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[mahnamahna101]

Ripsaw falls could be so much more, the track layout is great but out of all the universal rides it seems to be the least taken care of and there are large parts of the the track that are unthemed.... a lot of potential, better than almost any other flume ride I have been on, but not on Splash's level at all. I would not say "six flags level" though, it is much better than that.

Honestly, if they retheme Toon Lagoon, I hope they bulldoze Dudley and put an immersive E-ticket on par with the Disney mountains in terms of theming. Mount Doom or the Lonely Mountain...

 

[JWG]

Umm Popeye does have a story lol... Bluto kidnaps Olive Oyl and Popeye has to save her. It's basic and a very loose narrative, but as far as rapids rides go, it's the closest you'll get to actual storytelling. GRR and Kali don't really have an actual story in the ride - as far as I could tell. Kali might be about rainforest conservation, but it's loosely told.

Splash Mountain is the pinnacle of water rides though - tells a story while incorporating thrills, too... similar to how ToT is the pinnacle of drop towers. Neither will ever be topped IMO. But Popeye's pretty well-done (maybe an B+/A- to Splash's A++++) - I'd take it over GRR (without any AAs or show scenes) or Kali (budget cuts made it a lot shorter than intended)

Kali's story was much more fluid and detailed back in it's original glory. As they've stopped maintaining certain effects and such a bit of it is lost. Frankly, some rides have lost some of the story simply by bypassing the Queue (i.e. Everest). But, point stands, different rides have different level of theme and are still good.

 

[BrerJon]

RSR doesn't work in the FL climate as is, at least not during peak summer travel season. Rain will shut it down every day. Yes, maybe only for 20 minutes at a time, but it still messes with FPs, stand by line, etc.

But there are plenty of outdoor rides that close now and again - Splash, Thunder, Test Track... Florida survives, so there's no reason why RSR would be any different. I keep hearing people saying it could never work in the Florida climate, but I'm yet to hear a decent reason why it wouldn't.

 

[JWG]

But there are plenty of outdoor rides that close now and again - Splash, Thunder, Test Track... Florida survives, so there's no reason why RSR would be any different. I keep hearing people saying it could never work in the Florida climate, but I'm yet to hear a decent reason why it wouldn't.

They can do it, for sure. It just will have frequent periods of shut down if the ride system is identical to test track as it will have to stop for rain. Given the complete guest meltdown I witnessed at SDMT when they had to shut that ride down AND handed out FastPass cards good for any ride at any time in the MK through 10/31 - it just seems short-sighted to build a ride you know you'll be shutting down for various periods of time and most frequently during peak summer tourism. Personal opinion.

 

[WeLComeHomE OKW]

Sorry. Your explanation is wrong. It is in no way a neuteral word. That's laughable. It's indicating I have some kind of an agenda.

bi·as
ˈbīəs/
noun

1. 1.
   prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.
   "there was evidence of bias against foreign applicants"
   synonyms: prejudice, partiality, partisanship, favoritism, unfairness, one-sidedness; More
   verb

1. 1.
   cause to feel or show inclination or prejudice for or against someone or something.
   "readers said the paper was biased toward the conservatives"
   synonyms: prejudice, influence, color, sway, weight, predispose; More

Recent history is going by fact, not predjudice. As I said, I prefer WDW to UNI. You just seem to be ultra sensitive about this subject and WDW. Like I said, relax. I didn't say UNI's would be better, and I love to see where I said that it would definintely be better (what was supposed to be better anyway?). I don't remember saying it. I expect more from UNI going by DA... I know you kept trying to put words in my mouth. I was actually expecting something fantastic from the Pixar expansion, just not the SWL expansion, or more to the point, that it wasn't going to be as big as people think. I don't remember comparing any future expansions between the parks. It's not bias, it's tempered expectations.

You don't have to be nice, subtly, or in context or subtext, but please try to be a bit more level headed and aware of definitions before accusing people of things to try invalidate their opinion.

"cause to show inclination for something" does not suggest an agenda. Notice the way the definition is worded. You assumed 1. I meant the 2nd (inclination OR prejudice) It's not laughable, it's just english.

Bias is one hundred percent neutral, or you would not be able to have a positive bias and a negative one. The word does not measure intent, nor agenda, just the result: your inclination to choose a over b.

"Bias can also referred to as a natural inclination to an opinion or thought that someone holds about something. Most of the time, bias is a term used when choice can be made between two things and the person selects the thing which he/she himself/herself likes.

What is the difference between Prejudice and Bias?

Bias and prejudice are two factors in the society which prove to be disastrous in promoting air of peace and harmony between human beings. Bias refers to a thought of an individual or a group which is leaning towards an area of life such as politics, society, religion or economics. Prejudice is the process of making decision or judging something with a premature mind and making your own facts instead of knowing the real truth about a person or a thing. Bias can be referred to as a process where you prefer one thing over another thing. Prejudice is the word used to refer to something that you hate completely."

 

[misterID]

"cause to show inclination for something" does not suggest an agenda. Notice the way the definition is worded. You assumed 1. I meant the 2nd (inclination OR prejudice) It's not laughable, it's just english.

"Bias can also referred to as a natural inclination to an opinion or thought that someone holds about something. Most of the time, bias is a term used when choice can be made between two things and the person selects the thing which he/she himself/herself likes.

What is the difference between Prejudice and Bias?

Bias and prejudice are two factors in the society which prove to be disastrous in promoting air of peace and harmony between human beings. Bias refers to a thought of an individual or a group which is leaning towards an area of life such as politics, society, religion or economics. Prejudice is the process of making decision or judging something with a premature mind and making your own facts instead of knowing the real truth about a person or a thing. Bias can be referred to as a process where you prefer one thing over another thing. Prejudice is the word used to refer to something that you hate completely."

Knock yourself out with the slippery spin. You're still wrong. This is stupid. Moving on...

 

[WeLComeHomE OKW]

Knock yourself out with the slippery spin. You're still wrong. This is stupid. Moving on...

lol k. glad you really proved I'm wrong there. yeah, that 100% logical explanation must have made it tough. sorry, I forget reason isn't really valued in these types of debates, or it would have ended a long time ago.

You have assumed negative intent on my end this whole time. And, I was just pointing something out. Continuing to use language like "laughable" in an attempt to put me down is getting you no where. I just want to show you that I used the word correctly, which I have clearly done.

 

[Bairstow]

Counting Dr. Doom as a D/E is really pushing it. Worst drop tower i've ever been on. It's pointless to even go on. The whole point of a drop tower is for the thrill. There is very little thrill on that ride. Falcon's Fury on the other hand (or even one at Six Flags New England I went on was pretty good).

But Doom's not a drop tower; it's a space shot.

 

[SJN1279]

Popeye is the best Rapids ride on the planet, and Splash is the best log flume on the planet. The rumors of IOA getting rid of Popeye really upset me, since he was one of my favorites as a kid. I really miss the walk around Popeye, Bluto, and Olive characters that used to populate Toon Lagoon as well.

 

[misterID]

They can do it, for sure. It just will have frequent periods of shut down if the ride system is identical to test track as it will have to stop for rain. Given the complete guest meltdown I witnessed at SDMT when they had to shut that ride down AND handed out FastPass cards good for any ride at any time in the MK through 10/31 - it just seems short-sighted to build a ride you know you'll be shutting down for various periods of time and most frequently during peak summer tourism. Personal opinion.

Most rides will be built outdoors. It's cheaper and TT doesn't cause any big problems outside some crazy guest meltdowns that you get for whatever ride... I saw the biggest meltdown when a lady had to stand in line to get on the handicapped elevator at the Land, who just happened to be perfectly healthy, while it took time to load two real disabled persons on board... She showed everyone by getting so upset she actually used the stairs.

And most times in regards to rain, they just have guests wait in TT to let it pass. Rarely do they shut the thing completely down. And RSR doesn't have the interactive queue that will cause any massive pile ups, either. It's not that big of a deal. You could compare EE to this also. People would just have to wait.

 

[misterID]

lol k. glad you really proved I'm wrong there. yeah, that 100% logical explanation must have made it tough. sorry, I forget reason isn't really valued in these types of debates, or it would have ended a long time ago.

You have assumed negative intent on my end this whole time. And, I was just pointing something out. Continuing to use language like "laughable" in an attempt to put me down is getting you no where. I just want to show you that I used the word correctly, which I have clearly done.

Yes, you proved yourself to be wrong. Repeatedly. I haven't assumed anything about you, other than asking if you were a kid because of the immature nature of this debate. Friendly advice: Stop trying to judge others motives because they don't fly with your own. I don't prefer UNI to WDW, as I've stated from the start. Sorry.

 

[WeLComeHomE OKW]

Yes, you proved yourself to be wrong. Repeatedly. I haven't assumed anything about you, other than asking if you were a kid because of the immature nature of this debate. Friendly advice: Stop trying to judge others motives because they don't fly with your own. I don't prefer UNI to WDW, as I've stated from the start. Sorry.

I was going to do a long post, where I quoted all the things you said. Then, looking back, that while I maintain your view is biased based on your assumptions (universal has big cool things coming, disney will probably do something lame with star wars land...this is literally all i was pointing out) and I don't think I ever proved myself wrong (since an argument on semantics...well...will be an argument about semantics), your reasoning is on par with what I think too. I've made similar arguments on these very boards.

Disney has a lot of work to do. Universal is doing great work, but, has far too many rides recycling the same storytelling and technology. Disney still has a lot to prove on the east coast and I think the next 4 years will have a lot to say about that.

Sorry I made such a huge deal out of it, I just didn't appreciate the direction this was taking, and I see that I was a big part of that. There's two sides to everything, and I want to apologize for starting to get flustered at the end there.

 

[misterID]

I was going to do a long post, where I quoted all the things you said. Then, looking back, that while I maintain your view is biased based on your assumptions (universal has big cool things coming, disney will probably do something lame with star wars land...this is literally all i was pointing out) and I don't think I ever proved myself wrong (since an argument on semantics...well...will be an argument about semantics), your reasoning is on par with what I think too. I've made similar arguments on these very boards.

Disney has a lot of work to do. Universal is doing great work, but, has far too many rides recycling the same storytelling and technology. Disney still has a lot to prove on the east coast and I think the next 4 years will have a lot to say about that.

Sorry I made such a huge deal out of it, I just didn't appreciate the direction this was taking, and I see that I was a big part of that. There's two sides to everything, and I want to apologize for starting to get flustered at the end there.

It takes two to tango. I probably could have done a better job explaining myself. No hard feelings.

 

[pumpkin7]

What an absolutely brilliant idea.. so obvious yet this is the first time someone was smart and aware enough to suggest it!

Many people have suggested this in this thread. There was even a debate about whether it could fit because of the sight lines between Morocco and ToT.
If you were being sarcastic, then I'm sorry, it doesn't come across very well on a forum!

In other news, there's a dude on Twitter trying to rally signatures to #SavetheSorcerersHat. He is so far immensely proud to have gained 78 'signatures'.
I would also like to point out this is a guy who thinks that Walt Disney himself designed the original concept art of the hat (the one with the ferris wheels as ears) in September 1966 and his basis for this is that there is wording on it 'written in Walt's handwriting'. Erm....

 

[JWG]

In other news, there's a dude on Twitter trying to rally signatures to #SavetheSorcerersHat. He is so far immensely proud to have gained 78 'signatures'.
I would also like to point out this is a guy who thinks that Walt Disney himself designed the original concept art of the hat (the one with the ferris wheels as ears) in September 1966 and his basis for this is that there is wording on it 'written in Walt's handwriting'. Erm....

Walt has been imagineering from the grave for years. Somehow, in some way, every theme park attraction is tied to him (or so I've read, if it's on the internet it has to be true). I'm pretty sure he acquired the land that Aulani now sits on in a special deal back in 1958 shortly before starting the Florida project. It just wasn't a priority to develop until air travel became more of a commodity after deregulation and consolidation in the past 25 years.

 

[pumpkin7]

Walt has been imagineering from the grave for years. Somehow, in some way, every theme park attraction is tied to him (or so I've read, if it's on the internet it has to be true). I'm pretty sure he acquired the land that Aulani now sits on in a special deal back in 1958 shortly before starting the Florida project. It just wasn't a priority to develop until air travel became more of a commodity after deregulation and consolidation in the past 25 years.

Oh ok, cool. So Walt could also predict the future! I should totally go and tell this to my new friend! He'll be so excited.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Umm Popeye does have a story lol... Bluto kidnaps Olive Oyl and Popeye has to save her. It's basic and a very loose narrative, but as far as rapids rides go, it's the closest you'll get to actual storytelling. GRR and Kali don't really have an actual story in the ride - as far as I could tell. Kali might be about rainforest conservation, but it's loosely told.

Splash Mountain is the pinnacle of water rides though - tells a story while incorporating thrills, too... similar to how ToT is the pinnacle of drop towers. Neither will ever be topped IMO. But Popeye's pretty well-done (maybe an B+/A- to Splash's A++++) - I'd take it over GRR (without any AAs or show scenes) or Kali (budget cuts made it a lot shorter than intended)

Well it hard to follow a story when you're constantly getting drenched and everyone in the boat is screaming the entire time.

 

[AMartin767]

Many people have suggested this in this thread. There was even a debate about whether it could fit because of the sight lines between Morocco and ToT.
If you were being sarcastic, then I'm sorry, it doesn't come across very well on a forum!

In other news, there's a dude on Twitter trying to rally signatures to #SavetheSorcerersHat. He is so far immensely proud to have gained 78 'signatures'.
I would also like to point out this is a guy who thinks that Walt Disney himself designed the original concept art of the hat (the one with the ferris wheels as ears) in September 1966 and his basis for this is that there is wording on it 'written in Walt's handwriting'. Erm....

My bad. Sorry, I just jumped at what a great idea it was. I was sincere (no sarcasm intended at all) but not aware it had already come up as an idea. Kudos to all who have suggested it. It seems like the perfect solution to me!

 

[azox]

Popeye is the best Rapids ride on the planet, and Splash is the best log flume on the planet. The rumors of IOA getting rid of Popeye really upset me, since he was one of my favorites as a kid. I really miss the walk around Popeye, Bluto, and Olive characters that used to populate Toon Lagoon as well.

I very much agree. Popeye is the best Rapids ride I have ridden ever. It's so long and when you think it' s over it keeps on going. Great ride great show and just lots of fun. I hope it stays.

 

[Andy Whitfield]

I very much agree. Popeye is the best Rapids ride I have ridden ever. It's so long and when you think it' s over it keeps on going. Great ride great show and just lots of fun. I hope it stays.

On our recent trip in September this was my whole groups favourite attraction as it was so much fun and we all laughed so much. You can't get rapid's like that in the UK