The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

smooch

smooch

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BrianLo said:
Only minor quibble. Flight of Passage actually has a worse capacity and was plagued with reliability issues. Generally speaking because of the nature of the four theatres, three of them could be down and the attraction still 'open' with a capacity of like 300pph. But through the course of the day it was extremely unreliable.

I personally like both quite a bit. No doubt Pandora is way prettier, certainly befitting of Animal Kingdom. There is more to do in Galaxie's Edge and Millennium Falcon is a better attraction than River Journey. Pandora's retail is very mediocre, but I think their quick serve is better than Docking Bay.

But as you mentioned the poor reception can almost be entirely linked to not opening with its main attraction - Plus the entertainment and characters. Also the link of the only attraction that did open into Lucasfilms really only out and out flop (Solo). All of which should have been fairly repairable.

There really wasn't enough latency prior to COVID to demonstrate this in Anaheim, but Galaxies Edge seemed to have the bigger Edge in Florida. Ever since RoTR, even compared to Pandora there.
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I looked up the rider capacity and I was shocked to see that FoP has around 1,300-1,440pph and under ideal circumstances RotR has 1,700pph. I know that both rides have unreliability issues, and I didn't follow theme park numbers as much as I do now back when Pandora opened, so I never noticed if it had reliability issues at first. I know all rides do at first, they have to basically practice operating the ride in the real circumstances of being in an operating theme park instead of all the test rides they did before it was open to the public. That said, if Pandora had reliability issues and such poor capacity, why has RotR been so heavily criticized for being unreliable and why has it seemed to have had less riders than FoP? Is it because the boarding groups basically tell you you're out of luck for the day so early on, rather than having the option to go brave a huge 4 hour+ wait?

Again I haven't been to GE so I haven't had the chance to ride Smuggler's Run, but I enjoyed the Na'vi River Journey, at least more than I have seen people online have. It was a different ride experience for sure, there isn't really a story like in PoTC, it was just a quiet, peaceful boat ride through a really pretty artificial jungle. I would have preferred more animatronics and less screens, but I think it gets more hate than it deserves. The food was also fantastic at Pandora from my experience, and I have seen more praise for Pandora's food online than I have for GE's food.

And yes I know GE had more draw before the parks closed, but how much of that is due to the fact that the E-Ticket had just opened up? It's really hard to compare the two because of the boarding group process, when Pandora opened you had to brave the line in order to ride, so the land / area around it seemed more busy because of all the people in line. For RotR people don't have to physically be there while they wait, they could be in an entire other park. Because of this I think it's kind of hard to just compare the demand, would we have seen boarding groups run out for FoP when it opened the same way they were for RotR? Probably. Would we see huge standby lines for RotR if there were no boarding groups? Definitely. But I just don't remember seeing FoP getting as harshly criticized for reliability as RotR has, and thus I could never see Disney opening RotR with just a standby line because when the ride would break down and possibly remain down for extended periods of time, everyone in line is just stuck there.

I don't really know, I am honestly just stating my observations, even searching the web for articles around Pandora's opening I don't find any articles talking about how unreliable the ride was and how difficult it was to even ride the ride if you wanted to. It definitely helps that it is separated into multiple theaters so even if you did happen to have 3 of the 4 theaters down you could at least cycle a small portion of guests so the line was not stagnant until everything was back up like with RotR like you said. I wish we didn't have the parks close so close to the opening of RotR, I know the ride will remain busy for years to come, I was just curious to see how capacity and reliability were going to hopefully improve as even more time went on. I know we were seeing better days as time went on but there were still some hiccups some days as you would expect for any ride. The one thing I always found so peculiar about RotR is how early it would close in the park. I know that it was operating closer to closing than most people thought, but it was still so weird to me that the ride would need to go down early every night and some days we saw it didn't open until a little after opening after the other rides. It's just interesting to me how the whole opening of GE and specifically RotR have gone.
 
SuddenStorm

SuddenStorm

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Perhaps my favorite Disneyland TV anniversary special is the 35 anniversary one. It's just good ole' fashioned kitschy Disneyland goodness- complete with Ronald Reagan rededicating the park and Will smith rapping a rendition of 'Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious '. The Muppets and Ernest make appearances as well. Enjoy.

 
BrianLo

BrianLo

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Smooch said:
I looked up the rider capacity and I was shocked to see that FoP has around 1,300-1,440pph and under ideal circumstances RotR has 1,700pph. I know that both rides have unreliability issues, and I didn't follow theme park numbers as much as I do now back when Pandora opened, so I never noticed if it had reliability issues at first. I know all rides do at first, they have to basically practice operating the ride in the real circumstances of being in an operating theme park instead of all the test rides they did before it was open to the public. That said, if Pandora had reliability issues and such poor capacity, why has RotR been so heavily criticized for being unreliable and why has it seemed to have had less riders than FoP? Is it because the boarding groups basically tell you you're out of luck for the day so early on, rather than having the option to go brave a huge 4 hour+ wait?

Again I haven't been to GE so I haven't had the chance to ride Smuggler's Run, but I enjoyed the Na'vi River Journey, at least more than I have seen people online have. It was a different ride experience for sure, there isn't really a story like in PoTC, it was just a quiet, peaceful boat ride through a really pretty artificial jungle. I would have preferred more animatronics and less screens, but I think it gets more hate than it deserves. The food was also fantastic at Pandora from my experience, and I have seen more praise for Pandora's food online than I have for GE's food.

And yes I know GE had more draw before the parks closed, but how much of that is due to the fact that the E-Ticket had just opened up? It's really hard to compare the two because of the boarding group process, when Pandora opened you had to brave the line in order to ride, so the land / area around it seemed more busy because of all the people in line. For RotR people don't have to physically be there while they wait, they could be in an entire other park. Because of this I think it's kind of hard to just compare the demand, would we have seen boarding groups run out for FoP when it opened the same way they were for RotR? Probably. Would we see huge standby lines for RotR if there were no boarding groups? Definitely. But I just don't remember seeing FoP getting as harshly criticized for reliability as RotR has, and thus I could never see Disney opening RotR with just a standby line because when the ride would break down and possibly remain down for extended periods of time, everyone in line is just stuck there.

I don't really know, I am honestly just stating my observations, even searching the web for articles around Pandora's opening I don't find any articles talking about how unreliable the ride was and how difficult it was to even ride the ride if you wanted to. It definitely helps that it is separated into multiple theaters so even if you did happen to have 3 of the 4 theaters down you could at least cycle a small portion of guests so the line was not stagnant until everything was back up like with RotR like you said. I wish we didn't have the parks close so close to the opening of RotR, I know the ride will remain busy for years to come, I was just curious to see how capacity and reliability were going to hopefully improve as even more time went on. I know we were seeing better days as time went on but there were still some hiccups some days as you would expect for any ride. The one thing I always found so peculiar about RotR is how early it would close in the park. I know that it was operating closer to closing than most people thought, but it was still so weird to me that the ride would need to go down early every night and some days we saw it didn't open until a little after opening after the other rides. It's just interesting to me how the whole opening of GE and specifically RotR have gone.
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The difference was having a standby line. Everyone just stood in 4 hour standby. Didn’t get as self righteous that they had to wake up first thing to not spend the majority of the afternoon in a line. To each their own.

Flight of Passage capacity was equally contentious at the time here on the board. It’s still incredibly difficult to secure fast pass and otherwise requires a multi-hour wait or early AM arrival to this day.

I also haven’t been on RoTR, but I think there is a recency bias when there are these types of issues.
 
Darkbeer1

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My day was cleaning, laundry, gardening, a trip to Harbor Freight to get a shovel and a few other things, eating Wendy's with my Wife in their parking lot, walking up and down Katella in Cypress (parked in the COSTCO lot), then headed to the Corporate Park area, large wide sidewalks with very few driveways or traffic lights, and nobody around, decent about of trees. (Good for using my UpWalker). The Aldi for Eggs (Plenty of Toilet Paper and Paper Towels available). And finally Olive Garden to go for dinner. Then watering, more laundry and taking the trash out.
 
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Sailor310

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'That other site' mentioned that you can get churros from the company that supplies DL, Dole Whip mix, and Mickey ice cream bars and sandwiches. I wanted some DL nostalgia, so I have MIckey ice cream bars in the order at Ralph's that I'm picking up tomorrow. I don't generally eat the bars at DL, but, heck, if I can have a little experience of the park at home...
 
Practical Pig

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Sailor310 said:
'That other site' mentioned that you can get churros from the company that supplies DL, Dole Whip mix, and Mickey ice cream bars and sandwiches. I wanted some DL nostalgia, so I have MIckey ice cream bars in the order at Ralph's that I'm picking up tomorrow. I don't generally eat the bars at DL, but, heck, if I can have a little experience of the park at home...
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A local restaurant supply store stocks the Dole Whip mix. I wonder if Dole Whip is considered "essential?"

I imagine they could use the business now.
 
smooch

smooch

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Sailor310 said:
'That other site' mentioned that you can get churros from the company that supplies DL, Dole Whip mix, and Mickey ice cream bars and sandwiches. I wanted some DL nostalgia, so I have MIckey ice cream bars in the order at Ralph's that I'm picking up tomorrow. I don't generally eat the bars at DL, but, heck, if I can have a little experience of the park at home...
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I've gotten the churros from the company that supplies Disney, they were definitely tasty but still tasted a little different, obviously just because preparing it at home is different than how they prepare them in the carts. I haven't found Dole Whip mix but I have gotten the Mickey Ice Cream Bars in the past few weeks! I don't usually get them at the parks because of all the other treats I like to have there but I really enjoyed having a Mickey Bar while scrolling the forum and playing the Main Street music loop.
 
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Sailor310

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Practical Pig said:
A local restaurant supply store stocks the Dole Whip mix. I wonder if Dole Whip is considered "essential?"

I imagine they could use the business now.
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When I saw the Dole Whip mix ($34 for 4.4lb bag). It really got me thinking. I spent a long time looking at ice cream makers. For like $35 one can get a pretty good maker. I love to get Dole Whips at the park.
 
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smooch

smooch

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Sailor310 said:
When I saw the Dole Whip mix ($34 for 4.4lb bag). It really got me thinking. I spent a long time looking at ice cream makers. For like $35 one can get a pretty good maker.
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My dad has an ice cream maker he hasn't used in a while, I should get it out and see if it still works and if so I definitely need to look into finding the Dole Whip mix! Maybe I can see about making a Dole Whip with rum like I've seen pictures of on Instagram and such...
 
SuddenStorm

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Sailor310 said:
When I saw the Dole Whip mix ($34 for 4.4lb bag). It really got me thinking. I spent a long time looking at ice cream makers. For like $35 one can get a pretty good maker. I love to get Dole Whips at the park.
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I bought one of the Dole Whip bags, and already had a nice Cuisinart Ice Cream maker.... It's well worth the purchase.

If you go for it I recommend using whole milk instead of water. Far creamier and tastier than what's sold in the park- I won't buy the park stuff any more cause of it.
 
Phroobar

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SuddenStorm said:
I bought one of the Dole Whip bags, and already had a nice Cuisinart Ice Cream maker.... It's well worth the purchase.

If you go for it I recommend using whole milk instead of water. Far creamier and tastier than what's sold in the park- I won't buy the park stuff any more cause of it.
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Totally agree. We bought a bag from amazon and it came right away. They must consider dole whip to be essential. It is best with milk.
 
Communicora

Communicora

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SuddenStorm said:
I bought one of the Dole Whip bags, and already had a nice Cuisinart Ice Cream maker.... It's well worth the purchase.

If you go for it I recommend using whole milk instead of water. Far creamier and tastier than what's sold in the park- I won't buy the park stuff any more cause of it.
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🤢 I love that it is non-dairy! You can keep your milk.
 

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