The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

mickEblu

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So I rode TSMM and Web Slingers back to back and can definitely say TSMM is the better shooter ride for a few reasons

1. A shooter ride just works better when you are competing in head fo head competition and not on the same team. Yes, I know you can technically still compete for the higher score. TSMM sets the ride up as head to head competition where in Web Slingers we re on the same team and there to help Spider-Man. The score is kind of inconsequential and an afterthought

2. For a shooter ride with not a lot of theming TSMM does it better as it feels lighter and doesn’t take itself too seriously.

3. I’ve said this before so I won’t rehash but… the tactile component of pulling a trigger as opposed to waving your arms in the air like a madman for 5 minutes.

4. The extra motion with the spinning/ whipping ride vehicles
 

PiratesMansion

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I think I was on board with Hollywood for a hot second in regards to showcasing our differences but at some point it started feeling like they are beating us over the head with it. On Board in the sense that for a small amount of time it was a refreshing change. At what point though does it go from showcasing our differences or being different/ entertaining to trying to depict some false reality perhaps in an attempt to change reality or push an agenda? Should movies be used in that way? At what point do the oppressors become the oppressed? How many movies in a row of showcasing men as being weak and dumb? Especially the White Heterosexual Man.
There remain vast, vast numbers of movies showcasing the glories of the White Heterosexual Man in the past and even the present (Superhero movies? Fast and the Furious? 90% of romantic comedies?). They remain well-represented in the most lucrative sorts of films being made today. Even if every movie made in Hollywood, tomorrow, was changed to focus on some other group, it would take quite a long time-decades and decades-before the pendulum truly swung the other way and there were more movies depicting anyone else over white heterosexual males.

Although there are clearly Movies With An Agenda being made, by people of all skin colors, sexualities, belief systems, etc. (and there have been agenda movies made throughout all of Hollywood history, though the Hays Code and residual influences did a lot to sand off the hard edges in all American media for a long time), I do not believe that just because movies are being made with different perspectives and focusing on different groups of people that there inherently is an agenda. It IS true, however, that demographics in this country are changing, and will continue to do so. While some people may be shifting over to feed their agendas, I think the actual answer for most people is more cynical-they're just following the money. The same thing they've always done.

I do think the idiot male lead problem has been with us for longer than my own lifetime and isn't especially worse off now than in the past. Married...With Children (made before my lifetime) and The Simpsons really seemed to open the floodgates on that. But there are still plenty of resourceful males on TV and in film, as I mentioned above. I think there's a market for both types of depictions.
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There may have been stereotypes before but it was more based on what the reality was at the time with the main goal being to entertain. Not influenced by any social or political agendas.
But there were literal agendas enforced via things like the Hays Code and the National Legion of Decency for decades. This is not a quality judgment by any means-great art can be found in every era of media-but agendas were and have always been part of the equation. Every era's media is a reflection of the values and mores of the time period in which they were made, sometimes better hidden to modern eyes than others. You might find one era or depiction of values preferable to another, but agendas have driven ALL eras of media-what is depicted and how; who gets to be included and how; so on and so forth. It's always been with us and it always will be.
 
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CaptinEO

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To be honest I was surprised there wasn't a random 5 second long LGBT moment in Encanto like Disney has been awkwardly placing into all their films.

(No hate for the LGBT folks, only on a media company giving minimal effort to get 'likes' online without giving any story or plot to these characters (who are also cut out for Chinese releases)).
 

CaptinEO

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That’s a good way to put it - mix of Pop and Broadway. I’m not really into Broadway so it’s all very fresh for me. Although i guess I’ve always enjoyed Disneys take on Broadway style songs in their musicals.

Those old songs are amazing. I’m not sure you can even record songs to have that sound in the digital era.
You totally can record songs that sound that way, you can even record in analog, nothing's stopping them.
 

Notes from Neverland

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Do people think now is a good time to visit Disneyland for those who have never been? Some of the missing entertainment (World of Color, etc) seems important, but curious what others think.
 

mickEblu

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You totally can record songs that sound that way, you can even record in analog, nothing's stopping them.

Oh really? What’s the hold up? I mean they don’t see the value in creating a soundtrack with that sound that pays homage to the Golden Era with a nice 50s style chorale?
 

No Name

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How do you “fix” DCAs lack of a solid theme when two of the lands that aren’t going anywhere (Grizzly Peak and Cars Land) are at odds with each other?
I’m surprised you say those are the two at odds with each other. Why do you say so?

Sure Radiator Springs isn’t really in California (nor is it real) but it‘s distinctly west coast and represents California really well imo. Sure Grizzly Peak doesn’t have Soarin’ over California anymore but it’s still a celebration of nature in California more than anything else. Meanwhile piers can be found on both sides of the country (though none as aesthetically inconsistent as Pixar Pier) and this Marvel campus is just a generic place which could exist anywhere and only exists in CA by breaking the fourth wall. I’m clearly missing what you’re thinking.
 

mickEblu

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I’m surprised you say those are the two at odds with each other. Why do you say so?

Sure Radiator Springs isn’t really in California (nor is it real) but it‘s distinctly west coast and represents California really well imo. Sure Grizzly Peak doesn’t have Soarin’ over California anymore but it’s still a celebration of nature in California more than anything else. Meanwhile piers can be found on both sides of the country (though none as aesthetically inconsistent as Pixar Pier) and this Marvel campus is just a generic place which could exist anywhere and only exists in CA by breaking the fourth wall. I’m clearly missing what you’re thinking.

I put Grizzly Peak against Cars Land because I feel that they are both integral to DCA and yet can’t understand how they would work together harmoniously in a theme park with an actual strong theme. I don’t see them Pixaring Grizzly Peak or making Cars Land a generic Car Land.

In reality, of course I mean it all works. I was at DCA two days ago. I never thought about Cars Land when I was Grizzly Peak or vice versa. We re just talking about an ideal DCA/ theme park that has a strong theme and lands that are connected to that theme in some way.

The Pier could easily be reverted to the Paradise Pier 3.0 we never got. Hollywood can go and replaced with something better. Especially since we lost the anchor TOT and instead of getting DHS’ MMRR it went to Toontown.

Avengers Campus is a crappy Land and would only work in “Disney’s California Adventure” 2.0 because they break the 4th wall and say it’s actually at California Adventure. But I care about actual theming and world building more than I do things making sense. To get rid of Cars Land but have Avengers Campus would be ridiculous. That’s why I say it’s too late to really have this ideal Disney’s California Adventure executed well with a budget that we never got.

I guess My question is how do you make DCA NOT feel like Disneys Universal Studios when Grizzly Peak nor Cars Land either would never be rethemed. Of course it’s not impossible but it’s as improbable as it gets.
 
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CaptinEO

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Oh really? What’s the hold up? I mean they don’t see the value in creating a soundtrack with that sound that pays homage to the Golden Era with a nice 50s style chorale?
Starting with Little Mermaid "part of your world" being successful (everyone forgets theres other songs in that movie), they went all in on broadway heavy music for their films.

My major gripe with this kind of music is it can either be really impactful or fall flat. It's too much. Zippidity Doo Dah you can listen to over and over again as its not a long drawn out ballad.

The days of "Bippity Boppity Boo" "Baby Mine" and "You Can Fly" are so far from anything theyve done post Mermaid.

They could absolutely do a warm analog sounding recording with backing vocalists like the old style of music. They could also do 2D hand drawn animation, but the company isn't interested and probably wouldnt do a good job with it anyways.

Meanwhile Studio Ghibli has made the most beautiful 2D films in history throughout the last few decades (with a new hand drawn film on the way).
 

waltography

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Just came back from a very quick trip to DCA to pick up Lunar New Year merch. Was only there for two hours; knocked out RSR, Web, and Guardians in the first hour, then spent the rest of the time walking around/shopping. We got really lucky timing-wise because RSR was a walk-on at rope-drop and Web was closed for the first half hour, so we caught both with minimal wait.
 

mickEblu

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Starting with Little Mermaid "part of your world" being successful (everyone forgets theres other songs in that movie), they went all in on broadway heavy music for their films.

My major gripe with this kind of music is it can either be really impactful or fall flat. It's too much. Zippidity Doo Dah you can listen to over and over again as its not a long drawn out ballad.

The days of "Bippity Boppity Boo" "Baby Mine" and "You Can Fly" are so far from anything theyve done post Mermaid.

They could absolutely do a warm analog sounding recording with backing vocalists like the old style of music. They could also do 2D hand drawn animation, but the company isn't interested and probably wouldnt do a good job with it anyways.

Meanwhile Studio Ghibli has made the most beautiful 2D films in history throughout the last few decades (with a new hand drawn film on the way).

Disneys Broadway style songs are usually nice enough when you are hearing them while watching the movie but I don’t think Ive ever had any interest of listening to “Bonjour” while driving.
 
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mickEblu

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Just came back from a very quick trip to DCA to pick up Lunar New Year merch. Was only there for two hours; knocked out RSR, Web, and Guardians in the first hour, then spent the rest of the time walking around/shopping. We got really lucky timing-wise because RSR was a walk-on at rope-drop and Web was closed for the first half hour, so we caught both with minimal wait.

Those Red and Gold colors are very festive and uplifting aren’t they?
 

CaptinEO

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Disneys Broadway style songs are usually nice enough when you are hearing them while watching the movie but I don’t think Ive ever had any interest of listening to “Bonjour” while driving.
I have to agree with this. I REALLY have to be in the mood to hear a big show number. The more simple cartoony songs Disney used to do I can listen to at anytime.
 

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Would moving the main entrance of Disney Holywood Studios to the opposite side of the park, closer to Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge and Toy Story Land allow for greater expansion in the older parts of the park specficially Sunset, Theater of the Stars, Animation Courtyard, Echo Lake, etc?
 

No Name

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I put Grizzly Peak against Cars Land because I feel that they are both integral to DCA and yet can’t understand how they would work together harmoniously in a theme park with an actual strong theme. I don’t see them Pixaring Grizzly Peak or making Cars Land a generic Car Land.

In reality, of course I mean it all works. I was at DCA two days ago. I never thought about Cars Land when I was Grizzly Peak or vice versa. We re just talking about an ideal DCA/ theme park that has a strong theme and lands that are connected to that theme in some way.

The Pier could easily be reverted to the Paradise Pier 3.0 we never got. Hollywood can go and replaced with something better. Especially since we lost the anchor TOT and instead of getting DHS’ MMRR it went to Toontown.

Avengers Campus is a crappy Land and would only work in “Disney’s California Adventure” 2.0 because they break the 4th wall and say it’s actually at California Adventure. But I care about actual theming and world building more than I do things making sense. To get rid of Cars Land but have Avengers Campus would be ridiculous. That’s why I say it’s too late to really have this ideal Disney’s California Adventure executed well with a budget that we never got.

I guess My question is how do you make DCA NOT feel like Disneys Universal Studios when Grizzly Peak nor Cars Land either would never be rethemed. Of course it’s not impossible but it’s as improbable as it gets.
Okay I’m picking up what you’re putting down, I just don’t think the IP vs non IP difference is a huge separator. I think those two lands are the closest DCA has to a unified park, and the direction they’re currently going is junk.
 

waltography

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Those Red and Gold colors are very festive and uplifting aren’t they?
They brighten up the main corridor of the park for sure.

DCA is a great park for the festivals since it does a good job of hiding the park's structural flaws. The central spine of the park being so unthemed makes for a perfect festival corridor that integrates well into the park (unlike, say, EPCOT's festival center).
 

Suspirian

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I put Grizzly Peak against Cars Land because I feel that they are both integral to DCA and yet can’t understand how they would work together harmoniously in a theme park with an actual strong theme. I don’t see them Pixaring Grizzly Peak or making Cars Land a generic Car Land.

In reality, of course I mean it all works. I was at DCA two days ago. I never thought about Cars Land when I was Grizzly Peak or vice versa. We re just talking about an ideal DCA/ theme park that has a strong theme and lands that are connected to that theme in some way.

The Pier could easily be reverted to the Paradise Pier 3.0 we never got. Hollywood can go and replaced with something better. Especially since we lost the anchor TOT and instead of getting DHS’ MMRR it went to Toontown.

Avengers Campus is a crappy Land and would only work in “Disney’s California Adventure” 2.0 because they break the 4th wall and say it’s actually at California Adventure. But I care about actual theming and world building more than I do things making sense. To get rid of Cars Land but have Avengers Campus would be ridiculous. That’s why I say it’s too late to really have this ideal Disney’s California Adventure executed well with a budget that we never got.

I guess My question is how do you make DCA NOT feel like Disneys Universal Studios when Grizzly Peak nor Cars Land either would never be rethemed. Of course it’s not impossible but it’s as improbable as it gets.

Honestly I don't really feel that way about DCA and i think those two lands exist in the park together perfectly fine currently. I also think while Avengers Campus is aesthetically lacking its backstory of being a California located base justifies it existing in the park enough. Could use some actual placemaking though.
 

No Name

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I also think while Avengers Campus is aesthetically lacking its backstory of being a California located base justifies it existing in the park enough.
Ugh I hate that and firmly disagree. There’s nothing California about it except for the fact that they literally say it’s set in California. Heck The Avengers takes place in NYC, Spider-Man lives in NYC, which would already pretty tangental even if it was CA instead… but hey the ride exists in an old Stark Industries building that was in California! It’s such a contrived fit.
 

CaptinEO

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Do people think now is a good time to visit Disneyland for those who have never been? Some of the missing entertainment (World of Color, etc) seems important, but curious what others think.
I mean of course the missing shows are great to have. But there's so much to do at Disneyland anyways. Whoever hasn't been should visit when they have an opportunity to. You never know what life might throw at you.
 

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