The Spirited 11th Hour ...

[Mike S]

I hate Disney's obsession with live-action remakes, but damn this is actually a good trailer

I really can't stop rewatching this trailer. Everything about it has me hooked.

 

[PhotoDave219]

John Tishman, of Tishman Realty and Construction, builder of EPCOT Center and the owners of the Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin Hotels, has passed away. He was 90.

 

[Fantasmicguy]

Look in the mirror friend, because you're part of the problem. The cynicism and arrogance of this post is unbelievable. You're in a make believe place called "Fantasyland" and you're too kewl to "play pretend with cardboard." Newsflash: You're not that cool. Maybe if you lighten up and participate instead of reacting with knee-jerk cynicism, you'd be able to enjoy those experiences that you consider so far beneath your contempt.

You are part of the problem if you are paying 100 (and rising)dollars to play with cardboard cut outs of characters. I mean its been Fantasyland since the park opened and no attraction was anywhere near that level of lameness. I'm sorry the animatronics are amazing but they are being wasted in that spot! You sarcastically said in one post that they should have built and E ticket but in all honesty they should have. Please imagine how many cool animatronics if that level could be seen in a Beauty and the Beast darkride. Please imagine if WDW could have gotten it's first trackless ride with an amazing be our guess scene. But no we get a glorified meet in great that includes playing imagine with cardboard! I'm sorry but me, you and everyone else was screwed by having that attraction built. But I do give credit for the wasted animatronics and is better then some other "attractions" for example Narnia but that is not the bar they should try to surpass.

 

[Cesar R M]

So many fanbois....

shh dave.. or ill contact my lawyer

 

[Cesar R M]

Big Hero 6 Screenwriter Daniel Gerson dies at age 49
http://comicbook.com/2016/02/08/big-hero-6-screenwriter-daniel-gerson-dies-at-49/

RIP... he wasnt that old.
so many lost to cancer lately.

 

[Cesar R M]

but they are cut so magically with wands and the card itself is made from childrens dreams.

and adult tears

Well, first off, you need to be like 3 feet tall. . .

you guys left me laughing very loud with your jokes tonight! thank you!

 

[Cesar R M]

Well they are crap if they couldn't come up with a better way to make the story interactive other than silly cardboard cut outs that you can make at home.

Plot Twist.. they were planing to sell board games with the same cut outs at 50 USD a piece?

I'm sure I'm going to open up another can of worms, so here goes...

I find this funny, everyone keeps complaining about these remakes, but on the whole they've been at minimum watchable to quite good and all have consistently performed at the box office.

Jungle Book looks like it will maintain this trend. Which is not something we can say about all their other live action offerings of late. In fact, I'm not really sure what loss people are lamenting. Someone find me any period in time when Disney live action has produced a consistently better slate, because live action has never been a strong suit at any point in time for Disney.

So at what point is this obsession actually not as dire as everyone is making it out to be? Formulaic definitely, but it's a formula that seems to be working.

not always.
look at famous turds like Green Lantern.

 

[Cesar R M]

I'll say it's similar to Stitch's Great Escape. Amazing AA's that could've been used for something sooooooooo much more.

I honestly think the poor animatronic is on its way out.. it was SOO DAMAGED back in January that it wasn't funny.
I wish I had my camera in hand.

You are part of the problem if you are paying 100 (and rising)dollars to play with cardboard cut outs of characters. I mean its been Fantasyland since the park opened and no attraction was anywhere near that level of lameness. I'm sorry the animatronics are amazing but they are being wasted in that spot! You sarcastically said in one post that they should have built and E ticket but in all honesty they should have. Please imagine how many cool animatronics if that level could be seen in a Beauty and the Beast darkride. Please imagine if WDW could have gotten it's first trackless ride with an amazing be our guess scene. But no we get a glorified meet in great that includes playing imagine with cardboard! I'm sorry but me, you and everyone else was screwed by having that attraction built. But I do give credit for the wasted animatronics and is better then some other "attractions" for example Narnia but that is not the bar they should try to surpass.

they could even do a "carousel of progress" style dark ride for beauty and the beast.. displaying the whole thing in different "scenes".

 

[ThemeParkJunkee]

I don't have time to read the entire book that is the "Compensation of the management and board of directors" that DIS sent me but it does seem as if 70% of compensation is "performance based" and a lot of that is earnings related. Because some is stock price related and Stocks and Options are a HUGE part of compensation, I really wish I had an expert to tell me what I am looking at here.
@ParentsOf4 ?

 

[Mike S]

You are part of the problem if you are paying 100 (and rising)dollars to play with cardboard cut outs of characters. I mean its been Fantasyland since the park opened and no attraction was anywhere near that level of lameness. I'm sorry the animatronics are amazing but they are being wasted in that spot! You sarcastically said in one post that they should have built and E ticket but in all honesty they should have. Please imagine how many cool animatronics if that level could be seen in a Beauty and the Beast darkride. Please imagine if WDW could have gotten it's first trackless ride with an amazing be our guess scene. But no we get a glorified meet in great that includes playing imagine with cardboard! I'm sorry but me, you and everyone else was screwed by having that attraction built. But I do give credit for the wasted animatronics and is better then some other "attractions" for example Narnia but that is not the bar they should try to surpass.

Also imagine that the queue with Maurice's cottage and the Magic Mirror was the same. Pretty much the same thing as Enchanted Tales but with a much better pay off at the end (a ride). Belle can read her stories in a small outside garden like she used to. Disney's first and so far only animated film to be nominated for Best Picture deserved so much more in their most popular park.

 

[wdisney9000]

You're in a make believe place called "Fantasyland" and you're too kewl to "play pretend with cardboard." Newsflash: You're not that cool. Maybe if you lighten up and participate instead of reacting with knee-jerk cynicism, you'd be able to enjoy those experiences that you consider so far beneath your contempt.

So your basically saying that because it is a land of Fantasy, it is upon the guest to create said fantasy with their own imagination when there is a lack thereof in an attraction that the guest paid a premium price to experience? Next time I visit, I will remind Disney to "lighten up" and accept my make believe money as from of payment for park admission. That should work, right? How is it "knee-jerk" cynicism to recognize when the company took a cheap shortcut? If it walks like a duck.....

But hey, I like this idea youve come up with. Next time a client has an issue with my company, I will just cite their cynicism and blame them for not creating a better a product in their mind and/or through participation.

 

[MichWolv]

I don't have time to read the entire book that is the "Compensation of the management and board of directors" that DIS sent me but it does seem as if 70% of compensation is "performance based" and a lot of that is earnings related. Because some is stock price related and Stocks and Options are a HUGE part of compensation, I really wish I had an expert to tell me what I am looking at here.
@ParentsOf4 ?

What would you like to know?

 

[doctornick]

You are part of the problem if you are paying 100 (and rising)dollars to play with cardboard cut outs of characters. I mean its been Fantasyland since the park opened and no attraction was anywhere near that level of lameness. I'm sorry the animatronics are amazing but they are being wasted in that spot! You sarcastically said in one post that they should have built and E ticket but in all honesty they should have. Please imagine how many cool animatronics if that level could be seen in a Beauty and the Beast darkride. Please imagine if WDW could have gotten it's first trackless ride with an amazing be our guess scene. But no we get a glorified meet in great that includes playing imagine with cardboard! I'm sorry but me, you and everyone else was screwed by having that attraction built. But I do give credit for the wasted animatronics and is better then some other "attractions" for example Narnia but that is not the bar they should try to surpass.

You are missing the point then. Disney knows that M&Gs are very popular and they approached the situation by saying "how can we add a M&G for Belle but make it top notch?" And that's exactly what they did -- they took a pedestrian concept of meeting Belle and having her tell a story but enhanced to make it far more impressive and engaging. They should be commended for that and there is a reason they won awards for the attraction.

You are complaining that it's not a ride, but it was never going to be a ride. I too am disappointed that the FLE didn't feature more/better rides, but that doesn't diminish what Disney accomplished in making a high quality M&G, something that they should be doing in addition to high quality rides. It's not an either/or.

In some other post, someone said that people complain when Disney doesn't do "little things" to enhance experience, but when they do do "little things", people complain that they aren't "big things" instead. That is exactly what this reminds me of.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

You gloss over the biggest reason people have a problem with stock based compensation... the stock valuation is about placating to short term metrics and interests... not necessarily long term business or product directions.

Yeah... that's not true at all. Stock valuation is based on discounted future cash flows in the form of dividends. Yes, a dollar today is worth a dollar a year from now, but a dollar today is worth nowhere near the sum total of all future dollars in all future years from now, even when adjusted for the time value of money. Every time this conversation comes up, it boils down to the people slamming incentive-based compensation not understanding incentive-based compensation.

The problem with all 'coin-operated' metrics and compensation is it drives the behavior to the metric instead of holistic behavior.

That metric is share price, and that share price is all the shareholders care about. Shareholders are the owners of the company, and Iger works for them.

The majority of employees don't have a problem finding motivation to do their job without the need to incentivitize them with sweetheart options.

The majority of employees will get canned if they suck at their job.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

You are part of the problem if you are paying 100 (and rising)dollars to play with cardboard cut outs of characters. I mean its been Fantasyland since the park opened and no attraction was anywhere near that level of lameness. I'm sorry the animatronics are amazing but they are being wasted in that spot! You sarcastically said in one post that they should have built and E ticket but in all honesty they should have. Please imagine how many cool animatronics if that level could be seen in a Beauty and the Beast darkride. Please imagine if WDW could have gotten it's first trackless ride with an amazing be our guess scene. But no we get a glorified meet in great that includes playing imagine with cardboard! I'm sorry but me, you and everyone else was screwed by having that attraction built. But I do give credit for the wasted animatronics and is better then some other "attractions" for example Narnia but that is not the bar they should try to surpass.

Not everything is going to be an E-ticket. In fact, most things are not going to be an E-ticket.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

So your basically saying that because it is a land of Fantasy, it is upon the guest to create said fantasy with their own imagination when there is a lack thereof in an attraction that the guest paid a premium price to experience? Next time I visit, I will remind Disney to "lighten up" and accept my make believe money as from of payment for park admission. That should work, right? How is it "knee-jerk" cynicism to recognize when the company took a cheap shortcut? If it walks like a duck.....

It's actually not a cheap shortcut. That attraction is much more expensive to operate than a dark ride would have been. It's very labor-intensive.

I'll ask you the same thing I asked someone else. Have you ever actually DONE the attraction? The cutout part that's irritating everyone is one small piece of the attraction.

 

[FigmentJedi]

You are missing the point then. Disney knows that M&Gs are very popular and they approached the situation by saying "how can we add a M&G for Belle but make it top notch?" And that's exactly what they did -- they took a pedestrian concept of meeting Belle and having her tell a story but enhanced to make it far more impressive and engaging. They should be commended for that and there is a reason they won awards for the attraction.

So merge the idea of a Belle super-meet and greet with Paris's unused "Beauty and the Beast Tiki Room" concept. That show was to include a live Belle as part of the climax, but one could easily spread her presence to the whole show instead.

 

[Andrew C]

It's actually not a cheap shortcut. That attraction is much more expensive to operate than a dark ride would have been. It's very labor-intensive.

I'll ask you the same thing I asked someone else. Have you ever actually DONE the attraction? The cutout part that's irritating everyone is one small piece of the attraction.

Let's be honest. It is not the cut-outs that are irritating some; that is just an excuse. It is that Disney did not give them exactly what they wanted, which was an e-ticket dark ride. Really, if people want to be mad about something in NFL, I would say the little mermaid attraction is a better option as they seem to have missed the mark on this one as far as dark rides go.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Let's be honest. It is not the cut-outs that are irritating some; that is just an excuse. It is that Disney did not give them exactly what they wanted, which was an e-ticket dark ride. Really, if people want to be mad about something in NFL, I would say the little mermaid attraction is a better option as they seem to have missed the mark on this one as far as dark rides go.

And I'd counter that argument and suggest that there's no such thing as an E-ticket dark ride. As a matter of fact, dark rides are just about as common and unoriginal as you can possibly get in a Disney park. Enchanted Tales is at least unique.

 

[Andrew C]

And I'd counter that argument and suggest that there's no such thing as an E-ticket dark ride. As a matter of fact, dark rides are just about as common and unoriginal as you can possibly get in a Disney park. Enchanted Tales is at least unique.

I wouldn't necessarily argue with that although there is definitely a lot of plussing that could have been done on the little mermaid attraction which they seemed to have passed on. Anyways, these are my two cents...don't really want to get into it anymore...haha