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wannab@dis
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I hate that you had to cancel your trip, but I understand the worry.Menjiness said:
If you can wait a little longer, the first two weeks of Dec are wonderful times to visit. The crowds are fairly light and the Christmas decor and events are in full swing. We've been the last two years and it was great!
Good luck!
wannab@dis
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I would say "nice picture", but it's not really...speck76 said:
man, that thing was big.
TheDisneyGirl02
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speck76 said:
That could be a new postcard sold at WDW! Just through Mickey in the middle of it and Eisner could make money on it!
TheDisneyGirl02
Tim G
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Hurricane Ivan Important Update
Fla. Keys Told To Evacuate Ahead Of Deadly Hurricane Ivan
UPDATED: 3:45 pm EDT September 9, 2004
KEY LARGO, Fla. -- Hotels up and down the Florida Keys sent their guests packing Thursday as emergency officials launched a total evacuation of the 120-mile island chain with the powerful Hurricane Ivan forecast to hit somewhere in Florida as early as Sunday.
In a state still recovering from Hurricanes Frances and Charley, Gov. Jeb Bush said he was not working with a "doomsday scenario" for the logistical nightmare even though forecast options touched all of Florida. Most people who put up shutters for Frances left them in place even with Ivan in the remote Caribbean.
"The first one was wide left, the second one was wide right, and this one looks like it's coming straight up the middle," said Buzz Wagner, controller at the Crane Point Nature Center in Marathon, which bills itself as the heart of the Keys. "I'm kind of perversely looking forward to it."
At 2 p.m. EDT, Ivan's eye was about 360 southeast of Jamaica and about 900 miles southeast of Marathon with steady winds of 160 mph.
In the exposed Keys, all tourists and people in recreational vehicles and mobile homes were ordered Thursday to clear out for the third time in less than a month. Monroe County's 79,000 residents were urged to prepare to leave Friday on U.S. 1, a mostly two-lane road and bridge system linking the Miami area to Key West, the southernmost city in the continental United States.
Hurricane forecasters predicted the Category 5 storm could weaken to a Category 4 over Cuba and hit the Keys. Conflicting forecast models fan out like a fishtail after Cuba, sending the storm to the Panhandle, up the Gulf Coast or up the East Coast by Tuesday.
"People are at wit's end that have been impacted by this, and the people we're asking to respond have some challenges of their own," said Bush. "Maybe someone creative in Hollywood could come up with something like this, but this is past my imagination."
Dave and Phyllis Wadsworth made reservations to flee Punta Gorda for Biloxi, Miss. After Charley left most of their neighborhood in need of new roofs, they're not interested in riding out another storm.
"Everybody I know is panicking," Phyllis Wadsworth, 39, said as her husband boarded up a broken window. "Everybody I know is making plans to evacuate, so they have hotel rooms booked and flights booked."
In Palm Beach County, the largest county with significant damage from Frances, emergency operations spokesman Mark Esterly said, "We are in unprecedented, uncharted water where we are attempting to stage a recovery and prepare at the same time."
The last time the Keys were totally evacuated was in 2001 for Hurricane Michelle, a Category 4 storm with sustained winds of 135 mph that missed a direct hit. Officials estimated that only 15 percent of Keys residents left in a region notorious for people opting to ride out storms at home.
"We're going through this as if it's a true, real, honest-to-God hurricane," Wagner said.
Given the damage elsewhere from Charley and Frances, "I don't think that people will think twice (about evacuating) when we tell them it's a Four heading right at us. I think they will be pretty responsive," said Monroe County emergency manager Irene Toner, who supervises the Florida Keys.
Some businesses have seen a steep drop in the number of tourists since Charley and Frances. Hog's Breath Saloon in downtown Key West has had its worst six weeks since 1988. General manager Charlie Bauer called the last month "a financial disaster."
"It's just something about that name Ivan that really gets me," said Scott Simmons, owner of the biggest resort in the upper Keys. "It doesn't sound as if we have any good news."
Guests at his 178-room Holiday Isle were leaving the Islamorada party place with little encouragement. Simmons had his 300 employees watch television coverage of Ivan in the Caribbean, where homes have been leveled, and pushed them to leave.
"Where do we send people is actually a question," he said. "They don't know where to go: the east coast, the west coast or to Canada."
Isaac James moved to the Keys a month ago because he was tired of his job as a service manager for a Fortune 500 company in Kansas City, Mo. The freshly trained dockmaster at Whale Harbor Marina in Islamorada was in charge of getting a dozen small boats out of the water Thursday.
His mother, a Texas native, was anxious about the forecast, but the family had not decided what to do before the evacuation advisory for residents came out.
"When the wind blows a little hard, she gets a little nervous. I love her for it but she definitely wants to fly out of here and get back to Texas now," he said. "We cross our fingers and hope for the best."
Fla. Keys Told To Evacuate Ahead Of Deadly Hurricane Ivan
UPDATED: 3:45 pm EDT September 9, 2004
KEY LARGO, Fla. -- Hotels up and down the Florida Keys sent their guests packing Thursday as emergency officials launched a total evacuation of the 120-mile island chain with the powerful Hurricane Ivan forecast to hit somewhere in Florida as early as Sunday.
In a state still recovering from Hurricanes Frances and Charley, Gov. Jeb Bush said he was not working with a "doomsday scenario" for the logistical nightmare even though forecast options touched all of Florida. Most people who put up shutters for Frances left them in place even with Ivan in the remote Caribbean.
"The first one was wide left, the second one was wide right, and this one looks like it's coming straight up the middle," said Buzz Wagner, controller at the Crane Point Nature Center in Marathon, which bills itself as the heart of the Keys. "I'm kind of perversely looking forward to it."
At 2 p.m. EDT, Ivan's eye was about 360 southeast of Jamaica and about 900 miles southeast of Marathon with steady winds of 160 mph.
In the exposed Keys, all tourists and people in recreational vehicles and mobile homes were ordered Thursday to clear out for the third time in less than a month. Monroe County's 79,000 residents were urged to prepare to leave Friday on U.S. 1, a mostly two-lane road and bridge system linking the Miami area to Key West, the southernmost city in the continental United States.
Hurricane forecasters predicted the Category 5 storm could weaken to a Category 4 over Cuba and hit the Keys. Conflicting forecast models fan out like a fishtail after Cuba, sending the storm to the Panhandle, up the Gulf Coast or up the East Coast by Tuesday.
"People are at wit's end that have been impacted by this, and the people we're asking to respond have some challenges of their own," said Bush. "Maybe someone creative in Hollywood could come up with something like this, but this is past my imagination."
Dave and Phyllis Wadsworth made reservations to flee Punta Gorda for Biloxi, Miss. After Charley left most of their neighborhood in need of new roofs, they're not interested in riding out another storm.
"Everybody I know is panicking," Phyllis Wadsworth, 39, said as her husband boarded up a broken window. "Everybody I know is making plans to evacuate, so they have hotel rooms booked and flights booked."
In Palm Beach County, the largest county with significant damage from Frances, emergency operations spokesman Mark Esterly said, "We are in unprecedented, uncharted water where we are attempting to stage a recovery and prepare at the same time."
The last time the Keys were totally evacuated was in 2001 for Hurricane Michelle, a Category 4 storm with sustained winds of 135 mph that missed a direct hit. Officials estimated that only 15 percent of Keys residents left in a region notorious for people opting to ride out storms at home.
"We're going through this as if it's a true, real, honest-to-God hurricane," Wagner said.
Given the damage elsewhere from Charley and Frances, "I don't think that people will think twice (about evacuating) when we tell them it's a Four heading right at us. I think they will be pretty responsive," said Monroe County emergency manager Irene Toner, who supervises the Florida Keys.
Some businesses have seen a steep drop in the number of tourists since Charley and Frances. Hog's Breath Saloon in downtown Key West has had its worst six weeks since 1988. General manager Charlie Bauer called the last month "a financial disaster."
"It's just something about that name Ivan that really gets me," said Scott Simmons, owner of the biggest resort in the upper Keys. "It doesn't sound as if we have any good news."
Guests at his 178-room Holiday Isle were leaving the Islamorada party place with little encouragement. Simmons had his 300 employees watch television coverage of Ivan in the Caribbean, where homes have been leveled, and pushed them to leave.
"Where do we send people is actually a question," he said. "They don't know where to go: the east coast, the west coast or to Canada."
Isaac James moved to the Keys a month ago because he was tired of his job as a service manager for a Fortune 500 company in Kansas City, Mo. The freshly trained dockmaster at Whale Harbor Marina in Islamorada was in charge of getting a dozen small boats out of the water Thursday.
His mother, a Texas native, was anxious about the forecast, but the family had not decided what to do before the evacuation advisory for residents came out.
"When the wind blows a little hard, she gets a little nervous. I love her for it but she definitely wants to fly out of here and get back to Texas now," he said. "We cross our fingers and hope for the best."
Tim G
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Hurricane Ivan Intermediate Advisory Number 29a
Issued at: 1:41 PM AST 9/9/04
Noaa hurricane reconnaissance plane shows that ivan continues to be extremely dangerous, heading for western caribbean sea,
A hurricane warning is in effect for jamaica.
A hurricane watch and a tropical storm warning remain in effect for the entire southwest peninsula of haiti from the border of the dominican republic westward, including port au prince.
A hurricane watch remains in effect the cayman islands. A hurricane warning will likely be required for the cayman islands later today.
A hurricane watch and a tropical storm warning remains in effect for the dominican republic from barahona to perdenales and a tropical storm watch from palenque westward to barahona.
A hurricane watch is in effect for central and eastern cuba from the province of matanzas eastward.
Interests in central and western caribbean sea should closely monitor the progress of dangerous hurricane ivan.
At 2 pm ast, 1800z, the eye of hurricane ivan was located by a noaa reconnaissance plane near latitude 14.8 north, longitude 72.0 west or about 360 miles, 580 km, southeast of kingston jamaica.
Ivan is moving toward the west-northwest near 15 mph, 24 km/hr, and this motion is expected to continue for the next 24 hours. On this track the hurricane will be nearing jamaica on friday.
Ivan is a extremely dangerous category five hurricane on the saffir-simpson hurricane scale with maximum sustained winds near 160 mph, 260 km/hr, with higher gusts. Some fluctuations in intensity are expected during the next 24 hours.
Hurricane force winds extend outward up to 60 miles, 95 km, from the center, and tropical storm force winds extend outward up to 160 miles, 260 km.
Latest minimum central pressure recently reported by a noaa reconnaissance aircraft was 923 mb, 27.26 inches.
Storm surge flooding of 3 to 5 feet above normal tide levels, along with large and dangerous battering waves, can be expected near the center of ivan in the hurricane warning area.
Rainfall amounts of 5 to 7 inches, possibly causing life- threatening flash floods and mud slides, can be expected along the path of ivan.
Repeating the 2 pm ast position, 14.8 n, 72.0 w. Movement toward, west-northwest near 15 mph. Maximum sustained winds, 160 mph. Minimum central pressure, 923 mb.
For storm information specific to your area, please monitor products issued by your local weather office.
The next advisory will be issued by the national hurricane center at 5 pm ast.
Issued at: 1:41 PM AST 9/9/04
Noaa hurricane reconnaissance plane shows that ivan continues to be extremely dangerous, heading for western caribbean sea,
A hurricane warning is in effect for jamaica.
A hurricane watch and a tropical storm warning remain in effect for the entire southwest peninsula of haiti from the border of the dominican republic westward, including port au prince.
A hurricane watch remains in effect the cayman islands. A hurricane warning will likely be required for the cayman islands later today.
A hurricane watch and a tropical storm warning remains in effect for the dominican republic from barahona to perdenales and a tropical storm watch from palenque westward to barahona.
A hurricane watch is in effect for central and eastern cuba from the province of matanzas eastward.
Interests in central and western caribbean sea should closely monitor the progress of dangerous hurricane ivan.
At 2 pm ast, 1800z, the eye of hurricane ivan was located by a noaa reconnaissance plane near latitude 14.8 north, longitude 72.0 west or about 360 miles, 580 km, southeast of kingston jamaica.
Ivan is moving toward the west-northwest near 15 mph, 24 km/hr, and this motion is expected to continue for the next 24 hours. On this track the hurricane will be nearing jamaica on friday.
Ivan is a extremely dangerous category five hurricane on the saffir-simpson hurricane scale with maximum sustained winds near 160 mph, 260 km/hr, with higher gusts. Some fluctuations in intensity are expected during the next 24 hours.
Hurricane force winds extend outward up to 60 miles, 95 km, from the center, and tropical storm force winds extend outward up to 160 miles, 260 km.
Latest minimum central pressure recently reported by a noaa reconnaissance aircraft was 923 mb, 27.26 inches.
Storm surge flooding of 3 to 5 feet above normal tide levels, along with large and dangerous battering waves, can be expected near the center of ivan in the hurricane warning area.
Rainfall amounts of 5 to 7 inches, possibly causing life- threatening flash floods and mud slides, can be expected along the path of ivan.
Repeating the 2 pm ast position, 14.8 n, 72.0 w. Movement toward, west-northwest near 15 mph. Maximum sustained winds, 160 mph. Minimum central pressure, 923 mb.
For storm information specific to your area, please monitor products issued by your local weather office.
The next advisory will be issued by the national hurricane center at 5 pm ast.
Tim G
Well-Known Member
Hurricane Ivan Devastates Grenada, Kills At Least 20
UPDATED: 3:48 pm EDT September 9, 2004
ST. GEORGE'S, Grenada -- Hurricane Ivan intensified Thursday, heading straight for Jamaica and possibly Florida with 160 mph winds after it killed at least 20 people while pummeling Grenada, Barbados and other islands. Foreigners began fleeing Jamaica, and U.S. officials ordered people to evacuate the Florida Keys.
Widespread looting erupted in St. George's, Grenada's capital, and dazed survivors picked through debris and tried to salvage remnants left by the storm. An Associated Press reporter watched people taking televisions and shopping carts of food from warehouses.
Troops from other Caribbean nations were on the way to help restore order in Grenada, where the country's police commissioner said every police station was damaged.
The most powerful hurricane to hit the Caribbean in 10 years damaged 90 percent of the homes in Grenada, killing 13 people there, and destroyed a 17th century stone prison that left criminals on the loose, officials said.
Ivan was expected to reach Jamaica by Friday and Cuba by the weekend, the U.S. National Hurricane Center in Miami said.
Tourists and residents also were told to evacuate the Florida Keys because Ivan could hit the island chain by Sunday. It was the third evacuation ordered there in a month, following Hurricane Charley and hard on the heels of Hurricane Frances.
Hurricane Ivan strengthened early Thursday to become a Category 5 on a scale of 5. It packed sustained winds of 160 mph with higher gusts as it passed north of the Dutch Caribbean islands of Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao.
Four children also drowned after they were swept into the sea from a beach in Santo Domingo, capital of the Dominican Republic, nearly
"The children were in front of the sea when it seems a gigantic wave dragged them into the Caribbean Sea," said Jose Luis German, a spokesman for the National Emergency Commission. Authorities there closed part of the seaside Malecon drive, where massive waves washed over the road.
Jamaican leader P.J. Patterson urged his people to pray.
"We have to prepare for the worst case scenario. Let us pray for God's care," Patterson said Wednesday night. "This is a time that we must demonstrate that we are indeed our brothers' and sisters' keeper."
Amy White, a 29-year-old American living in Jamaica, was planning to fly out of the island Thursday morning for her parents' house in Monroe, N.J.
"They got worried so they said they wanted me to come home," said White, a marketing manager for a clothing apparel company in Kingston, the Jamaican capital. "I've never been in a hurricane like this before. I feel like it's fate so I'm gonna go."
At Kingston's international airport, dozens of foreigners lined up to get off the island.
"We were going to stick it out but the company I work for told everybody to evacuate," said Dennis Hennessey, 39, a building contractor from Essex Junction, Vt., who was helping build the new U.S. Embassy in Kingston.
"They say Jamaica is a blessed place, and I hope it is," he said.
On Tuesday, Ivan pummeled Grenada, Barbados and other southern islands and killed three people in Barbados, Tobago and Venezuela.
Details on the extent of the death and destruction in Grenada did not emerge until Wednesday because the storm cut all communications with the country of 100,000 people, and halted radio transmissions on the island.
"We are terribly devastated ... It's beyond imagination," Grenada's Prime Minister Keith Mitchell told his people and the world on Wednesday -- from aboard a British Royal Navy vessel that rushed to the rescue.
The United States declared Grenada a disaster area, allowing the immediate release of $50,000 for emergency relief.
"This is just a jump start," said spokesman Jose Fuentes of the U.S. Agency for International Development in Washington, which has four members on the ground in Grenada. "As soon as the initial assessment is done we'll be sending more aid."
British Royal Navy crews from two ships said Thursday they have cleared the damaged and flooded airport runway outside St. George's and that emergency relief flights were starting to arrive in the former colony.
The British sailors brought body bags ashore and performed some emergency surgery.
"We were saving lives yesterday, with many of my sailors ashore doing a lot of good work with people who had suffered quite terribly," Royal Navy Commander Mike McCartain said in an interview released by Britain's Ministry of Defense.
Mitchell confirmed that the island's 17th century stone prison was "completely devastated" allowing convicts to escape, including politicians jailed for 20 years for killings in a 1983 left-wing palace coup that led the United States to invade.
Grenada is known as a major world producer of nutmeg and for the U.S. invasion that followed the coup, when American officials had determined Grenada's airport was going to become a joint Cuban-Soviet base. Cuba said it was helping build the airport for civilian use. Nineteen Americans died in the fighting and a disputed number of others that the United States put at 45 Grenadians and 24 Cubans.
Mitchell, whose own home was flattened, said he feared the death toll would rise and much of the country's agriculture had been destroyed, including the nutmeg crop.
U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard said virtually every major building in St. George's has suffered structural damage and that the United Nations was sending a disaster team. Grenada's once-quaint capital boasted English Georgian and French provincial buildings.
"It looks like a landslide happened," said Nicole Organ, a 21-year-old veterinary student from Toronto at St. George's University, which overlooks the Grenadian capital. "There are all these colors coming down the mountainside -- sheets of metal, pieces of shacks, roofs came off in layers."
Students there, mostly Americans, were arming themselves with knives, sticks and pepper spray against looters, said Sonya Lazarevic, 36, from New York City. "We don't feel safe," she said on a bad telephone line.
When Organ wandered downtown after the hurricane passed, she said she saw bands of men carrying machetes looting a hardware store. She said she saw a bank with glass facade intact on her way down that was totally smashed when she returned.
In St. George's, looters smashed shop windows and cleared out a huge dry goods warehouse filled with rice, sugar, flour, butter and soap.
Elsewhere, Ivan pulverized concrete homes into piles of rubble and tore away hundreds of landmark red zinc roofs.
Its howling winds and drenching rains also flooded parts of Venezuela's north coast, and a 32-year-old man died after battering waves engulfed a kiosk.
In Tobago, officials reported a 32-year-old pregnant woman died when a 40-foot palm tree fell into her home, pinning her to her bed.
A 75-year-old Canadian woman was found drowned in a canal swollen by flood waters in Barbados. Neighbors said the Toronto native, who had lived in Barbados for 30 years, braved the storm to search for her cat.
A meteorologist at the Miami center, Hugh Cobb, said that if Ivan hits Jamaica, it could be more destructive than Hurricane Gilbert, which was only Category 3 when it devastated the island in 1988.
Jamaica posted a hurricane warning Thursday morning. Government schools were closed and fishermen advised to pull their skiffs ashore and head for dry land. Haiti's southwest remained on hurricane watch and tropical storm warning. Dominican Republic was under hurricane watch and tropical storm warning for the Barahona peninsula with a tropical storm watch over the southwest coast. Cayman Islands posted a hurricane watch as did Cuba for central and eastern parts of the island.
At 2 p.m. EDT, Ivan was centered about 360 miles southeast of Kingston, Jamaica. Hurricane-force winds extended up to 60 miles and tropical storm-force winds another 160 miles. Ivan was moving west-northwest at 15 mph.
UPDATED: 3:48 pm EDT September 9, 2004
ST. GEORGE'S, Grenada -- Hurricane Ivan intensified Thursday, heading straight for Jamaica and possibly Florida with 160 mph winds after it killed at least 20 people while pummeling Grenada, Barbados and other islands. Foreigners began fleeing Jamaica, and U.S. officials ordered people to evacuate the Florida Keys.
Widespread looting erupted in St. George's, Grenada's capital, and dazed survivors picked through debris and tried to salvage remnants left by the storm. An Associated Press reporter watched people taking televisions and shopping carts of food from warehouses.
Troops from other Caribbean nations were on the way to help restore order in Grenada, where the country's police commissioner said every police station was damaged.
The most powerful hurricane to hit the Caribbean in 10 years damaged 90 percent of the homes in Grenada, killing 13 people there, and destroyed a 17th century stone prison that left criminals on the loose, officials said.
Ivan was expected to reach Jamaica by Friday and Cuba by the weekend, the U.S. National Hurricane Center in Miami said.
Tourists and residents also were told to evacuate the Florida Keys because Ivan could hit the island chain by Sunday. It was the third evacuation ordered there in a month, following Hurricane Charley and hard on the heels of Hurricane Frances.
Hurricane Ivan strengthened early Thursday to become a Category 5 on a scale of 5. It packed sustained winds of 160 mph with higher gusts as it passed north of the Dutch Caribbean islands of Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao.
Four children also drowned after they were swept into the sea from a beach in Santo Domingo, capital of the Dominican Republic, nearly
"The children were in front of the sea when it seems a gigantic wave dragged them into the Caribbean Sea," said Jose Luis German, a spokesman for the National Emergency Commission. Authorities there closed part of the seaside Malecon drive, where massive waves washed over the road.
Jamaican leader P.J. Patterson urged his people to pray.
"We have to prepare for the worst case scenario. Let us pray for God's care," Patterson said Wednesday night. "This is a time that we must demonstrate that we are indeed our brothers' and sisters' keeper."
Amy White, a 29-year-old American living in Jamaica, was planning to fly out of the island Thursday morning for her parents' house in Monroe, N.J.
"They got worried so they said they wanted me to come home," said White, a marketing manager for a clothing apparel company in Kingston, the Jamaican capital. "I've never been in a hurricane like this before. I feel like it's fate so I'm gonna go."
At Kingston's international airport, dozens of foreigners lined up to get off the island.
"We were going to stick it out but the company I work for told everybody to evacuate," said Dennis Hennessey, 39, a building contractor from Essex Junction, Vt., who was helping build the new U.S. Embassy in Kingston.
"They say Jamaica is a blessed place, and I hope it is," he said.
On Tuesday, Ivan pummeled Grenada, Barbados and other southern islands and killed three people in Barbados, Tobago and Venezuela.
Details on the extent of the death and destruction in Grenada did not emerge until Wednesday because the storm cut all communications with the country of 100,000 people, and halted radio transmissions on the island.
"We are terribly devastated ... It's beyond imagination," Grenada's Prime Minister Keith Mitchell told his people and the world on Wednesday -- from aboard a British Royal Navy vessel that rushed to the rescue.
The United States declared Grenada a disaster area, allowing the immediate release of $50,000 for emergency relief.
"This is just a jump start," said spokesman Jose Fuentes of the U.S. Agency for International Development in Washington, which has four members on the ground in Grenada. "As soon as the initial assessment is done we'll be sending more aid."
British Royal Navy crews from two ships said Thursday they have cleared the damaged and flooded airport runway outside St. George's and that emergency relief flights were starting to arrive in the former colony.
The British sailors brought body bags ashore and performed some emergency surgery.
"We were saving lives yesterday, with many of my sailors ashore doing a lot of good work with people who had suffered quite terribly," Royal Navy Commander Mike McCartain said in an interview released by Britain's Ministry of Defense.
Mitchell confirmed that the island's 17th century stone prison was "completely devastated" allowing convicts to escape, including politicians jailed for 20 years for killings in a 1983 left-wing palace coup that led the United States to invade.
Grenada is known as a major world producer of nutmeg and for the U.S. invasion that followed the coup, when American officials had determined Grenada's airport was going to become a joint Cuban-Soviet base. Cuba said it was helping build the airport for civilian use. Nineteen Americans died in the fighting and a disputed number of others that the United States put at 45 Grenadians and 24 Cubans.
Mitchell, whose own home was flattened, said he feared the death toll would rise and much of the country's agriculture had been destroyed, including the nutmeg crop.
U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard said virtually every major building in St. George's has suffered structural damage and that the United Nations was sending a disaster team. Grenada's once-quaint capital boasted English Georgian and French provincial buildings.
"It looks like a landslide happened," said Nicole Organ, a 21-year-old veterinary student from Toronto at St. George's University, which overlooks the Grenadian capital. "There are all these colors coming down the mountainside -- sheets of metal, pieces of shacks, roofs came off in layers."
Students there, mostly Americans, were arming themselves with knives, sticks and pepper spray against looters, said Sonya Lazarevic, 36, from New York City. "We don't feel safe," she said on a bad telephone line.
When Organ wandered downtown after the hurricane passed, she said she saw bands of men carrying machetes looting a hardware store. She said she saw a bank with glass facade intact on her way down that was totally smashed when she returned.
In St. George's, looters smashed shop windows and cleared out a huge dry goods warehouse filled with rice, sugar, flour, butter and soap.
Elsewhere, Ivan pulverized concrete homes into piles of rubble and tore away hundreds of landmark red zinc roofs.
Its howling winds and drenching rains also flooded parts of Venezuela's north coast, and a 32-year-old man died after battering waves engulfed a kiosk.
In Tobago, officials reported a 32-year-old pregnant woman died when a 40-foot palm tree fell into her home, pinning her to her bed.
A 75-year-old Canadian woman was found drowned in a canal swollen by flood waters in Barbados. Neighbors said the Toronto native, who had lived in Barbados for 30 years, braved the storm to search for her cat.
A meteorologist at the Miami center, Hugh Cobb, said that if Ivan hits Jamaica, it could be more destructive than Hurricane Gilbert, which was only Category 3 when it devastated the island in 1988.
Jamaica posted a hurricane warning Thursday morning. Government schools were closed and fishermen advised to pull their skiffs ashore and head for dry land. Haiti's southwest remained on hurricane watch and tropical storm warning. Dominican Republic was under hurricane watch and tropical storm warning for the Barahona peninsula with a tropical storm watch over the southwest coast. Cayman Islands posted a hurricane watch as did Cuba for central and eastern parts of the island.
At 2 p.m. EDT, Ivan was centered about 360 miles southeast of Kingston, Jamaica. Hurricane-force winds extended up to 60 miles and tropical storm-force winds another 160 miles. Ivan was moving west-northwest at 15 mph.
Enderikari
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Grrrr...... Figures I come down to Disney World during the worst Hurricane Season I can remember... Three in a little over a month? What did Florida ever do to Mother Nature?
Tim G
Well-Known Member
We still have time to send Ivan to Texas
September 9, 2004
If you are paying attention to Ivan, you noticed how it originally was going along its merry way south of us. After bashing Cuba, it was to proceed in an orderly manner to some secondary state like Texas.
But then the National Hurricane Center plotted in a sharp right turn at the Bay of Pigs, putting Ivan on a collision course with Florida.
Orange County Chairman Rich Crotty has called for prayer, but I don't think that's enough. I think we should consider human sacrifices to lift this curse that has befallen us.
The Aztecs did it all the time. The sacrifices served as cathartic relief after traumatic events such as floods and earthquakes -- none of which compare to living in Florida without air conditioning.
The Aztecs also wanted to appease the various gods in charge of such events, such as meteorologists at the National Hurricane Center.
They conducted the sacrifices on top of pyramids, usually ripping out the victim's heart. Since we are not barbarians, lethal injection in the cupola on top of the CNL Center on Orange Avenue should suffice. The cupola is that thing up there that looks like some kind of Greek temple.
The masses could gather on Church Street, get whipped up into a savage frenzy, maybe get some steaks afterward at Phil Rampy's new place.
If you would like to offer yourself up for sacrifice, or would like to volunteer a neighbor or favorite politician, please contact me immediately.
Remember, it is an honor. . . .
The White House has given Halliburton a no-bid contract to oversee hurricane-recovery efforts. Get a free ________ Cheney bobble-head doll with every $200 fill-up of Kuwaiti gasoline. . . .
Luckily NASA did not implement its hurricane plan to suspend the shuttles from cranes in the Vehicle Assembly Building to protect them from flooding. Frances knocked a 10,000-square-foot hole in the VAB.
This raises the disturbing possibility of shuttle wind chimes.
The VAB supposedly is designed to withstand winds up to 125 mph and during Frances only faced gusts in the 90-mph range. Imagine that -- NASA screwing up a design.
After Hurricane Floyd damaged the VAB in 1999, NASA's emergency manager, Wayne Key, told Florida Today that a NASA hurricane study would call for "a major project to look at the fasteners to the outer skin of the Vehicle Assembly Building."
It seems looking was all they did.
Hey, maybe if the Genesis space capsule is flattened out enough, it could be wedged in the VAB hole.
There is no long-term solution.
NASA can't protect its shuttles from a major hurricane and can't afford to fly them out every time a storm starts churning in the Atlantic. . . .
Bright House conspiracy: Orlando Sentinel reporter David Damron was working on a story this week about all the cable customers who lost their signal from Bright House Networks. David, who lost his cable three weeks ago, found six Bright House trucks outside his house Tuesday afternoon. He watched the World Poker Tour last night. . . .
For those who think we should blow up hurricanes with nukes, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says it won't work. The storms are so powerful that even a big nuke wouldn't dent them. . . .
September 9, 2004
If you are paying attention to Ivan, you noticed how it originally was going along its merry way south of us. After bashing Cuba, it was to proceed in an orderly manner to some secondary state like Texas.
But then the National Hurricane Center plotted in a sharp right turn at the Bay of Pigs, putting Ivan on a collision course with Florida.
Orange County Chairman Rich Crotty has called for prayer, but I don't think that's enough. I think we should consider human sacrifices to lift this curse that has befallen us.
The Aztecs did it all the time. The sacrifices served as cathartic relief after traumatic events such as floods and earthquakes -- none of which compare to living in Florida without air conditioning.
The Aztecs also wanted to appease the various gods in charge of such events, such as meteorologists at the National Hurricane Center.
They conducted the sacrifices on top of pyramids, usually ripping out the victim's heart. Since we are not barbarians, lethal injection in the cupola on top of the CNL Center on Orange Avenue should suffice. The cupola is that thing up there that looks like some kind of Greek temple.
The masses could gather on Church Street, get whipped up into a savage frenzy, maybe get some steaks afterward at Phil Rampy's new place.
If you would like to offer yourself up for sacrifice, or would like to volunteer a neighbor or favorite politician, please contact me immediately.
Remember, it is an honor. . . .
The White House has given Halliburton a no-bid contract to oversee hurricane-recovery efforts. Get a free ________ Cheney bobble-head doll with every $200 fill-up of Kuwaiti gasoline. . . .
Luckily NASA did not implement its hurricane plan to suspend the shuttles from cranes in the Vehicle Assembly Building to protect them from flooding. Frances knocked a 10,000-square-foot hole in the VAB.
This raises the disturbing possibility of shuttle wind chimes.
The VAB supposedly is designed to withstand winds up to 125 mph and during Frances only faced gusts in the 90-mph range. Imagine that -- NASA screwing up a design.
After Hurricane Floyd damaged the VAB in 1999, NASA's emergency manager, Wayne Key, told Florida Today that a NASA hurricane study would call for "a major project to look at the fasteners to the outer skin of the Vehicle Assembly Building."
It seems looking was all they did.
Hey, maybe if the Genesis space capsule is flattened out enough, it could be wedged in the VAB hole.
There is no long-term solution.
NASA can't protect its shuttles from a major hurricane and can't afford to fly them out every time a storm starts churning in the Atlantic. . . .
Bright House conspiracy: Orlando Sentinel reporter David Damron was working on a story this week about all the cable customers who lost their signal from Bright House Networks. David, who lost his cable three weeks ago, found six Bright House trucks outside his house Tuesday afternoon. He watched the World Poker Tour last night. . . .
For those who think we should blow up hurricanes with nukes, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says it won't work. The storms are so powerful that even a big nuke wouldn't dent them. . . .
TimeTrip
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mathmagic said:
I agree.. while I appreciate all the info, spamming of long stories with huge headline fonts (to me) gets bothersome. I usually don't read all the text so I have to scroll and scroll and scroll to get to another message that isn't just re-gurgitated news. Hopefully I'm not the only one that feels this way
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Tim G
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<TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="98%" border=1><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#ff0000><TABLE width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=large>STORM STATUS</TD><TD class=small align=right>September 9, 4:29 PM EDT</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#cccccc><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="95%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=2>Name: Hurricane Ivan</TD></TR><TR><TD class=small vAlign=top>Location: About 350 miles, 565 km, Southeast of Kingston Jamaica.
Lat/Long: 15.0N, 72.5W
Max Winds: 150 mph
Category: 4
</TD><TD class=small vAlign=top noWrap>Heading: West-Northwest
Speed: 15 mph
Pressure: 27.20 inches</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Lat/Long: 15.0N, 72.5W
Max Winds: 150 mph
Category: 4
</TD><TD class=small vAlign=top noWrap>Heading: West-Northwest
Speed: 15 mph
Pressure: 27.20 inches</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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TimeTrip
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Corrus said:That's indeed a setback, the problem is, that if would post half an article it would be incomlete news, therefore no news at all... that's the reason I post the whole thing!
Sorry for the inconvience.. (if any
What about links to the article you're referencing?
PeeplMoovr
Active Member
Newest info on the track of Ivan...
(A bit of humor for those of us in FLA dealing with this... sorry if you've seen this already)
(A bit of humor for those of us in FLA dealing with this... sorry if you've seen this already)