The Sorcerer's Apprentice, Season 7: Fantasmic Journeys [CONCLUDED!]

[AceAstro]

It’s quite crazy to dock two incredibly designed lands because 1 of the 5 rides did not have much explanation when it was bursting to the seams with detail ala Potter.

Respectfully, it wasn't just 1 of the 5 rides. Jokers E-ticket had more detail than all 5 of your rides combined. In the same time period.

Your project was amazing, don't get me wrong. Any of the 3 could have won in various ways. They were all great.

 

[Tegan pilots a chicken]

We did have rides. We had two E-tickets, a D-ticket, and 2 b-ticket flat rides.

In fact, we had two versions of the flume E-ticket, which clearly no one read the one from the link that I wasn’t able to add to the prompt.

It’s quite crazy to dock two incredibly designed lands because 1 of the 5 rides did not have much explanation when it was bursting to the seams with detail ala Potter.

If we had another week, we could for sure have gone crazy with the rides, but if all that we had to do were the rides to win, we should have been told.

We focused on the land in a prompt about lands, and were punished for it. Seems kinda cheap.

The prompt wasn’t specifically about “lands.” It was a sandbox with few restrictions. Your project was amazing, and I don’t think anybody could deny that. These are just things to keep in mind going forward.

At the end of the day this is supposed to be fun more than anything else.

 

[NigelChanning]

As someone who was also on Team Power, I just want to say that we all did great and I feel like the judges made a solid decision.

Obviously, we aren’t going to always agree but that’s the beauty of competition. We’re all here for the same reason, which is to be able to have a creative outlet for a shared passion. The purpose of the game isn’t built on labels of 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, it’s built on teamwork and sportsmanship! So let’s all move on and strive to be better!

 

[AceAstro]

Just because they have 1 ride that's great they win a prompt based on two-three lands where the other teams both killed the execution???

The concept art alone had no indication of scaling, pathing, sightlines, weenies, or placement.

This shouldn't be offensive--it's constructive criticism to make the competition better. Judges should have more clearly defined that they were after rides, which is fine if that's the route they wanted to take. We literally had 6 rides (since again. the ice flume had two variants).

This isn't an affront to anyone here.

It's not fair to the teams that had people pouring dozens of hours this past week. That's the real issue here.

You continuing on isn't fair to the team who put dozens of hours into the project for you to then call it "not good".

They had more than 1 great ride. That was just an example on detail. They also had a dance party, and lots of streetmosphere, and so on. If anything, this should be constructive criticism about more detail for future stanzas.

If you want to talk about it more, do it privately. I am not saying anything more about the decision publicly after your insults towards their project.

 

[Tegan pilots a chicken]

Speaking for Team Soul, everybody rocked that last Stanza.

I was personally amazed by how outside the box some of the IP selections were. To have 6 lands with zero repeats is mind blowing. Any of the teams easily could have won that challenge with a tweak here or there.

And it just shows that as this competition moves forward, we are all gonna have to continue pushing the envelope and growing our skills in order to be victorious.

I am incredibly grateful to be part of this competition and look forward to sharing Team Soul’s future creations as well as appreciating Team Mind and Team Power and their efforts as well. I know everybody is doing the best job they can.

And at the end of the day. It’s supposed to be fun.

 

[Tegan pilots a chicken]

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I just don't get how the two lands that are literally bursting to the seams with execution go behind the one that isn't lol.

Please stop using my work to attempt to disparage somebody else’s. That’s not what I hoped to accomplish when I made it.

 

[spacemt354]

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I just don't get how the two lands that are literally bursting to the seams with execution go behind the one that isn't lol.

You have like 9 posts on this forum and more than half of them are complaining about rankings. We get it - you don't agree with the decision, but the way you are going about this is immature and isn't going to fly anymore and if you continue on I will report your posts.

So you have 2 options; either help your team who is currently brainstorming, or leave the game.

 

[Outbound]

Just because they have 1 ride that's great they win a prompt based on two-three lands where the other teams both killed the execution???

The concept art alone had no indication of scaling, pathing, sightlines, weenies, or placement.

This shouldn't be offensive--it's constructive criticism to make the competition better. Judges should have more clearly defined that they were after rides, which is fine if that's the route they wanted to take. We literally had 6 rides (since again. the ice flume had two variants).

It's not fair to the teams that had people pouring dozens of hours this past week. That's the real issue here.

Mr. Duck, constructive criticism is fine, but I think if you read the paragraph above and the comment made earlier on the page, you'll see it comes across a lot harsher than you may have intended. Constructive criticism is ok (within reason, don't go beyond one post) but try to frame it nicer: "in my opinion.... I still respect your project and really like..." etc. You can give the advice to help other teams and make the competition better, but be very careful to make sure you're not being disrespectful in the process.

It's a fine line because we don't like to put other people down here, and although you've said it is constructive criticism it really doesn't come across that way.

You can also privately vent with some other players (within reason... like before don't go beyond one post) I've done the same in the past when I disagreed with a judging call, but I also respected the judges who came to that decision and the players who put in all the work into it. You can disagree without it becoming toxic. Team Mind put a lot of work into this round -- the same as Soul and Power did. To have that victory taken away by stuff like this isn't the best... I think they deserve an apology.

Stanza 2 has come and gone, and nothing is going to change that. But Stanza 3 is just now starting. It's a whole new opportunity. This round, try improving what you did last week (for example, perhaps now that you know moderator approvals are going to be a problem, prepare the project a day earlier just to make sure it gets there in time). See if that has any impact, it might be just enough to push your team to victory.

But no more being disrespectful or Space is gonna transform into his eldritch form and none of us want to see that

 

[Tegan pilots a chicken]

This is a criticism of the judging not their work. They did other things well

People have different levels of skill, knowledge of theme parks, time that can be put in, etc. That's totally okay.

However, the judging is supposed to add a fun element of competition. It's not fair to those that created a better pitch to then be relegated to last. It's the principle of it for me, personally.

“Better” is entirely subjective. Did I absolutely love Team Soul’s project?! Of course! Am I incredibly proud of the hard effort our team put into that project?! Absolutely! Do any of us feel cheated by finishing second? Not at all!

 

[NigelChanning]

“Better” is entirely subjective. Did I absolutely love Team Soul’s project?! Of course! Am I incredibly proud of the hard effort our team put into that project?! Absolutely! Do any of us feel cheated by finishing second? Not at all!

This.

Even though my team got last place, I’m proud of my work for the stanza! And no one on this forum says that I shouldn’t be proud! And that’s all that matters!

 

[Pi on my Cake]

This is a criticism of the judging not their work. They did other things well

People have different levels of skill, knowledge of theme parks, time that can be put in, etc. That's totally okay.

However, the judging is supposed to add a fun element of competition. It's not fair to those that created a better pitch to then be relegated to last. It's the principle of it for me, personally.

You had a good map. There is more to it than just a map.

There's always an element of opinions that go into judging and always will go into judging.

I may be biased since I was on Team Mind, but I think that both of our lands were the most creative themes and fit best into the Studios park. Our rides built into both the themes of the lands and the themes of the park while being original and unique. And while our maps might not have been as pretty they still laid out the layout of both lands well and were measured against satellite maps to ensure proper scaling.

Though all three teams did excellent and excelled in different ways.

You acting like your team's was objectively so much better than Mind's to the point of this kind of outrage is rude and offensive. Especially since it seems mostly just based around how pretty a map you had and a few stray details.

 

[spacemt354]

This.

Even though my team got last place, I’m proud of my work for the stanza! And no one on this forum says that I shouldn’t be proud! And that’s all that matters!

This is the multiverse season after all - so who's to say that all of these projects have created their own branched realities we can return to in a future season!

 

[Tegan pilots a chicken]

This is a criticism of the judging not their Mind's work. They did other things well

People have different levels of skill, knowledge of theme parks, time that can be put in, etc. That's totally okay.

However, the judging is supposed to add a fun element of competition. It's not fair to those that created a better pitch to then be relegated to last. It's the principle of it for me, personally. I don't mean to come off as harsh, and apologize if it seems that way, but I don't know, I just can't wrap my mind around this one.

I understand that you feel frustrated. As cliche as it may be, try and take a few deep breaths and relax a little bit. I’m sure you have a lot of creative energy that could be very useful to this game, but you can’t be as hostile and combative as you have been on this thread. We all try and cultivate an atmosphere of positivity here. And after all, we’re Disney Park nerds essentially role playing as Imagineers. There’s no need for anger in that equation.

 

[Mickeynerd17]

This is a criticism of the judging not their Mind's work. They did other things well

People have different levels of skill, knowledge of theme parks, time that can be put in, etc. That's totally okay.

However, the judging is supposed to add a fun element of competition. It's not fair to those that created a better pitch to then be relegated to last. It's the principle of it for me, personally. I don't mean to come off as harsh, and apologize if it seems that way, but I don't know, I just can't wrap my mind around this one.

I understand you're upset about the judging, and believe me I was in your shoes quite a bit in 1986 when things didn't seem "fair", but all it gave me was drama and trouble.

One important thing about life in general is that things aren't always fair, and I know it sucks, but even if you feel that you we're screwed over, its more important to be respectful of the judges decisions and move forward. Trying to disrespect someone else's work will only cause unnecessary trouble and drama and make you look bad.

Remember, we're all human beings, we all make mistakes, and I'm not saying any one party was in the wrong, I'm just saying that's how life goes and that its best to move on and try again. You'll have a TON of failures before success shows up. Heck, even Walt Disney had his share of screw-ups in his time. You've got to just move on and keep going and you will have success!

For now, lets just focus on doing a great job on the next stanza!

 

[Pi on my Cake]

It's not just the map. The entire land is fleshed out with detail from the shops to the restaurants in a cohesive manner. We didn't just write things up and place them. There was thought to everything. How you enter the land, what you see from there to draw you in, placement of restrooms, restaurants, crowd-flow, and especially the transitions between lands.

The map just represented that. My point isn't about the map. It doesn't matter if it looks professional or not, but the intention behind it does: The scaling matters and the design matters. Soul also did this very, very well. I'm not trying to dig Mind, but it is what it is, and as a cohesive themed expansion, it doesn't flow very well, nor is it realistic. Just because it has more obscure IP's doesn't make it more creative. It's how you execute it, and it was sort of haphazard with some bright spots.

That being your opinion does not make it objective fact.
Team Mind worked hard on all those same aspects and executed it well in my opinion and clearly in the opinion of the judges.
It's time to move on, man.

 

[spacemt354]

It's a subjective opinion based on plenty objective info. Path widths are objective for how large you will need it to hold guests. Weenies and sightlines are objective data. Counting the times you read wit in the shop descriptions is objectively measurable. Placement of restrooms can be inferred based on capacity needs. Land transitions are also logical; Star Wars Land does not transition well into Toy Story Land... with Narnia and Nightmare, you have snow and Christmas to transition them. Also, using other parks as a baseline, you can figure out realism if you base it off that logically with rough measurements, etc.

The end result is subjective, but it's not just all 'opinions'. If the judges are going after what they prefer, yes you are 100% right, but if an experienced judge is critiquing a singer's voice, it's not an exact since, but using logic they can get a selection that is far better than just a random person singing...

This is your last warning - you've said your piece, now please drop it and move on.

 

[NigelChanning]

It's a subjective opinion based on plenty objective info. Path widths are objective for how large you will need it to hold guests. Weenies and sightlines are objective data. Counting the times you read wit in the shop descriptions is objectively measurable. Placement of restrooms can be inferred based on capacity needs. Land transitions are also logical; Star Wars Land does not transition well into Toy Story Land... with Narnia and Nightmare, you have snow and Christmas to transition them. Also, using other parks as a baseline, you can figure out realism if you base it off that logically with rough measurements, etc.

The end result is subjective, but it's not just all 'opinions'. If the judges are going after what they prefer, yes you are 100% right, but if an experienced judge is critiquing a singer's voice, it's not an exact since, but using logic they can get a selection that is far better than just a random person singing...

Creativity can also be objective too. Has anyone done the same execution as that for Narnia before?

Judges are supposed to be more impartial, not subjecting themselves to emotions.

You cannot objectively state an order of which one is the best, but anyone logical, that bases their consensous on knowledge of themed design would very likely come to a different result

 

[Pi on my Cake]

It's a subjective opinion based on plenty objective info. Path widths are objective for how large you will need it to hold guests. Weenies and sightlines are objective data. Counting the times you read wit in the shop descriptions is objectively measurable. Placement of restrooms can be inferred based on capacity needs. Land transitions are also logical; Star Wars Land does not transition well into Toy Story Land... with Narnia and Nightmare, you have snow and Christmas to transition them. Also, using other parks as a baseline, you can figure out realism if you base it off that logically with rough measurements, etc.

The end result is subjective, but it's not just all 'opinions'. If the judges are going after what they prefer, yes you are 100% right, but if an experienced judge is critiquing a singer's voice, it's not an exact since, but using logic they can get a selection that is far better than just a random person singing...

Creativity can also be objective too. Has anyone done the same execution as that for Narnia before?

Judges are supposed to be more impartial, not subjecting themselves to emotions.

You cannot objectively state an order of which one is the best, but anyone logical, that bases their consensous on knowledge of themed design would very likely come to a different result

Again, Team Mind considered all those same things and included them in the project.

Move on.

 

[Disney Dad 3000]

Me right about now....

 

[Tegan pilots a chicken]

Me right about now....

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