The New Fantasyland

Horizonsfan

Horizonsfan

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jt04 said:
All 4 parks need work. I absolutely believe that Disney intends eventually to keep all resort rooms filled at non-discounted rates. They are overbuilt now but I think that was the plan all along. To get the inventory ahead of demand for a time rather than lose guests off site during peak season. But nobody could have anticipated the severe downturn we have experienced. So I think they will now develop the parks to fill the rooms at a quicker pace. And as we know these projects take many years. Many more years than the 2 years left before the 40th. Obviously the 50th will not just be papered over.

As far TDO being over-ruled and forced to accept the expansion. Well, even if that is the way it's going down, it is indicative of future trends. It's obvious these type decisions are going to be coming from the top more and more. Perhaps all the TDO bashing has been part of it. :rolleyes: Or maybe it is just easier to control quality and content from California and TDO's loss of power is just the result of a new corporate strategy. I'd bet on the latter.
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Like I've said to you before jt, not everything has a grand plan. WDW is capable of, and has many times, dropping the ball/screwing up.

Yes, it does take a long time to develop attractions but, c'mon, you and I both know that they haven't been working on this redevelopment plan seriously for 17+ years. Could it have been floated around multiple times through out the years? Sure. Was there a devoted, constant, team developing this plan for all those years? No way. TLM was originally going to be an exclusive at DCA, remember? Then, someone realized that MK was overdue, by about a decade, for a new E-ticket. They decided to clone it for Florida. A little later they realized that MK had bad capacity problems. So, they decided to redevelop the area around TLM to absorb more guests.

Should we be glad they're finally doing something? Yes. Should we completely forget how inexcusably long it took? No.
 
Horizonsfan

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rudyjr13 said:
Does anyone have any insight as to why TDO would be against this type of refurb/plussing in the MK? One would think they would be the ones pushing upper management to improve on the park and your Igers would be pushing back saying hold tight until the economy rebounds.

Unless they truly don't care unless attendance drops? I find that hard to believe especially since I'm assuming the flat attendance numbers from 08 to 09 do not translate into higher profit due to the discounts/incentives.
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I'll try and summarize it as best as possible:

From what I have learned from various insiders (I'm not going to try and pretend like I personally have connections) is that some in TDO and P&R just don't "understand" the parks. To them, you don't run the parks any differently than you would your local Target. Others at TDO understand and don't care, it's just a paycheck with a big benefit (the Disney name on your resume) should they ever get canned or quit. There are some at TDO that do care about the parks and want reinvestment, unfortunately they are not in high enough positions for it to make a strong impact (though they are reportedly starting to get there)
 
jt04

jt04

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Horizonsfan said:
Like I've said to you before jt, not everything has a grand plan. WDW is capable of, and has many times, dropping the ball/screwing up.

Yes, it does take a long time to develop attractions but, c'mon, you and I both know that they haven't been working on this redevelopment plan seriously for 17+ years. Could it have been floated around multiple times through out the years? Sure. Was there a devoted, constant, team developing this plan for all those years? No way. TLM was originally going to be an exclusive at DCA, remember? Then, someone realized that MK was overdue, by about a decade, for a new E-ticket. They decided to clone it for Florida. A little later they realized that MK had bad capacity problems. So, they decided to redevelop the area around TLM to absorb more guests.


Should we be glad they're finally doing something? Yes. Should we completely forget how inexcusably long it took? No.
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It's easy to second guess. We obviously don't know all the factors that go into these decisions. Adding "gates" to WDW is seriously expensive. Way way way beyond an E-Ticket add.

I have never said the actual attractions are part of a long range plan. That is way to detailed. But I do believe there are "macro" plans that get refreshed as time goes on. I believe at any given time there are long range plans, but whether they get approved is a different story. My guess is the macro concept of a castle courtyard, castle walls and enchanted forest has been around a long time. It is just to well conceived. If there is someone that just came up with the idea, they are beyond brilliant.
 
_Scar

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I think i'd rather have TDS replica at WDW without doing anything else to the 4 parks... TDS is like a fine work of art. It is brilliant.
 
jt04

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_Scar said:
I think i'd rather have TDS replica at WDW without doing anything else to the 4 parks... TDS is like a fine work of art. It is brilliant.
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Keep dreaming or saving your money to visit Japan because there is no way a TDS clone is coming to WDW. And they likely won't be getting a DAK either.
 
Horizonsfan

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jt04 said:
We'll see. Like I said, I love the view from out on the limb. We've already had it confirmed short, medium and long range plans exist. Very few get accomplished unammended but they do exist.
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Jt I don't mind debating but are you even really reading and processing what I'm writing? I'm just going to just back away. <<headache>>
 
jt04

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Horizonsfan said:
Jt I don't mind debating but are you even really reading and processing what I'm writing? I think I'm just going to just back away. I feel like I'm in wonderland with this discussion. <<headache>>
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Well perhaps a discussion is more than a nebulous comment that makes no sense. Are you accusing me, Disney, some poster or yourself of making stuff up in your previous post? It's not exactly clear. :brick:
 
Studios Fan

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hoke2007 said:
I don't know anyone who actually wants a 5th theme park at WDW. The 4 existing theme parks need a lot of help. I cannot even begin to describe how disgusted I'd be with Disney if they built a 5th theme park without significantly helping out the 4 existing parks first.
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I agree with you. If you have one park in DHS that is closing at 7 most of the time and another that is only open most days about 8 hours a day (DAK) then you shouldn't be building a 5th date. Both of those parks have so much potential and could be just as crowded if they would show them some love.
 
WDW Vacationer

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I think we can say the plans are real. We heard notices were sent out within the company about the plans being leaked,meetings were held about it too suuposedly. Also,we heard D23 is mad because this was one of their announcements at the Expo. Wether or not it will all make it into the park,who knows. Things are even changing for DCA. I think patience is the only source for this one.:shrug:(with all due respect marni ;))
 
EPCOT Explorer

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jt04 said:
Mermaid will work in the new plan I think because it will fuction as an isolated land visually. And it's roots are located in europen folklore both literally and figuratively. 20K, not so much.

Yes! One of the best of Eisner's decisions. Now we have the possibility of an entire land similarly themed. Thanks Michael!
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jt04 said:
20K was falling apart. So some stuff got shut down, we got DAK out of the deal.

Big picture. Ya gotta look at the big picture. :)

It'll all make perfect sense by the 50th anniversary.
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I have nothing to say, but that is utterly delusional. And I mean that in the most polite way, before you jump on my back, jt.:)


Close a revolutionary ETic for a park? And then later for a Playground?:brick:
marni1971 said:
Other way around - and thankfully it`s happening. Albeit slowly.
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Thank goodness.
 
jt04

jt04

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WDW Vacationer said:
I think we can say the plans are real. We heard notices were sent out within the company about the plans being leaked,meetings were held about it too suuposedly. Also,we heard D23 is mad because this was one of their announcements at the Expo. Wether or not it will all make it into the park,who knows. Things are even changing for DCA. I think patience is the only source for this one.:shrug:(with all due respect marni ;))
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What plans are real? MI, FL, 20K, DTD, Tron, BK, 5th Gate, ST2, MI Coaster, Monorail Expansion......?
 

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