thedisneyfan
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askmike1 said:
Thanks for the clarifications. I thought that you didn't care at all!
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Thanks for the clarifications. I thought that you didn't care at all!
Grizz, that article is incredibly one-sided. All the quotes are from the minority who dont like the changes, there are no quotes from the many people who are voicing their satisfaction with the changes. Your comparitive photos are also totally unfair. In one you show a close up of some empty refrigeration units to represent the new Sunshine Seasons, and yet for the old Land you show a full panoramic view of the entire Land.
I can understand you dont like the changes at Epcot, but the way you are presenting them is making you look like someone who is bitterly against any change, and totally out of touch with reality.
I can understand you dont like the changes at Epcot, but the way you are presenting them is making you look like someone who is bitterly against any change, and totally out of touch with reality.
CEO, that has never been the policy and never will be. I have already stated we will post a variety of opinions, including yours regarding The Land, should you have a good report to send to us.The_CEO said:
This is why, at the end of every major series, we have opened up the articles to "YOUR opinions" and post what we receive.
I see it, too: sky, sun beams, clouds, trees reaching up, soil... I believe that was the intent.The_CEO said:
dxwwf3
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I thought it was a very well written article Grizz. I can definately see your points and I agree with quite a few of them. It seems to me like they are trying to have the best of both worlds with the pavilion. You've got the balloons, Living With The Land, and Circle of Life having one theme and you've got Soarin', Sunshine Seasons, and the new seating areas having another theme. Alot of people think that this is fine and it works well. And it's hard for me to argue with that. Both of the themes can be linked to "The Land". But I don't see how anyone can argue that the pavilion does seem to have 2 distinctive themes now, where it just used to have one. I honestly think that most of us (that haven't already) will get used to the new Land. I expect that I will over time. But one thing I think everyone can agree on, this wasn't a cheap, non-effort rehab by Disney. And I think that all of those responsible for the work should be commended for doing a great job and not cutting corners.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
ddank
New Member
Grizz- I have admired your motivations for quite some time now as a lurker here. I shared your concern as to what this might turn into. However Im dissappointed with your article and how you compared the new to the old without focusing on how they improved the theming. I feel that light airy colors work just as well to convey our connection to our land as well as bluish hues. I also feel the seasons theme was much too subtle before (you have to understand 99% of those who go to disney so not read into the theming as much as you do, the old seasons theming was likely not appearent as current incarnation). Here the seasons are clearly outlined and appreciated much more than in the former land. The artistic style of the Land fits perfectly with the new WDW (if youve been to Jiko, Kona Cafe, Flying Fish, Citricos, all recently built restaurants, youd see what I mean). And the fact that living with the land queue is the same as before shows me now that the ride has its own queue with the earthy colors you love (as it should because this ride is the one that is meant to help us really appreciate the earth and what it provides for us). To me the whole thing makes much more sense now. Also the exterior landscaping make the former entrance look like an airport runway! Grizz it couldve been much much worse.
Empress Room
Active Member
wdwmagic said:
Steve:
Well said.
Sir_Cliff
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I think askmike's photo comparison really puts it all into perspective. Sure, juxtaposing the new bright interior with pictures of the trees outside is jarring. So too is juxtaposing the bright aqua interior of the old building with the wonders of Mother Nature, if not a little moreso as it's a little dark and opressive. Also, really, some grand story of 'simbiosis' was not being told by the old food court.
To me it appears that people seem inclined to see wonderfully masterful storytelling in everything that's been left more or less unchanged for 15 years or more. I don't personally see a grander story being told by what was there before, other than a greater emphasis on agricultural produce. I could be misjudging the popular sentiment, but I think people's concerns these days in relation to 'The Land' have more to do with management of the environment in a general sense which, of course, includes farming (as does the pavilion), but has a stronger emphasis on the natural environment. The farmer's market theming (which wasn't exactly the Splash Mountain of dining) has made way for a less obvious seasons theming (which we have yet to see fully executed), but the theme of nature through the seasons is much more thoroughly carried through the pavilion in a far more sophisticated manner. I don't think it will be lost on diners at the food court any more than the simbiosis theme was.
The preocupation with the airport theming seems to predate actually seeing the final pavilion, and my personal opinion is that it's being overblown. The visual cues are there, but people are not going to be walking into the pavilion thinking "Wait a minute, this looks like an airport! What does this industrial theme have to do with Mother Nature?!?" If anything, IMHO, there is a subconscious connection between travel and the environment for most urbanites.
Ah well, vive le diference, viva la revolucion and all the rest!
To me it appears that people seem inclined to see wonderfully masterful storytelling in everything that's been left more or less unchanged for 15 years or more. I don't personally see a grander story being told by what was there before, other than a greater emphasis on agricultural produce. I could be misjudging the popular sentiment, but I think people's concerns these days in relation to 'The Land' have more to do with management of the environment in a general sense which, of course, includes farming (as does the pavilion), but has a stronger emphasis on the natural environment. The farmer's market theming (which wasn't exactly the Splash Mountain of dining) has made way for a less obvious seasons theming (which we have yet to see fully executed), but the theme of nature through the seasons is much more thoroughly carried through the pavilion in a far more sophisticated manner. I don't think it will be lost on diners at the food court any more than the simbiosis theme was.
The preocupation with the airport theming seems to predate actually seeing the final pavilion, and my personal opinion is that it's being overblown. The visual cues are there, but people are not going to be walking into the pavilion thinking "Wait a minute, this looks like an airport! What does this industrial theme have to do with Mother Nature?!?" If anything, IMHO, there is a subconscious connection between travel and the environment for most urbanites.
Ah well, vive le diference, viva la revolucion and all the rest!
Empress Room
Active Member
ddank said:
Excellent points. What narrow-minded reviewers like The General (and Buzzy) fail to recognize is that this is not Epcot or The Land circa 1983. We can all wax nostalgic about how we personally connected with the theming of the previous incarnation of The Land pavillion, but the fact remains that this is the 21st century and change is a good, if not great thing.
Picking on the imagineers for using a metal railing instead of a wooden one is silly and nonsensical. Wooden railings were stylish...in 1985. Disney got their use out of them past the 1994 rehab right up until the new Land was born. In 2005, wooden railings are out, and sleek metal railings comprise cutting-edge decoration and architecture. Deal with it.
I cannot wait to see the rehab in person. From the pictures I have reviewed, this rehab is big budget, thoughtful and sleek. It is the new WDW - designs similar to Jiko, Citricos and Flying Fish. The themeing works for me for I wanted to see an end product that was part of a plan, that was thought out and was completed by opening up the pocket book. By all accounts, this was done.
I would gladly order up this kind of theming for Imagination, Wonders of Life and Universe of Energy. It's edgy and arty. It's 21st century. Like it or not, the 80s are over. Motley Crue is "classic" rock.
chancellor
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I have been looking at these pictures and reading the criticism of the metal railings, and I noticed that there are posts sticking up at the intersection of each panel, which is not very practical for a railing (and could cause injury). What I'm getting at is, maybe there is an element of the railing which has not yet been installed? Like a wooden or earthy-toned rail? Also, it's clear that the food court is not finished, and the garish carpet may well look completely different when it is serving as a backdrop for table tops instead of jumping out at us like it does right now. I'm willing to wager that half of the complaints on this thread go away when the pavilion is actually finished.
FWIW, put me on the side of liking the renovation. I had always thought The Land transported me to...1978. And that was even back in the early 80s.
FWIW, put me on the side of liking the renovation. I had always thought The Land transported me to...1978. And that was even back in the early 80s.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this part of EPCOT called future world? The old land made looked out-dated, really 1970s. (Which given that it opened in the 80s is quite impressive really!!)
Whilst I agree that some of the agricultural themes could have been expressed more strongly. I can't really see how anyone, who actually has been there in recent years, can not think that this is an improvement. Much cleaner, much more modern.
Whilst I agree that some of the agricultural themes could have been expressed more strongly. I can't really see how anyone, who actually has been there in recent years, can not think that this is an improvement. Much cleaner, much more modern.
Wckd Queen
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Agreed. I always felt that The Land looked dated. The queue area for the ride always made me feel like I was in a subway tunnel or something, and I kind of thought the pavilion was underutilized space wise.njm said:
I like this though. The colors are bright and inviting and the space is utilized. The seating looks plentiful. I like the food court set up this way, because in the past our party had to split up to go to various booths if we wanted different things and then pay separately. Here you can get everthing at once and pay together, like at the All Stars. The "season" rugs are cool too. Anyone who's been up to Mohegan Sun Casino is familiar with this, since the Casino of the Earth is seasons themed. The carpets in each section reflect the season, along with the somewhat freeform trees.
I like it!