The Spirited Seventh Heaven ...

WildcatDen

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Saddest thing I ever saw one unseasonably cold December afternoon was the TNA street team begging Universal guests hustling for the exit to come see a free taping "because it's warm inside!".
OK. I am guessing TNA stands for something different that what is assumed? I have a hard time believing there would not be a long line for something like that, air conditioning or no.

On a solid note, since we are continuing thread drifts, can we also revive the sandwich discussion? What does everyone think about Jimmy John's versus Subway?
 

71jason

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Oh my god!!!, I never imagined I would see this in a disney forum!!.
I tough this was something you could see in drama and weird site news only.
I got the deja-vu because I know about this creepy girl ( I think). She also had insane amounts of creepy fanart (including male pregnancy) and claiming the char Beetlejuice was hers and only hers. :eek:

Wow, news to me, tho can't say I'm shocked. (OK, male pregnancy fanart = kind of shocked.)

But at least she remembered the cardinal rule of cosplaying/DisneyBounding: if you insist on doing it, at least be hot.
 

Mike S

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You're right, I should have clarified. Beyond nostalgia, Disney has other "rules" to fit stuff in with existing themes. Proper places for characters, the themed lands in Animal Kingdom are very limiting, etc. Universal Studios really doesn't have this restriction. As such, their parks are allowed to be an amalgamation of different properties without any protest of thematic intrusions. The last and only complaint of a thematic intrusion I ever recall hearing about Universal was Rip Ride Rock It, and that's only because it's a relatively bare bones steel roller coaster.
I would add Dragon Challenge to that too. It's a pretty big intrusion in an otherwise perfectly designed land.
 

71jason

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Holy sexism, Batman. How about we blame both parents and not try to pin this on mothers, eh?

I absolutely blame fathers who don't play a role in their child's upbringing. But it's beyond parents--I'm talking all authority figures. Gen Y was the first where significant numbers of kids, probably the majority, had a female principal, Scout leader, first boss ... It permeates the culture and reaches kids who grew up in a traditional two-parent family, the same way divorce affected the psyche of all of us in Gen X, even those whose parents stayed married. It's a macro view of the culture.

But way off topic here, happy to continue in private messages.

ETA: since we're assigning blame, does that mean we at least found common ground in agreeing Gen Y males seem to go out of their way to avoid conflict? Because that was my larger point.
 
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PhotoDave219

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OK. I am guessing TNA stands for something different that what is assumed? I have a hard time believing there would not be a long line for something like that, air conditioning or no.

On a solid note, since we are continuing thread drifts, can we also revive the sandwich discussion? What does everyone think about Jimmy John's versus Subway?

First, TNA is a wrestling promotion much like WWE.... Without the billions of dollars.

Second, Wawa > jimmyjohn's or subway
 

PrincessNelly_NJ

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I absolutely blame fathers who don't play a role in their child's upbringing. But it's beyond parents--I'm talking all authority figures. Gen Y was the first where significant numbers of kids, probably the majority, had a female principal, Scout leader, first boss ... It permeates the culture and reaches kids who grew up in a traditional two-parent family, the same way divorce affected the psyche of all of us in Gen X, even those whose parents stayed married. It's a macro view of the culture.

But way off topic here, happy to continue in private messages.
o_O
@71jason... :facepalm:you're doing it again...
Know what? You're right... lets just stay on topic.. :angelic:
wait, do spirited threads even have topics?!? LOL
 

Soarin' Over Pgh

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Really? I see a very limited range of Potter merch in Orlando outside the parks, which is odd given that even Publix and Wal-Mart devote an aisle to Disney merch.


I don't recall seeing a lot of merchandise in the form of toys (and plushes, games, etc.) while the movies were coming out and especially, now.

I do recall Lego Harry Potter sets, but lately the big Lego displays are centered on Star Wars and the ton of (adorable and I want them all) different little SW Lego figures.

Those set are crazy expensive.
 

GoofGoof

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I don't recall seeing a lot of merchandise in the form of toys (and plushes, games, etc.) while the movies were coming out and especially, now.

I do recall Lego Harry Potter sets, but lately the big Lego displays are centered on Star Wars and the ton of (adorable and I want them all) different little SW Lego figures.

Those set are crazy expensive.
Lego Harry Potter isn't particularly popular. According to brickpicker.com's top selling Lego sets last month the first Harry Potter set comes in at #28. The 27 in front of it are almost all Star Wars with some Batman and Marvel sets mixed in. Star Wars rules the Lego world.
 

PrincessNelly_NJ

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Lego Harry Potter isn't particularly popular. According to brickpicker.com's top selling Lego sets last month the first Harry Potter set comes in at #28. The 27 in front of it are almost all Star Wars with some Batman and Marvel sets mixed in. Star Wars rules the Lego world.
It would probably be more popular if it was such an advanced lego set....
lego-harry-potter.jpg

I mean really, who comes up with these things? :rolleyes::D
 

FigmentJedi

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Disneyland's starting a fun little LARP-y thing in Frontierland this summer

http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/bl...e-story-of-legends-of-frontierland-gold-rush/

What if you could bring the Wild West to life in Frontierland? What if you could be anyone you want to be – a peacekeeper, an outlaw, a merchant, a miner, an heiress – the possibilities are endless! If you’ve ever imagined what life in Frontierland at Disneyland park would be like, you’re about to have the chance to write the first chapter of the story when “Legends of Frontierland: Gold Rush!” opens July 9.



Here’s the setting:

Frontierland and its neighbor, Rainbow Ridge, are in the midst of a good, ol’ fashioned land feud. Rainbow Ridge – a once-booming mining town – has dried up, and they have their eyes set on Frontierland. The steady, hardworking folk in Frontierland want to keep the town safe and free of rougharound-the-edges, opportunistic types. Rumors are spreading that gold has been discovered in mines belonging to Frontierland, and there is even a rumor that Frontierland itself sits on the motherlode! Whether or not the rumors are true, the folk in Rainbow Ridge have one thing on their minds: take over Frontierland! Thus, the struggle begins …

“Legends of Frontierland: Gold Rush!” will be a whole new way to experience a land in a Disney theme park. Instead of watching the story unfold, guests will be part of the story themselves – naming, creating and developing their own characters and influencing the direction and action of the story’s first chapter. The story will involve entertainment, merchandise, food and more – throughout Frontierland.

Actually sounds more exciting then the screen-based scavenger hunts and empty-saloon in Florida.
 

Soarin' Over Pgh

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A quick Amazon search yields interesting results in regards to toys.


Good luck sorting through the Avatar stuff to actually find Avatar toys NOT related to Avatar: the last airbender (which is apparently pretty popular). I found a bunch of action figures eventually (most with only a handful of reviews) and the funniest would be the Jake Sully fangs for 45 cents, which is about 43 cents too many. The Star Wars most popular toys apparently are all LEGO.

The most popular Harry Potter toys right now are a HP pen and bookmark and wall stickies. The HP Lego games are also on that first page.
 

Goofyernmost

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Using terms like "under utilized"... who is defining that? Under your description (seems similar enough to TDO) an attraction is under utilized if its visitation is less than a more "popular" attraction. I would like to think that after 40 plus years, we the guests to the theme park vote with our feet and our minds by queuing up for an attraction that we decide is worth waiting for. We decide if an attraction is popular and we decide if its worth waiting for. Under the new system, that is no longer the case. All attractions are expected to share the load of the more popular ones.

"Under utilized" attractions like Stitch should be expected to take some of the burden away from Space Mountain. Should the Haunted Mansion get more guests waiting for it because people were steered to it instead of Splash? Someone wanting to queue up for Soarin' should be steered towards Imagination since it isn't carrying it's weight?

If an attraction isn't getting huge queues, it is due to one of two factors: the attraction has high capacity (like an omnimover) or the guests have already decided that the attraction isn't worth riding or more importantly - worth waiting for to begin with. Is Stitch with a FP+ reservation in 10 minutes suddenly a better value than what use to be a 10 minute wait for Haunted Mansion? Of course not. The issue with FP+ is that now the wait that use to be 10 minutes for an omnimover is artificially inflated.

Of course you can't keep building attractions (rides/shows/stuff) indefinately. You need to prune the branches of a tree to help it grow. Imagination, Stitch, Energy, and the list goes on and on. There's plenty of "plussing" that can be had; but, at the same time - you can't just reskin an attraction and call it a win. Test Track is a great example. Good refurb; but, same net capacity to the resort.

The simple fact is that attendance is on the rise in Orlando; but, growth has not kept up. If you want to get people into Stitch's space, you need to give them a reason to go there. If you want to fill up the Energy pavilion, update it. If you want people to stay longer in Studios or AK, give them more things to do.

Balacing demand, under utilized, and crowd shaping... all of these issues would go away with a little more TLC and less theory crafting virtual theme park simulation.

I did find this picture of one of TDO's biggest fans:
Anything that is "under-utilized" is because it isn't promoted enough to make it popular. It is very easy for Disney or anyone else to kill off something by just ignoring it. New people, somehow or the other, have already made up their minds that they dislike an attraction without ever seeing it? How does that work anyway. So Disney puts up a FP attraction back when FP started and due to the fact that it has a FP assumes that it must be a great attraction, so all the rest are ignored because time is being spent on running for FP's instead of seeing a non-fastpass attraction. Some did surpass that like Pirates, IASW and Haunted Mansion, but, that was because of history and promotion.

There is a Little Mermaid ride. And the Barnstormer is a "Goofy" ride, I guess.
And a Peter Pan and a Philhamagic and a Buzz Lightyear and a Cinderella Castle and a Snow White and the 7 dwarfs and a Stitch (which people hate just out of principle I guess)

Isn't "GUESTS ARE NOT INFORMED" speaking in absolutes as well?

The park isn't full of experts, but I don't think it's completely full of people who aren't informed either. Several folks who do their research and have been several times don't need these signs and directional assistance in order to make a decision. They also know that if they see a line for Mansion that's 50 mins, they can come back at a more opportune time where there will be a shorter wait.

You are correct to an extent, there are some guests that only hit certain attractions which leads to other attractions being overlooked. Or (on the more extreme level) they don't know what attractions are and decide to skip them. I think Disney with MM+ has created an environment where research before the trip is a necessity. Some still won't do it, but over time I think we will see less people coming unprepared to their vacation.
Part of the problem with "informing" them is that they don't want to know what an attraction consists of, they want to know if they will like it or is it worth their time. It is a stupid question and is usually followed by a stupid response. I hate it, I love it, it's worse then castor oil. That is the kind of information that they receive. They don't even see it and already they have an opinion. Example ask randomly, How do you like Stitch? One these boards filled with biased, I want to see something different but don't change anything, people they hate it. Is there a rational reason why? Not really. The biggest thing is that of a concern for a chilli dog burp. Amazing, a group of adults are getting upset because of an mildly unpleasant odor. Where is the sense of humor where is the childlike immersion that everyone talks about. No, the reason is because it replace their favorite "scary" Alien, with one that is more kid friendly. Is that really a good reason to tell people to not go see it. Isn't it possible that they might just like it?

Maybe I should have added "as said by people who know what they're talking about"
I'm afraid that I have to disagree with that just a little. It is overused because it isn't a real thing. You don't get immersed in anything, you are not part of the scene, you are only along for the ride. You see it up-close and personal, but are still not a part of it. (Possible exception is Mission: Space) Everything else is just a mere observational experience. In my opinion, so any talk about immersion is just plan imaginary. It might serve to allow you to let your inhibitions go and enjoy yourself, but, you don't really get to be part of it, just close to it. Sort of like being Vice-President. Not political, just a joke! Put down the pitchforks!
 
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Nubs70

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What? This is way off topic, and I don't want to take up too much time on this thread discussing it, but being on a sports team as a child is not a necessity for growing up into a well-adjusted, responsible adult. And, frankly, too many kids are so overly scheduled in organized activities these days that even if it were a requirement, this would be a non-issue. In fact, I would say exactly the opposite--too many directed, scheduled, organized activities hamper a child's development of imagination, problem solving and coping skills. The younger generations would be better served by being left to their own devices for more of their entertainment rather than signed up for yet another rec league sports team.
Not a necessity but will increase the probability.

Being in organised sport teaches you that:
  • You are only one of many.
  • Sometimes sacrifice of personal goals for group success is more important.
  • Life is not fair.
  • How to deal with failure.
  • Long term success is better than immediate gratification.
  • Some things you suck at, so stop wasting your time.
 

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