another. It's total humor - I mean, first of all, ONE END of a "Lightning Cable" (insert Superhero entrance musical cue) it is still USB, so you still have to go through this arduous task of picking Side A or Side B, since you have to plug it in to something. Second, mini- and micro-USB have distinctive shapes unlike a full sized USB male end, so this is not an issue at all - as well they are designed to fit just as tightly/securely to the device.

There already was a solution to the "problem" - use the same frakking connector as virtually every other electronics product we own. I have full sets of USB connectors in several areas of my home so I can just walk up and charge whatever device I happen to need to at the moment - except anything Apple. Because Apple is a special snowflake and it's products are just so dang magical they need to have a unique power connector - no crummy standard USB for my baby...

In all seriousness, if it's really so difficult to remember which uniquely visual side is which (one side is smooth, one is not...), there is a really good solution to that: flip it around. Once. It's not like it's a 20-sided cable, ROFL. Now I'm sure someone will say "Yeah, but some guy had a fit once and destroyed his USB port trying to shove one in the wrong way!" and I'll say, "I'm sure. Stupid, impatient folks do all kinds of dumb things."

I think the future USB standard including it as a feature that you can plug it in any way is great, makes sense - but it's not the reason for it's existence - nor is it here. It's simply a minor annoyance at best in only the very most first world ways.



Well, if you read the post I wrote before you replied, I pointed out two particularly: camera and display quality.

The foamers over at iMore even put together a handy chart! I have to give them props, though - for a site that so unabashedly elevates every sneeze Apple makes that it makes the Disney Blog look like a vicious Disney hater site, they were real honest about showing it's shortcomings.

But, since I know they send those secret iMessages with Apple Superiority Syntax talking points, I'll save you the trouble: "It doesn't matter that the new iPhones rank in the low end of their competition when it comes to screen DPI - Retina is enough, I mean, it says it right there - Retina! It's as good as your eyes - Jobs said!" and "It doesn't matter that the 8MP camera has half the resolution of most competitors - it's not about the MP, the main measurement of camera quality, with Apple's amazing proprietary software you don't need a high MP sensor"...
You know you can just go to "Five Below" and get a wall adapter and cable for $5 dollars each costing a total of only $10! And they work just as good as the Apple brand ones, don't waste your money...
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
Want a car that lasts? Don't buy an American one. Amazing how I have never had issues with my Mercdees and Hondas over the years, but every American car I have owned (from the Big 3) were made like no one really gave a **** about making a quality product.

I just found out that an old Honda I sold to a friend for his son to use at college about 8-9 years ago is still ''running like new'' after 14 years and over 200,000 miles.

I don't think it is as black and white as that. American vs Foreign cars is like politics everyone has a story including me. When I was young the debate was Ford or GM's, Much like John Deere or IH tractors. Everyone believes they are the oracle of knowledge.

My first Car was a Mustang that was an amazing vehicle, though I still don't own it she only had minor issues, kept her 12 years. I unloaded next a Chrysler New Yorker after a few years and bought a Dodge Ram pick up that went over 250,000. My DH this year just traded away his Lincoln Town Car that had over 200,000. My Ram was replaced with a Ford Escape, knock wood a good vehicle. My DH just bought an Escape too. My DD has a 2004 Chevy Caviler we bought from an Estate of a former neighbor, not a spot of rust and everything works and always starts. My son at 16 was given my Dads 91 Cutlass Supreme in 2003 and he sold it to a collector 10 years after driving it through High School and college. My Mom has a 2004 Monte Carlo that is still very pretty and always runs and my Dad still has his 2002 Olds Intrigue that is a solid vehicle and incredibly good on the highway and comfy to-boot.

I think the key for us is we maintain our vehicles and living in the land of salt and snow, we wash them frequently to avoid the rust repairs. In all the years of American Cars we only had that one that wasn't worth keeping and likely something that can happen with a foreign or domestic vehicle.
 

Cesar R M

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So, people are addicted to something that isn't all that healthy for them ... and Disney should make it easier to feed that addiction? I just don't think so.

But one day some moron is going to stick their iPad up in front of my face to tape the entire PotC ride and I am going to accidentally knock that piece of (blank) into the water. Oops.
"whoopsy daisy! how awful of me!" (insert maniacal laughing here)
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
But one day some moron is going to stick their iPad up in front of my face to tape the entire PotC ride and I am going to accidentally knock that piece of (blank) into the water. Oops.

Oy, I am sorry for your loss.... :(

And with all that you are dealing with ya made me laugh with this iPad line! Kudos. I'm old enough to remember the dumb walking around with laptops strapped around their torsos' filming the parks. Crazy guest sightings. :facepalm:
 
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AEfx

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This has nothing to do with being an Apple fan. You're just throwing out anything you can to try to complain about things that for the most part are not unique to Apple. I don't get the persistent whining over cables. The days of a cable that plugged directly into the power socket have long since passed. Heck, the whole reason Android devices don't get so many updates is because the update cycle is faster and the manufacturers just forget about old devices as they focus on their new ones. It's like saying the weather at Walt Disney World perfect but the weather at Universal Orlando Resort sucks or vice versa. Yeah, sometimes it can be pouring at one and not the other, but it is not a unique resort induced characteristic.

I understand the pro's of lightening, but that has nothing to do with that discussion. That charging station is just over a year old and it should be operational to support Disney's DME. My point of the post way back when was Disney not having a maintenance schedule for making sure their equipment was in good working order, which it was not, 12 broken, 0 operational. IMO Disney's operations model should not be relent on guests to go to Guest Services to report nothing in their recharging station is operational and that all units are broken. When Disney install systems like this they should have a maintenance system in place to make sure the system is remains operational. It should be part of that departments job description and duties. As I said that kinda stuff drives me nuts, they advertise it on their maps yet don't bother to keep operational. Even more important now that they removed the trial charging lockers. All of this should have been imagineered into the DME before it was launched.

Gabe -

Your post really made me do some thinking. lazyboy97o is completely right. My opinions on Apple were completely irrational, there really is an answer for everything. And your post made me realize that we should also give WDW the same deference.

I mean, why would we expect Disney to keep on top of keeping that USB station working? I mean, have you been to any other amusement park before? Most don't even have chargers - we should just be happy that Disney even tries here.

Who cares if Disney doesn't keep up appearance maintenance like they used to - all that cleaning and paint was bad for the environment anyway. Again, just like every other amusement park - I took some kids to my local $21.95/day amusement park earlier this summer, and I swear the tarp over the Merry Go Round hasn't been changed, or even cleaned, since I was a kid. Poor upkeep is just part of amusement parks, it's nothing specific to WDW.

Conversely, though, everything WDW does is better intrinsically because, duh, it's WDW. Say what you will about SGE - it's in the Magic Freakin' Kingdom, guy! It's an automatic win! There is no need to hold them to higher standards, or expect them to lead - they don't need to, they are better by default.

MM+ is truly a gifted design. We just don't understand it. Disney won't settle for anything but the best guest experience - that's what they are known for, man! Even when it doesn't seem like they are, they simply know better what we need than we do. This is the wave of the future - expect bathroom FP+ to follow after they roll it out to all fast food. It's for the best, the old way of eating when you are hungry and pooing when you have digested was so obsolete, anyway. Hey, I can tell you - I really can't wait to get that 1:15-1:20PM FP+ for Tangled Toilets - I like to beat out all those dads who take their post-lunch breaks in there to sit and read park maps on the john to get a few quiet minutes away. And really, with Disney's technology, I'm sure they know more about when we should take care of our potty business better than we could, we need to trust them.

Anyone who thinks Disney is lagging is just a hater, Universal can never offer attractions better than what WDW already has because it's DISNEY. Doesn't matter what they do. Can never top the best. And anything you find wrong at WDW? Just go to your local amusement park - everyplace has these problems. These are not specific to WDW.

It's like the whole world is clear now.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Gabe -

Your post really made me do some thinking. lazyboy97o is completely right. My opinions on Apple were completely irrational, there really is an answer for everything. And your post made me realize that we should also give WDW the same deference.

I mean, why would we expect Disney to keep on top of keeping that USB station working? I mean, have you been to any other amusement park before? Most don't even have chargers - we should just be happy that Disney even tries here.

Who cares if Disney doesn't keep up appearance maintenance like they used to - all that cleaning and paint was bad for the environment anyway. Again, just like every other amusement park - I took some kids to my local $21.95/day amusement park earlier this summer, and I swear the tarp over the Merry Go Round hasn't been changed, or even cleaned, since I was a kid. Poor upkeep is just part of amusement parks, it's nothing specific to WDW.

Conversely, though, everything WDW does is better intrinsically because, duh, it's WDW. Say what you will about SGE - it's in the Magic Freakin' Kingdom, guy! It's an automatic win! There is no need to hold them to higher standards, or expect them to lead - they don't need to, they are better by default.

MM+ is truly a gifted design. We just don't understand it. Disney won't settle for anything but the best guest experience - that's what they are known for, man! Even when it doesn't seem like they are, they simply know better what we need than we do. This is the wave of the future - expect bathroom FP+ to follow after they roll it out to all fast food. It's for the best, the old way of eating when you are hungry and pooing when you have digested was so obsolete, anyway. Hey, I can tell you - I really can't wait to get that 1:15-1:20PM FP+ for Tangled Toilets - I like to beat out all those dads who take their post-lunch breaks in there to sit and read park maps on the john to get a few quiet minutes away. And really, with Disney's technology, I'm sure they know more about when we should take care of our potty business better than we could, we need to trust them.

Anyone who thinks Disney is lagging is just a hater, Universal can never offer attractions better than what WDW already has because it's DISNEY. Doesn't matter what they do. Can never top the best. And anything you find wrong at WDW? Just go to your local amusement park - everyplace has these problems. These are not specific to WDW.

It's like the whole world is clear now.
You don't add anything to a conversation by just going on a tirade and taking sarcastic jabs at people.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
There is no mirror, just your angry rants because people are challenging your position. You are the one acting far more like those who stomp their feet at people questioning Disney.

I know, I said, I'm just an irrational hater. I admitted it. You are right. I have no point whatsoever about Apple. you really did have an answer for everything - Apple is just like everyone else. I understand now.
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
I've always bought American cars. One time only back around 1991, I bought an Acura and it was by far the worst car I've ever owned. Likely was a lemon because they are supposed to be more reliable, but personal experience trumps all. I do prefer to buy American when I can though...which is another reason I prefer Apple over Samsung and other competitors. For some reason, that preference didn't hold when came time to decide between a PS3 and an Xbox.
Apple honestly as nothing "American" in therms of product quality.
99% of their products are designed by either Samsung or Foxconn and assembled in Foxcoon in china.

I still get annoyed at the Apple hardcore fans claiming their products never fail...
Specially when you notice the very nasty campaigns by Steve Jobs, trying to silence the gigantic complains when their products had severe production defects.

You know you can just go to "Five Below" and get a wall adapter and cable for $5 dollars each costing a total of only $10! And they work just as good as the Apple brand ones, don't waste your money...
kinda reminds me of these "monster cables". Selling DIGITAL OPTICAL cables for 100+ USD because they have "gold plated tips" and "reinforced cover" to prevent "interference".
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
I know, I said, I'm just an irrational hater. I admitted it. You are right. I have no point whatsoever about Apple. you really did have an answer for everything - Apple is just like everyone else. I understand now.
And there it goes again. I have made no statements such as you are trying to claim. You're trying to play this marry game and it just makes you look pathetic. I have plenty of criticisms regard Apple's products and some have been stated in this thread. My ability to think your criticisms are ill founded is not a contradiction of my ability to have my own issues with their products.
 

Nubs70

Well-Known Member
I admit that American autos are getting better (although defining what is American is sorta crazy when you can buy a Toyota that is 87% built in the USA for instance). ... I hadn't even driven a Ford in years when I rented in SoCal in May and wound up with a brand new (996 miles) Ford Mustang. Understand, when I was young, I loved those cars. I owned three. Top of the line, except the first. They were powerful ... powerful pieces of (blank) and I vowed back in the 90s to never get another Ford product.

And service? Recall, this was a company who for decades used ''Quality is Job 1'' as their ad slogan ... I should have known what I was in for when I brought my first Mustang to the dealer at 15 months because the AC had died. I was told by the service manager that the AC ''is only designed to cool the car to 80 degrees'' and then wanted to charge me $1,200 (yes this was back when American automakers were so confident in the quality of their products that typical warranty was one year or 12,000 miles, whichever came first!) I wanted to pick up a wrench and watch piece of his jaw go flying ... but I simply delivered a few expletives, demanded the keys and left (and paid about $400 to a non-Ford dealer to fix it -- and $400 was a HUGE sum to me at that time!)

There's no doubt they have improved by a HUGE amount now. The car I rented was sweet. And fit and finish, which to US automakers always meant cheap, plastic and crap, was best I have ever seen on a Ford. Loved driving it. But it still didn't feel as solid as it should have ... and I could never see myself buying one again.
If you need a mission statement regarding quality, your product is not a quality product. Quality is implied by the experience not expressed. I generally hate mission statements. My biggest pet peeve of mission statements is " honesty and integrity." If you need to express that your goal is "Honesty and Integrity", your workplace is most likely a den of backstabbers.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
And there it goes again. I have made no statements such as you are trying to claim. You're trying to play this marry game and it just makes you look pathetic. I have plenty of criticisms regard Apple's products and some have been stated in this thread. My ability to think your criticisms are ill founded is not a contradiction of my ability to have my own issues with their products.

Wow, if I'm the one who is angry, I won't guess as to your state to be so upset by my pointing out the uncanny similarity of your statements about Apple to the Pixie Dust statements about WDW that you have to stoop to calling me "pathetic".

I don't wish to deal with moderators - before this descends any further or I upset you any more, I think my contribution regarding Apple has come to a close.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
Gabe -

Your post really made me do some thinking. lazyboy97o is completely right. My opinions on Apple were completely irrational, there really is an answer for everything. And your post made me realize that we should also give WDW the same deference.

I mean, why would we expect Disney to keep on top of keeping that USB station working? I mean, have you been to any other amusement park before? Most don't even have chargers - we should just be happy that Disney even tries here.

Who cares if Disney doesn't keep up appearance maintenance like they used to - all that cleaning and paint was bad for the environment anyway. Again, just like every other amusement park - I took some kids to my local $21.95/day amusement park earlier this summer, and I swear the tarp over the Merry Go Round hasn't been changed, or even cleaned, since I was a kid. Poor upkeep is just part of amusement parks, it's nothing specific to WDW.

Conversely, though, everything WDW does is better intrinsically because, duh, it's WDW. Say what you will about SGE - it's in the Magic Freakin' Kingdom, guy! It's an automatic win! There is no need to hold them to higher standards, or expect them to lead - they don't need to, they are better by default.

MM+ is truly a gifted design. We just don't understand it. Disney won't settle for anything but the best guest experience - that's what they are known for, man! Even when it doesn't seem like they are, they simply know better what we need than we do. This is the wave of the future - expect bathroom FP+ to follow after they roll it out to all fast food. It's for the best, the old way of eating when you are hungry and pooing when you have digested was so obsolete, anyway. Hey, I can tell you - I really can't wait to get that 1:15-1:20PM FP+ for Tangled Toilets - I like to beat out all those dads who take their post-lunch breaks in there to sit and read park maps on the john to get a few quiet minutes away. And really, with Disney's technology, I'm sure they know more about when we should take care of our potty business better than we could, we need to trust them.

Anyone who thinks Disney is lagging is just a hater, Universal can never offer attractions better than what WDW already has because it's DISNEY. Doesn't matter what they do. Can never top the best. And anything you find wrong at WDW? Just go to your local amusement park - everyplace has these problems. These are not specific to WDW.

It's like the whole world is clear now.

Me thinks I've stepped into something much larger than my annoyance of 12 broken charging stations at Tangled Potties.
 

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