The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

[Stevek]

The lands that are rumored (all but confirmed really) are Super Nintendo World, Fantastic Beasts, Universal Classic Monsters, amd How to Train Your Dragon. Theres other attractions in the hub and elsewhere but I haven’t seen what those are. Very strange layout for a park tbh.

Fantastic Beasts and maybe Nintendo are really the only things that interest me. That being said, good more the market as hopefully increased competition will drive Disney to continuously improve.

 

[Suspirian]

Fantastic Beasts and maybe Nintendo are really the only things that interest me. That being said, good more the market as hopefully increased competition will drive Disney to continuously improve.

I’m a big horror fan so I’m really interested to see what they're doing with the Classic Monsters. Nintendo should be fun as well.

 

[No Name]

Considering his track record (which is probably a better way to base our prediction than wild guesses) it’s much more likely that EPCOT would have been a huge success.

Making movies and building theme parks is slightly simpler than creating and running a high-tech city of the future. Attracting people to move to a brand new location and monetizing them through their homes is different than selling tickets. I like your optimism but I’m not sure his track record really applies here.

I love when "what if" historians claim Walt would have run his whole company into the ground eventually. I mean, just look at how many times he swung for the fences and missed!

There are plenty of examples in history of people/entities that were very successful before they took one huge risk that ended them. I’m a big fan of taking risks but EPCOT was absolutely a huge risk. If it wasn’t then Roy and his successors would’ve gone forward with it.

 

[Mac Tonight]

Making movies and building theme parks is slightly simpler than creating and running a high-tech city of the future. I like your optimism but I’m not sure his track record really applies here. Attracting people to move to a brand new location and monetizing them through their homes is different than selling tickets.


There are plenty of examples in history of people/entities that were very successful before they took one huge risk that ended them. I’m a big fan of taking risks but EPCOT was absolutely a huge risk. If it wasn’t then Roy and his successors would’ve gone forward with it.

Or, they were too shaken with Walt's passing to feel like they'd have done it justice. I'm sure there were a lot of moving pieces only Walt had vision on that they didn't feel confident enough to get going. But I'm glad you brought up Roy and others, because its not as though they would have all sat back and just let Walt bankrupt the company just to fund his EPCOT project.

 

[Stevek]

Oh boy! Another nondescript theme park in Universal not bound or governed by any rules, thus giving it nothing unique beside its selection of attractions which could easily be interchanged with other Universal parks! Get excited!

Yeah, their parks are all very generic with no real theme to differentiate. Really, this is just another park where they can utilize some additional IP that they no longer have space to put in the existing parks. They will now have 3 parks with Potter based areas.

 

[TROR]

I don't disagree with what Joe Rhode says, but I don't think he's ever properly applied those ideas into a theme park. Would a doorknob in a jungle have rust on it? Very likely. Do I want to see a rusty doorknob when I'm paying $100 to visit a theme park? No.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I’m a big horror fan so I’m really interested to see what they're doing with the Classic Monsters. Nintendo should be fun as well.

That's a huge deal for me. Can't wait to see what they do with it.

 

[Mac Tonight]

I’m a big horror fan so I’m really interested to see what they're doing with the Classic Monsters. Nintendo should be fun as well.

I will admit that this interests me too as a horror buff.

 

[Phroobar]

Oh I don’t doubt it. Just speaking for myself (the TOT ambassador of the DL forum) since I brought up the original miscellaneous thought that kicked off a few TOT v. MB posts.

Anyway I don’t think any of the complainers on that particular subject from 2004 are on these forums right now. The most vocal people against MB on this forum are younger people who grew up with DCAs TOT.

Your probably right.

 

[Phroobar]

Yeah, their parks are all very generic with no real theme to differentiate. Really, this is just another park where they can utilize some additional IP that they no longer have space to put in the existing parks. They will now have 3 parks with Potter based areas.

What it does mean is Disney will freak out and build Florida another park.

 

[Disney Irish]

What it does mean is Disney will freak out and build Florida another park.

I'm still doubtful on that, at least in the short term (1-4 yrs). Maybe for the 100th anniversary they announce something, which isn't saying much since its only 4 years away. It just so happens to also be a D23 year too....

But I doubt anything before then.

 

[Phroobar]

I'm still doubtful on that, at least in the short term (1-4 yrs). Maybe for the 100th anniversary they announce something, which isn't saying much since its only 4 years away. It just so happens to also be a D23 year too....

But I doubt anything before then.

It does take 4-6 years to design and finally start building a new park. If Universal goes though with this, I bet Disney will follow suit with something identical. I would love to see a land based on the classic Universal Monsters. I wish the Dark Cinematic Universe didn't crash and burn. Thanks Cruise.

 

[Disney Irish]

It does take 4-6 years to design and finally start building a new park. If Universal goes though with this, I bet Disney will follow suit with something identical. I would love to see a land based on the classic Universal Monsters. I wish the Dark Cinematic Universe didn't crash and burn. Thanks Cruise.

It was dying long before Cruise.

 

[Phroobar]

It was dying long before Cruise.

Wasn't The Mummy the first in that series? or was it Dracula Untold?

 

[Disney Irish]

Wasn't The Mummy the first in that series? or was it Dracula Untold?

It was Dracula Untold, which was a mediocre movie at best. It was retconned to be the first movie, similar to how The Incredible Hulk was retconned to the MCU.

Which is why I said it was dying long before Cruise ever kissed a mummy.

They should have built upon Fraser's mummy series, it was a lot better.

 

[lazyboy97o]

There are plenty of examples in history of people/entities that were very successful before they took one huge risk that ended them. I’m a big fan of taking risks but EPCOT was absolutely a huge risk. If it wasn’t then Roy and his successors would’ve gone forward with it.

Roy was never really excited about diversifying and his son would stage a coup built entirely around reducing the company to just the performance of the Studio.

 

[Mac Tonight]

It was Dracula Untold, which was a mediocre movie at best. It was retconned to be the first movie, similar to how The Incredible Hulk was retconned to the MCU.

Which is why I said it was dying long before Cruise ever kissed a mummy.

They should have built upon Fraser's mummy series, it was a lot better.

When was it retconned in? This quote comes from a Digital Spy article in 2018.

"Though Universal released Dracula Untold in 2014, originally planning it as the first film in the Universal monsters reboot, it was critically mauled. So the studio started again. The Mummy, starring Tom Cruise and Sofia Boutella and directed by Alex Kurtzman, is now officially the first title in the Dark Universe."

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

 

[Disney Irish]

When was it retconned in? This quote comes from a Digital Spy article in 2018.

"Though Universal released Dracula Untold in 2014, originally planning it as the first film in the Universal monsters reboot, it was critically mauled. So the studio started again. The Mummy, starring Tom Cruise and Sofia Boutella and directed by Alex Kurtzman, is now officially the first title in the Dark Universe."

Ultimately this is my point. They added it, then took it out when it didn’t perform as expected. And then rebooted again. Their Dark Universe was dead before Cruise’s Mummy started because just like a lot of stuff at Universal it was mismanaged.

 

[Mac Tonight]

Ultimately this is my point. They added it, then took it out when it didn’t perform as expected. And then rebooted again. Their Dark Universe was dead before Cruise’s Mummy started because just like a lot of stuff at Universal it was mismanaged.

OK. For me though I guess I wouldn’t consider it “dead” before the Mummy was released since they were all gung-ho about it leading up to that point. Even shooting publicity shots with Johnny Depp, Javier Bardem, etc. I think once the Mummy proved to be a dud they reconsidered their approach and pulled the plug.

Though a non-shared universe take on The Invisible Man is still on its way.