Magenta Panther
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Bairstow
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Not buying it.
I think what happened is that Palantir mentioned a theoretical terrorist bombing of Walt Disney World in a sales pitch to the government, a couple business journals mentioned this, and some conspiracy wackos picked up on it and ran with it.
Nubs70
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These are 2 entities that are currently involved with the creation of NGE/MM+ with Google coming in to help clean up the mess. So please Google the names, look at company origins, clients, and funding sources. Let us know what you find down the rabbit hole.
Magenta Panther
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Bairstow
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lol no.
You're the one who threw out the conspiracy theory, so the research is on you.
You find anything convincing and I'll read it.
NearTheEars
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I don't really have a dog in this fight, but just because a person pre-ordered doesn't guarantee they are also going to shovel in their food as fast as possible does it?
They could sit back and relax and enjoy the sights as long as they want, regardless of how they ordered.
Just an observation.
TinkerBelle8878
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I think perhaps these higher ups at Disney need to revisit an 80s tv commercial for Ewok plush...kids, both boys and girls, playing and re-enacting Star Wars in their backyards with these Ewok toys. And yes one of the girls had a Princess Neesa (sp?) Ewok, so there's the Princesses between her and Leia. Marketed towards all kids, no mass separation of boys/girls. This was how to market a product.
If they are so set on separating girls and boys, market up that Leia is a Princess. Just a different kind of princess than Ariel, Cinderella or Aurora.
Kids at nursery schools play Star Wars. Girls and Boys. Original Leia, Luke, Han movies. Its their way of circumventing the 'No Superhero' rule
Disney is way out of touch with future consumers.
Animaniac93-98
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How about instead of putting everything into a "girl" or "boy" box, we just create immersive experiences that appeal to people across generations and demographics?
Is that too crazy, or have I missed the memo were it was decided Haunted Mansion was a "boys" ride?
Is that too crazy, or have I missed the memo were it was decided Haunted Mansion was a "boys" ride?
ThemeParkJunkee
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As a "mom" with four children and five grandchildren, I wholeheartedly agree. My daughters were Star Wars fans that raised Star Wars fans including a 9 month old girl who wears Darth Vader shirts. They were never princesses and would never raise princesses. They are also Harry Potter fans and LOTR fans. The grandboys do love Cars and Superheros. Legos are the "go-to" gift. Did you know there are Harry Potter Legos?
Themes that all kids can enjoy makes more sense than princess-centric attractions and merchandise for any entertainment venue.
acishere
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I don't think the men who watch My Little Pony demo is allowed near theme parks anyway...
Animaniac93-98
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Beyond the makeover salons, character greets and dining experiences, I've yet to know a true "attraction" in WDW that was so "girly" it was impossible to enjoy for males. The closest thing I can think of would be Enchanted Tales with Belle, but that's still character related.
Little Mermaid disapoints for reasons besides the fact that it is based on a "princess" movie. A better ride would have easily overcome any such stigma.
Cesar R M
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Every park as a plan now, the only one remaining was DHS (star wars)?
I mean.. MK was just ended its expansion, AK is under construction already with Avatar and the expansions of shows, DHS is the one requiring most changes now.. and EPCOT seems full of things (with hard tickets and expanding festivals)
michmousefan
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All good points, but it's looking like there's more of a chance that Ep7 could get pushed to May '16:
http://www.firstshowing.net/2014/rumor-star-wars-episode-vii-could-get-pushed-back-to-2016/
As for the other SW movies, it would be a headache, but they can each just get pushed back a year or six mos. Not sure how Marvel would feel if a SW movie opens a couple weeks (even three) after one of their tentpoles.
Cesar R M
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Maybe he's just really excited about the Frozen sing along and fireworks
dammit Goofgoof! XD
Does Disney really fear to try to broaden the appeal in their parks? seriously?
They already have a full kingdom for little kids!
You could always do the classic Italian Mafia way.. "Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes"
Cesar R M
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Arent "Kids" the main target of Carsland?
Kids went nuts with the Cars's franchise. Otherwise.. how could explain the cars franchise selling BILLIONS in merchandise?.
Dunno about Avatar, but it was a hit with the female demographics(almost ever female friend of mine, praised the story and liked it a lot despite being pocahontas in space)
I am often reminded, nauseatingly, of how inconsequential I am and this forum is ... how nothing of substance is said and how no one of substance is paying attention. Now, that is a crock of fetid dung, but if it helps people get through the day, I say ... whatever.
The last time I checked TWDC was the largest media corporation on the planet, so I can see why the casual fan that makes up the bulk of the community might think that, unlike a real media outlet, forums/outlets like this one wouldn't even make for a whisper at TDO, let alone in Burbank. That's the easy, convenient way of diminishing the impact of legitimate social media engagement such as this (while I haven't reached it yet, I know someone mentioned the typical Spirited thread gets half a million clicks and, let's be serious, they aren't all from Andy and Sean and Michael and etc. etc.)
Often, given the current media environment, a lot of people say a lot of things and get a lot of attention. And, when you have the veneer of 'legitimate media' that works as one hell of an amplifier. Truth? Quite frequently you'll find better sourced information regarding TWDC in one of these threads than in traditional press sources. I was reminded of this Sunday when it was brought to my attention that Peter Lauria, formerly of Reuters, the NY Post and the Daily Beast (yes, he blew all those jobs), had put out the most nonsensical piece of faux journalism in a meandering fairytale that had FOX buying Viacom. Only, with that veneer of his, he was able to place the idea that this complete nonsense was being discussed widely and openly in major media and financial circles.
Turns out, by early morning Monday he was aggressively walking back the story from his Twit feed @PeterLauria3 ... first it was a not so crazy idea, then it became crazy, then it became a weird dream of his, only to be labeled a work of ''fanfic'' ... in other words, folks, he made it up. The problem is that you'd only know that he admitted that if you were following his Twitter feed. So, in less than 24 hours we go from him proposing a seismic shift in the media world to 'hey kids, about that FOX buying Viacom story ... well, I sorta made it up for kicks while using some herbal potion' .
I mention this because when looking at his Twitter feed (see, I don't just pay attention to Ricky Brigante or Merfie or Amity Corless) this afternoon the veteran business writer Tweeted out 'this is main reason why Disney might want to buy Univision ...' and you see friends (and JT too!) this is how you can often have crazy baseless stuff that's given a sense of legitimacy while folks here try to discredit well-sourced information, and some rumours too, put out there by myself and a select few others. Guess what? Univision may well be a good fit for TWDC and Iger The Acquirer, but if you follow that Tweet of his it leads to ESPN's Don Van Natta's Tweet crowing about the US-Portugal soccer audience. A little bit of trivia here: Don's wife, Lizette Alvarez, wrote that story on Disney and Gambling Hypocrisy thru the Marvel slot machines that we were talking about last year (or probably five million Spirited clicks ago) here on MAGIC.
Long story short, believe it or don't, but we make a difference (some more than others ... but all of us).
And some of us provide much better, more accurate and faster information on Disney and UNI and their parks and resorts than the Peter Laurias out there. And ... we don't make it up as we go along. When we are wrong, we own up to it, even if it wasn't our fault.
The last time I checked TWDC was the largest media corporation on the planet, so I can see why the casual fan that makes up the bulk of the community might think that, unlike a real media outlet, forums/outlets like this one wouldn't even make for a whisper at TDO, let alone in Burbank. That's the easy, convenient way of diminishing the impact of legitimate social media engagement such as this (while I haven't reached it yet, I know someone mentioned the typical Spirited thread gets half a million clicks and, let's be serious, they aren't all from Andy and Sean and Michael and etc. etc.)
Often, given the current media environment, a lot of people say a lot of things and get a lot of attention. And, when you have the veneer of 'legitimate media' that works as one hell of an amplifier. Truth? Quite frequently you'll find better sourced information regarding TWDC in one of these threads than in traditional press sources. I was reminded of this Sunday when it was brought to my attention that Peter Lauria, formerly of Reuters, the NY Post and the Daily Beast (yes, he blew all those jobs), had put out the most nonsensical piece of faux journalism in a meandering fairytale that had FOX buying Viacom. Only, with that veneer of his, he was able to place the idea that this complete nonsense was being discussed widely and openly in major media and financial circles.
Turns out, by early morning Monday he was aggressively walking back the story from his Twit feed @PeterLauria3 ... first it was a not so crazy idea, then it became crazy, then it became a weird dream of his, only to be labeled a work of ''fanfic'' ... in other words, folks, he made it up. The problem is that you'd only know that he admitted that if you were following his Twitter feed. So, in less than 24 hours we go from him proposing a seismic shift in the media world to 'hey kids, about that FOX buying Viacom story ... well, I sorta made it up for kicks while using some herbal potion' .
I mention this because when looking at his Twitter feed (see, I don't just pay attention to Ricky Brigante or Merfie or Amity Corless) this afternoon the veteran business writer Tweeted out 'this is main reason why Disney might want to buy Univision ...' and you see friends (and JT too!) this is how you can often have crazy baseless stuff that's given a sense of legitimacy while folks here try to discredit well-sourced information, and some rumours too, put out there by myself and a select few others. Guess what? Univision may well be a good fit for TWDC and Iger The Acquirer, but if you follow that Tweet of his it leads to ESPN's Don Van Natta's Tweet crowing about the US-Portugal soccer audience. A little bit of trivia here: Don's wife, Lizette Alvarez, wrote that story on Disney and Gambling Hypocrisy thru the Marvel slot machines that we were talking about last year (or probably five million Spirited clicks ago) here on MAGIC.
Long story short, believe it or don't, but we make a difference (some more than others ... but all of us).
And some of us provide much better, more accurate and faster information on Disney and UNI and their parks and resorts than the Peter Laurias out there. And ... we don't make it up as we go along. When we are wrong, we own up to it, even if it wasn't our fault.
Cesar R M
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They could also bought the franchise just for the value of it?.because not all boys want to grown up to be Princesses, even all boys who visit WDW.
Okay, that made me
And thanks, I needed a good laugh today.
Well, I certainly don't have WDW1974's contacts, and I have no expertise in what really goes into creating a Disney-level attraction...but I've had a feeling for a while that Disney was afraid to start building a Star Wars area. I figured it was maybe because it was waiting to see how the new movies do...a theory which I think makes at least some sense.
But if Disney's dragging its feet because it thinks SW doesn't appeal to the right demo...that makes no frickin sense at all.
Why the HECK did Disney buy Lucasfilm? Wasn't it because Iger felt Disney needed properties that are more appealing to boys, and he didn't want to have the Disney creatives come up with something new, because he's Iger and the flip side of Walt and also a cement head? So he just bought Lucas, a known brand especially loved by males, to solve that little demo problem. Right?
This focusing on target demographics is getting really stupid. Let me tell you something - one day I was in my grandma's attic, and I found some old stuff in a box. In that box was what looked like roadkill, but was actually the remains of a Davy Crockett coonskin hat. I brought it downstairs, by its raggedy old tail, and I laughingly asked my grandma why her brother didn't have it. She said "Because it's mine!" Yep, my grandma had AND wore a Davy Crockett coonskin hat when she was a kid...and it was special enough to her that she kept it in a box in the attic for like a million years (no offense, Grandma).
Personally, I think that demos based on gender don't matter all that much anymore. Grown men watch My Little Pony. Grown men loved Frozen, and other Disney films. Heck, maybe gender demos never DID matter that much, at least, not to Walt - he didn't care about target demographics. He just tried to create good stuff, and knew that good stuff will usually appeal to everybody.
Iger is a NERFHERDER and also a DOOKIE HEAD. That is all.
It still generates money based on merchandise.. meet and greets, dinners.. small shows and even the old movies/comics! Something you can leech with doing very little.
A new giant magician hat for every park center area!
are you my long lost brother? We have the same opinion in a lot of things!
Cesar R M
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If they keep some of the comics continuity, they might be using JAINA SOLO Fel.
FigmentJedi
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Which is astoundingly ignorant of them considering Ashley Eckstein, one of the regular celebrity guests/co-hosts of their fanboi demos-based event actually started a Star Wars clothing line for women that was actively promoted at said events.
While I'm on the warpath here (has that old phrase become politically incorrect?), I want to clarify what I said before, not that it should be necessary.
BUT ... what was stated was:
1.) Star Wars has been delayed for many reasons;
2.) Some you have heard, some you haven't;
3.) Barring a zombie apocalypse (something @Lee is actively preparing for), it will be happening before 2020 at WDW and DLR;
4.) SW was purchased partly to increase content that appeals to boys (of all ages);
5.) Some folks high up the Disney chain have stated on the record concerns that SW attracts a crowd that is 'inconsistent' with the demos the company most seeks (think of recent weekends!);
6.) I placed this out there to show just how clueless and out of touch some folks who have positions of power at Disney are;
I really don't wish to debate this. I am stating it. Digest it as you please.
BUT ... what was stated was:
1.) Star Wars has been delayed for many reasons;
2.) Some you have heard, some you haven't;
3.) Barring a zombie apocalypse (something @Lee is actively preparing for), it will be happening before 2020 at WDW and DLR;
4.) SW was purchased partly to increase content that appeals to boys (of all ages);
5.) Some folks high up the Disney chain have stated on the record concerns that SW attracts a crowd that is 'inconsistent' with the demos the company most seeks (think of recent weekends!);
6.) I placed this out there to show just how clueless and out of touch some folks who have positions of power at Disney are;
I really don't wish to debate this. I am stating it. Digest it as you please.