The New Fantasyland

lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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TP2000 said:
Exactly. Here's a picture of Walt in October, 1966, less than 60 days before his death. This is Walt in the "Florida Project" room at Imagineering. The big map behind him is the Magic Kingdom, the self-described "weenie" that would get people to visit and travel through Epcot the city to the northern edge of the property.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kcOhS_A3t.../W3E9z1fBqx0/s1600-h/WALT%2BDISNEY%2B1965.jpg
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Thank you for posting this. I have been trying to find a clear image. My attempts to take my own at One Man's Dream have never been successful.
 
jt04

jt04

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TP2000 said:
Exactly. Here's a picture of Walt in October, 1966, less than 60 days before his death. This is Walt in the "Florida Project" room at Imagineering. The big map behind him is the Magic Kingdom, the self-described "weenie" that would get people to visit and travel through Epcot the city to the northern edge of the property.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kcOhS_A3t.../W3E9z1fBqx0/s1600-h/WALT%2BDISNEY%2B1965.jpg

Just study that October, 1966 picture of Walt and his new Florida property for a few moments. I'll wait...

Look at that theme park! It's just a cut and paste of Disneyland circa 1966. There's New Orleans Square and Haunted Mansion, with the house built in '63 but the ride still yet to open in '69. There's the Matterhorn, and It's a Small World in Fantasyland, with StorybookLand Canal Boats and Casey Jr. Circus Train. There's Fowler's Harbor and the home port of the Sailing Ship Columbia with the Indian Village beyond. Frontierland features the original 1960 layout of Mine Train Through Nature's Wonderland and the Pack Mules. The railroad around the park passes through the Grand Canyon Diorama building and the new Primeval World using the dinosaurs from the World's Fair. And over in Tomorrowland there's the CircleVision theater sponsored by the Bell System, with the Autopia freeways covering the caverns of the Submarine Voyage. The Carousel of Progress isn't there because that won't arrive until '67, but the Flying Saucers installed in 1962 are clearly visible. All in Walt's Magic Kingdom Theme Park in the northern edge of his Florida Project. :brick:
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I noticed they don't show much of Fantasyland. Nor did you talk about it.

Perhaps someone found something in the archives?


Not an impossibility. :shrug:
 
EPCOT Explorer

EPCOT Explorer

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TP2000 said:
Exactly. Here's a picture of Walt in October, 1966, less than 60 days before his death. This is Walt in the "Florida Project" room at Imagineering. The big map behind him is the Magic Kingdom, the self-described "weenie" that would get people to visit and travel through Epcot the city to the northern edge of the property.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kcOhS_A3t.../W3E9z1fBqx0/s1600-h/WALT%2BDISNEY%2B1965.jpg

Just study that October, 1966 picture of Walt and his new Florida property for a few moments. I'll wait...

Look at that theme park! It's just a cut and paste of Disneyland circa 1966. There's New Orleans Square and Haunted Mansion, with the house built in '63 but the ride still yet to open in '69. There's the Matterhorn, and It's a Small World in Fantasyland, with StorybookLand Canal Boats and Casey Jr. Circus Train. There's Fowler's Harbor and the home port of the Sailing Ship Columbia with the Indian Village beyond. Frontierland features the original 1960 layout of Mine Train Through Nature's Wonderland and the Pack Mules. The railroad around the park passes through the Grand Canyon Diorama building and the new Primeval World using the dinosaurs from the World's Fair. And over in Tomorrowland there's the CircleVision theater sponsored by the Bell System, with the Autopia freeways covering the caverns of the Submarine Voyage. The Carousel of Progress isn't there because that won't arrive until '67, but the Flying Saucers installed in 1962 are clearly visible. All in Walt's Magic Kingdom Theme Park in the northern edge of his Florida Project. :brick:
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Very interesting!:sohappy:
 
tirian

tirian

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jt04 said:
lazyboy97o said:
The EPCOT Film was made in October and Walt died in December. His health was already getting to him as he never even bothered to reshoot a line where he incorrectly gives the name of EPCOT as the Experimental Prototype City of Tomorrow. Watch the video and you can see him correct himself. If you have the evidence to show that Walt Disney was not fixated on EPCOT you will be the first.

I just don't see any reason to believe he hadn't expressed his desires for the MK no matter how fixated he was on Epcot. They were working on the WDW project for many years not just a couple months.


I should know by now that this will once again be futile, but I guess I will. Team Disney orlando has never had the authority you allege it ever held. This type of project would always be something decided by corporate. Team Disney Orlando's job is to make the case for projects such as this, adding capacity to what is supposedly the world's busiest theme park. Corporate is doing their job for them, not establishing a new structure.

Well this is the third variation I've heard. Call me a skeptic. I guess we will have to wait for the book.


I can understand it fine right now. Just read Grimm's Fairy Tales and the enchanted forest is everywhere. The castle wall comes directly from that same fairy tale model. What this shows is an combination of the settings of various fairy tales.

Belle is outside castle walls, and why I doubt a second castle would be built, because she is from a "little town, full of little people [...] a poor provincial town". Ariel may be royalty but even Prince Eric lived on a seaside property. How this plays out can do a lot in the geographic narrative of Fantasyland.

The castle wall sitting between Snow White and Pooh is also clear. Inside we have the fair princess and on the outside we have the silly bear of the Hundred Acre Wood. It all moves out into an enchanted forest. Moving Dumbo also places the circus into a clearing in the wood near the train tracks, exactly where a circus would have set up show.

Seems brilliant to me.[/quote]

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TP2000 said:
Exactly. Here's a picture of Walt in October, 1966, less than 60 days before his death. This is Walt in the "Florida Project" room at Imagineering. The big map behind him is the Magic Kingdom, the self-described "weenie" that would get people to visit and travel through Epcot the city to the northern edge of the property.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kcOhS_A3t.../W3E9z1fBqx0/s1600-h/WALT%2BDISNEY%2B1965.jpg

Just study that October, 1966 picture of Walt and his new Florida property for a few moments. I'll wait...

Look at that theme park! It's just a cut and paste of Disneyland circa 1966. There's New Orleans Square and Haunted Mansion, with the house built in '63 but the ride still yet to open in '69. There's the Matterhorn, and It's a Small World in Fantasyland, with StorybookLand Canal Boats and Casey Jr. Circus Train. There's Fowler's Harbor and the home port of the Sailing Ship Columbia with the Indian Village beyond. Frontierland features the original 1960 layout of Mine Train Through Nature's Wonderland and the Pack Mules. The railroad around the park passes through the Grand Canyon Diorama building and the new Primeval World using the dinosaurs from the World's Fair. And over in Tomorrowland there's the CircleVision theater sponsored by the Bell System, with the Autopia freeways covering the caverns of the Submarine Voyage. The Carousel of Progress isn't there because that won't arrive until '67, but the Flying Saucers installed in 1962 are clearly visible. All in Walt's Magic Kingdom Theme Park in the northern edge of his Florida Project. :brick:
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EPCOT Explorer said:
I think that idea is dead...

:rolleyes::ROFLOL::ROFLOL: He's giving us time to forget...:lol:


I did it on purpose!:lol: Let me geek out!:mad::ROFLOL:
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Fact:

Walt hated to repeat himself. The idea that the MK would have been a carbon copy of DL is extremely faulty. Common sense dictates that the cut-and-pasted map of DL was used because it was the easiest thing to do for the television program, not because it was really going to be identical.


Fact:

Walt would never allow a half-finished product to go out to the public, meaning the DL-fanboy pipe dream that he didn't care about the MK is 100% false. Yes, it's true that EPCOT was Walt's true passion for the Florida Project, but he had already been considering an East-Coast DL for years. Since he hated to repeat himself ("No more pigs" = "No more sequels"), he decided to make something even more exciting than another DL clone, which brings us to our final...


Fact:

Several Imagineers have confirmed that WDW was to be Walt's crowning triumph, and they constantly looked for ways to out-do the original California park. Why would the group of artists, engineers, architects, and city planners be content to let a past success be the only "true" one, and just crap out an inferior version later? From the bigger castle and Main Street to the waterways, the improved FL (it was better than DL's at the time WDW opened) to the plans for Wester River Expedition, the Imagineers clearly felt that Walt wanted the new MK to be better. All this was in addition to the city EPCOT.

I know this has nothing to do with the OP, and I know EPCOT was Walt's primary passion for the Florida Project, but I also hate seeing people spout faulty Internet fanboy nonsense that Walt didn't care about the MK itself.

EDIT:
If Walt were still alive, rolling around like a 100+ year-old, chain-smoking prune, he'd probably have made sure that any subsequent DL parks were better than WDW's MK. Of course, he'd also make sure DL and WDW received regular upgrades and changes. He was always looking for ways to improve things.
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EPCOT Explorer

EPCOT Explorer

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tirian said:
FACT:

Walt hated to repeat himself. The idea that the MK would have been a carbon copy of DL is extremely faulty. Common sense dictates that the cut-and-pasted map of DL was used because it was the easiest thing to do for the television program, not because it was really going to be identical.


FACT:

Walt would never allow a half-finished product to go out to the public, meaning the DL-fanboy pipe dream that he didn't care about the MK is 100% false. Yes, it's true that EPCOT was Walt's true passion for the Florida Project, but he had already been considering an East-Coast DL for years. Since he hated to repeat himself ("No more pigs" = "No more sequels"), he decided to make something even more exciting than another DL clone, which brings us to our final...


FACT:

Several Imagineers have confirmed that WDW was to be Walt's crowning triumph, and they constantly looked for ways to out-do the original California park. Why would the group of artists, engineers, architects, and city planners be content to let a past success be the only "true" one, and just crap out an inferior version later? From the bigger castle and Main Street to the waterways, the improved FL (it was better than DL's at the time WDW opened) to the plans for Wester River Expedition, the Imagineers clearly felt that Walt wanted the new MK to be better. All this was in addition to the city EPCOT.

I know this has nothing to do with the OP, and I know EPCOT was Walt's primary passion for the Florida Project, but I also hate seeing people spout faulty Internet fanboy nonsense that Walt didn't care about the MK itself.

EDIT:
If Walt were still alive, rolling around like a 100+ year-old, chain-smoking prune, he'd probably have made sure that any subsequent DL parks were better than WDW's MK. Of course, he'd also make sure DL and WDW received regular upgrades and changes. He was always looking for ways to improve things.
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Very interesting, Tirian!:wave: Thanks for posting...

...I might use this for future reference, that OK?
 

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