The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

Too Many Hats

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Hot take: Whether California Screamin' or Incredicoaster, it's a rather boring, forceless coaster with unnecessary OTSRs that prohibit any sense of thrill or fun.

Edit: the launch is great, though. I'll definitely give it that.

Edit #2: okay, "any sense of fun" may be a bit overstated. It's possible I'm in a salty mood because it's looking like I have to work late on a Friday night. But really, the OTSRs are crazy intrusive on this coaster and make the ride like 3x less exciting than it could be.
 
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PiratesMansion

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Hot take: Whether California Screamin' or Incredicoaster, it's a rather boring, forceless coaster with unnecessary OTSRs that prohibit any sense of thrill or fun.
I don't know if I'd go quite that far, but it's just never done anything for me. Regardless of incarnation it's not a bad ride, but there's nothing about it that makes me want to get in line again.

I'd sooner ride any roller coaster at Disneyland instead of Screamin'/Incredicoaster. It's better than Sky School (which I wouldn't have ridden at all on my last trip had my travel buddy not wanted to), but otherwise? Give me a mountain anyday. Or Rock N' Roller Coaster. Crush's Coaster. Or Ghostrider, Hangtime, something at Magic Mountain, etc.
 

PiratesMansion

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I might go so far as to say it's kind of a bad ride, haha. I think the low-rent theming is pretty embarrassing for Disney.



Agreed (excluding Gadget).
It's never been great, and the Incredicoaster additions that have been added just make it more awkward for me from a thematic perspective.

Why would the Incredibles build a coaster like that? They wouldn't, but synergy.
 

Too Many Hats

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It's better than Sky School (which I wouldn't have ridden at all on my last trip had my travel buddy not wanted to), but otherwise? Give me a mountain anyday. Or Rock N' Roller Coaster. Crush's Coaster. Or Ghostrider, Hangtime, something at Magic Mountain, etc.

Exactly. The theming is a bust, so the only thing left to judge is the coaster itself... which can't really compete IMO with the better offerings at Knott's or Magic Mountain.

I too would rank it behind RnRC. And Everest. More satisfying experiences overall, IMO.
 

Too Many Hats

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I have to disagree so hard. Screamin' / Incredicoaster is SO MUCH FUN.

I've always loved the ride, thrills, good length. So much fun.

I'm jealous; I wish I could enjoy it. The one time I rode Incredicoaster, I got so bored that I started thinking about my mortality. If I don't have kids, who will care for me when I'm old? Oh, they pump in cookie smell on this ride? I wonder if I will outlive my wife. Oh, I guess Jack-Jack is huge now? Huh. Ride's over; time for soft-serve at Cozy Cone.
 

GiveMeTheMusic

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“Luck” thoughts…

I am so disappointed. Been looking forward to the Lasseter-produced movie “Luck” for months and… Man, this movie needed more time in the oven.

I think Lasseter was hugely overrated by Disney fans and the bulk of what his tenure produced can be attributed to the creatives beneath him, many of whom are singular talents who have done just fine without him around. I would not expect Skydance to produce anything astounding just because he's in charge over there. I am more interested in their next film with a new Menken score than Luck, which didn't look very interesting in the trailer.

Amazing that someone who did so much unwanted "touching" that his female employees named a defensive move after him would readily by hired by any other studio with no outward show of repentance or change in any way. And that's not even touching his very serious drinking problem, for which I very much hope he has gotten help. Amazing how people who get "canceled" just keep showing up and getting paid millions of dollars!
 

mickEblu

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I don't know if I'd go quite that far, but it's just never done anything for me. Regardless of incarnation it's not a bad ride, but there's nothing about it that makes me want to get in line again.

I'd sooner ride any roller coaster at Disneyland instead of Screamin'/Incredicoaster. It's better than Sky School (which I wouldn't have ridden at all on my last trip had my travel buddy not wanted to), but otherwise? Give me a mountain anyday. Or Rock N' Roller Coaster. Crush's Coaster. Or Ghostrider, Hangtime, something at Magic Mountain, etc.

I’m not going to lie. I think I feel that drop on Sky School more than any drop on Incredicoaster. I don’t think it’s far fetched to say it’s the best drop of any coaster at DLR. Of course, not that there is stiff competition across the resort in that department.
 
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Californian Elitist

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If it's not going to really be themed like any of the mountains or any of the various Disney coasters-in-a-box it much more directly invites such comparisons IMO.
But it was never meant to be like the mountains. The original was meant to mimic a seaside amusement parks coaster.

I would argue it’s in the middle and in its own category. The ride itself is too “extreme” (I can’t think of a better word) to be compared to any of the other Disney rides and is too themed and not extreme enough to be compared to the behemoths at MM.
 

mickEblu

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I'm jealous; I wish I could enjoy it. The one time I rode Incredicoaster, I got so bored that I started thinking about my mortality. If I don't have kids, who will care for me when I'm old? Oh, they pump in cookie smell on this ride? I wonder if I will outlive my wife. Oh, I guess Jack-Jack is huge now? Huh. Ride's over; time for soft-serve at Cozy Cone.

Lol. It felt a bit more tame on my last ride front Row. The couple times before that I rode in the back which kicks it up a couple notches.
 

PiratesMansion

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I’m not going to lie. I think I feel that drop on Sky School more than any drop on Incredicoaster. I don’t think it’s far fetched to say it’s the best drop of any coaster at DLR.
It's not a bad drop, but that particular ride is basically identical to any number of wild mouse coasters made by Mack (albeit tamed somewhat for Disney's sensibilities). So while good, it's not one I associate with Disney particularly.

My favorite DLR coaster drops are the big drop in the middle of Space Mountain or, even better, the dip on the Matterhorn Tomorrowland side that goes under the Fantasyland side. They're not necessarily intended to be as thrilling, but I also enjoy the dips into the water at the end of Matterhorn just because there's the unknown of potentially getting soaked (which hasn't happened to me ever but has happened to at least a few POV recorders over the years).

But it was never meant to be like the mountains. The original was meant to mimic a seaside amusement parks coaster.

I would argue it’s in the middle and in its own category. The ride itself is too “extreme” (I can’t think of a better word) to be compared to any of the other Disney rides and is too themed and not extreme enough to be compared to the behemoths at MM.
I suppose it's true that it was never meant to be like the mountains, but Superstar Limo was never meant to be like Pirates or Mansion and yet was judged against them anyway. To me it's a similar sort of case. It may not be a fair or equal comparison, but it most certainly happened when that ride was around

Incredicoaster is definitely "extreme" or bordering on it for the bulk of Disney's demographic, but of the roller coasters that currently exist at DLR, if you were to put all of them out in the middle of an empty field at a more conventional amusement park, Incredicoaster would easily fit better than any of the others. It's made by Intamin (a coaster manufacturer typically associated with more extreme rides) with their signature, undisguised track style, so that's immediately going to make subconscious associations in my brain, which is admittedly perhaps more of a personal problem rather than any actual fault of the ride itself. If the ride is themed, which is kind of dubious to me, its theming is/was primarily in its structure, in which case all one would need to do to adapt it for a conventional park would be to change the structure and it would instantly look right at home at a Six Flags park, where it would likely be lauded as a perfect "in between" sort of ride.

Not all of Magic Mountain's rides are extreme (ex. Goldrusher, Ninja) and arguably one of their newest rides, West Coast Racers, isn't really too far removed from something like Incredicoaster. So I think it would actually fit in just fine at a park like Magic Mountain (and it would actually fit in quite well in many more coaster parks than not, giving them an in between sort of ride they would benefit from). Here's West Coast Racers for comparison (with apologies for the awkward middle section where the train's just waiting for the next train be dispatched before the ride continues). Other than going upside down a few more times it's not doing anything dissimilar to what Incredicoaster does: multiple launches, banked turns, helices, etc.:


EDIT: I can't believe my enthusiast brain also forgot Revolution in the same park! Another ride not all that dissimilar from Incredicoaster, down to only having a single loop. Other than using specialized terrain, it's not doing anything terribly different from the DCA ride:

I haven’t been on a non-DLR coaster (besides the Mummy at USH) in over 10 years. It’s time.
Oh my. Not even Knott's?

So what you're saying is that next time I'm in California we need to take an emergency trip to Six Flags?
 
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Sailor310

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The Matterhorn is just too jarring for me these days.
Space Mountain is always a long wait these days and the single rider is on and off. I'm still mad at it for breaking down on us at 3AM after waiting 2 hours. Grad Nite '77. It had just opened.
I like the smoothness of Incredicoaster. The loop, the negative G hills and the fact that the single rider line is open alot even if it gets long.
 

PiratesMansion

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The Matterhorn is just too jarring for me these days.
Space Mountain is always a long wait these days and the single rider is on and off. I'm still mad at it for breaking down on us at 3AM after waiting 2 hours. Grad Nite '77. It had just opened.
I like the smoothness of Incredicoaster. The loop, the negative G hills and the fact that the single rider line is open alot even if it gets long.
I get that. For me the actual worst factor about Genie+ vs. MaxPass was that I couldn't re-ride Space Mountain without getting back in (a probably ridiculous and prohibitive) line. I know that others had complaints about the Single Rider line, and I imagine that part of the reason Disney closed it was just because the last thing the Space Mountain grouper likely needed was another line to think about. It worked out for me the handful of times I was able to use it before it closed, but I can get why they shuttered it.

I can see the allure of the singles line on Incredicoaster even if I wouldn't be personally drawn to it.
 

mickEblu

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It's not a bad drop, but that particular ride is basically identical to any number of wild mouse coasters made by Mack (albeit tamed somewhat for Disney's sensibilities). So while good, it's not one I associate with Disney particularly.

My favorite DLR coaster drops are the big drop in the middle of Space Mountain or, even better, the dip on the Matterhorn Tomorrowland side that goes under the Fantasyland side. They're not necessarily intended to be as thrilling, but I also enjoy the dips into the water at the end of Matterhorn just because there's the unknown of potentially getting soaked (which hasn't happened to me ever but has happened to at least a few POV recorders over the years).


I suppose it's true that it was never meant to be like the mountains, but Superstar Limo was never meant to be like Pirates or Mansion and yet was judged against them anyway. To me it's a similar sort of case. It may not be a fair or equal comparison, but it most certainly happened when that ride was around

Incredicoaster is definitely "extreme" or bordering on it for the bulk of Disney's demographic, but of the roller coasters that currently exist at DLR, if you were to put all of them out in the middle of an empty field at a more conventional amusement park, Incredicoaster would easily fit better than any of the others. It's made by Intamin (a coaster manufacturer typically associated with more extreme rides) with their signature, undisguised track style, so that's immediately going to make subconscious associations in my brain, which is admittedly perhaps more of a personal problem rather than any actual fault of the ride itself. If the ride is themed, which is kind of dubious to me, its theming is/was primarily in its structure, in which case all one would need to do to adapt it for a conventional park would be to change the structure and it would instantly look right at home at a Six Flags park, where it would likely be lauded as a perfect "in between" sort of ride.

Not all of Magic Mountain's rides are extreme (ex. Goldrusher, Ninja) and arguably one of their newest rides, West Coast Racers, isn't really too far removed from something like Incredicoaster. So I think it would actually fit in just fine at a park like Magic Mountain (and it would actually fit in quite well in many more coaster parks than not, giving them an in between sort of ride they would benefit from). Here's West Coast Racers for comparison (with apologies for the awkward middle section where the train's just waiting for the next train be dispatched before the ride continues). Other than going upside down a few more times it's not doing anything dissimilar to what Incredicoaster does: multiple launches, banked turns, helices, etc.:


EDIT: I can't believe my enthusiast brain also forgot Revolution in the same park! Another ride not all that dissimilar from Incredicoaster, down to only having a single loop. Other than using specialized terrain, it's not doing anything terribly different from the DCA ride:


Oh my. Not even Knott's?

So what you're saying is that next time I'm in California we need to take an emergency trip to Six Flags?


Hahah sounds good!

No not even Knotts. Haven’t been there in 15-20 years. I’m overdue for a trip.

I do enjoy that Space drop but I wouldn’t consider it big. Can’t say I really enjoy those dips on Matterhorn. It’s too rough and I’m worried about throwing out my back.
 

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