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The Miscellaneous Thought Thread
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SuddenStorm
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When I see old menus, old maps, old shirts, heck- even old napkins that were used in Disneyland it piques my interest and is fascinating.
Everything about old Disneyland is cool, it's history. Even a kid's menu from the Bayou.
In 50 years, do we think people are gonna look at 2019 Disneyland Resort stuff like that? Part of me doubts it. It's too cheap. Too bland. To corporate. Too 'pixie dust". I don't see Rose Gold ears being a collector's piece 50 years from now.
Everything about old Disneyland is cool, it's history. Even a kid's menu from the Bayou.
In 50 years, do we think people are gonna look at 2019 Disneyland Resort stuff like that? Part of me doubts it. It's too cheap. Too bland. To corporate. Too 'pixie dust". I don't see Rose Gold ears being a collector's piece 50 years from now.
Darkbeer1
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For the SoCal folks.....
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Kram Sacul
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- In the Parks
- Yes
Collector popcorn buckets are timeless.
Anjin
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My mother-in-law, knowing I'm a Disneyland fan, gifted me a copy of Eat Like Walt, a book I'd never heard of before by Marcy Carriker Smothers. It's full of great pictures of various eateries and menus from the park (as well as a regrettable-in-retrospect foreword from John Lasseter).
SuddenStorm
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I often see criticism of the modern park chalked up to simply 'nostalgia'.
Yes, this is definitely true. There are things I miss- hand stamps for example- that are purely because of nostalgia.
But I wonder if it's less nostalgia than we think, and more simply because the park was better up until August of 1995 when the Peoplemover closed and the Tomorrowland overhaul began. I think the park was at it's peak for the 5 months between IJA's open and PM's closing.
I've been listening too as many interviews with old CM's as I could, and have read a few books. A common theme is that in the '90s maintenance and service took a huge downward trend. In many ways, I think Disney talking about their quality of service now is pure lip service- Disneyland's quality of service is no better than your local Outback or In N Out.
Just looking at quality and variety of merchandise and shops. Quality of cast members and service. Pricing. Maintenance. Quality of management and Imagineer.
Seeing the upgrades throughout the park we've seen over the last few years is promising, even if I don't think they were all thought out super well.
Tomorrowland's overhaul is going to be the redo that set's the stage for the next 50 years. Will Disneyland embrace it's roots and give something new, unique, charming, and faithful to Disneyland and Tomorrowland's mythology? Or are they going to Batuuify it and make a stunning land, but a land that's not 'Disneyland'?
Yes, this is definitely true. There are things I miss- hand stamps for example- that are purely because of nostalgia.
But I wonder if it's less nostalgia than we think, and more simply because the park was better up until August of 1995 when the Peoplemover closed and the Tomorrowland overhaul began. I think the park was at it's peak for the 5 months between IJA's open and PM's closing.
I've been listening too as many interviews with old CM's as I could, and have read a few books. A common theme is that in the '90s maintenance and service took a huge downward trend. In many ways, I think Disney talking about their quality of service now is pure lip service- Disneyland's quality of service is no better than your local Outback or In N Out.
Just looking at quality and variety of merchandise and shops. Quality of cast members and service. Pricing. Maintenance. Quality of management and Imagineer.
Seeing the upgrades throughout the park we've seen over the last few years is promising, even if I don't think they were all thought out super well.
Tomorrowland's overhaul is going to be the redo that set's the stage for the next 50 years. Will Disneyland embrace it's roots and give something new, unique, charming, and faithful to Disneyland and Tomorrowland's mythology? Or are they going to Batuuify it and make a stunning land, but a land that's not 'Disneyland'?
Darkbeer1
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Don't get me started on the reductions in Maintenance and service.
Something both Al Lutz and I pushed at Mice Age. And trust me, the amount of CM's that would contact us about the issues. Well, I found out that a decent amount of CM's truly cared, and we did our best. Some of the things that got done just because I wrote about it and showed pictures of the problem. It was somewhat amazing what shining a light on something did.
But I remember the old standard of keeping track of each light bulb and changing them before they reached the end of their expected life, to ensure they all worked.
www.latimes.com
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Walt Disney himself led early efforts, insisting that attractions, gates and benches be repainted on schedule, even if a touch-up would suffice. He made sure light bulbs were replaced even before they burned out and trash cans were emptied before they were full.
“When I started on Disneyland, my wife used to say, ‘But why do you want to build an amusement park? They’re so dirty.’ I told her that was just the point; mine wouldn’t be,” the founder said at the time.
Longtime park fans say Disneyland hasn’t always sparkled. In the mid-1990s, they say, park managers turned away from Disney’s emphasis on cleanliness to save on maintenance costs. “For 10 years or so, it was horrible,” said Al Lutz, founder of MiceAge, a fan website. “That wasn’t Disneyland.”<<
Something both Al Lutz and I pushed at Mice Age. And trust me, the amount of CM's that would contact us about the issues. Well, I found out that a decent amount of CM's truly cared, and we did our best. Some of the things that got done just because I wrote about it and showed pictures of the problem. It was somewhat amazing what shining a light on something did.
But I remember the old standard of keeping track of each light bulb and changing them before they reached the end of their expected life, to ensure they all worked.
After dark, the dirty work at Disneyland begins
A crew of 600 custodians, painters, gardeners and decorators works 365 nights a year to ensure that the 85-acre park meets Walt Disney’s squeaky-clean ideals.
www.latimes.com
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Walt Disney himself led early efforts, insisting that attractions, gates and benches be repainted on schedule, even if a touch-up would suffice. He made sure light bulbs were replaced even before they burned out and trash cans were emptied before they were full.
“When I started on Disneyland, my wife used to say, ‘But why do you want to build an amusement park? They’re so dirty.’ I told her that was just the point; mine wouldn’t be,” the founder said at the time.
Longtime park fans say Disneyland hasn’t always sparkled. In the mid-1990s, they say, park managers turned away from Disney’s emphasis on cleanliness to save on maintenance costs. “For 10 years or so, it was horrible,” said Al Lutz, founder of MiceAge, a fan website. “That wasn’t Disneyland.”<<
Rich T
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CGI Overuse and the Death of Artistry:
I have no desire to see the Lion King photo-real remake. I'm a Disney fan because I love Disney animator's art styles.
I fell in love with Star Wars in 1977 because of its cleverness. All those model-makers, costume designers, matte painters and makeup artists created an entire universe that actually *looked* hand-made yet believable. The artistry was part of the appeal. People sat through the credits and marveled at how many artists and craftsman worked together to pull it off.
Now that it's nearly all CGI... a lot of that magic is gone. We used to wonder "How did they do that?" and then appreciate the artists' brilliance when we eventually found out how it was done. Now the answer is the same for nearly everything: "Computers."
Don't get me wrong, I love CGI and motion-capture when it shows me something I've never seen before-- Something interesting, full of character, artistry and style in service of a great story. Polar Express is one of my favorite films.
Watched the Cats movie trailer again, then looked at a few scenes from the filmed stage production video that was released a while back. Night and day. The stage costumes and makeup are imaginative, colorful, clever and full of character. They're fun to look at. The movie version's CGI isn't the worst thing I've ever seen, but it lacks all the charm of the stage show and replaces it with something far less appealing. I think it says something that the cats who are wearing clothes in the trailer (Mistopheles, Buster, Gus, McCavity, Grizzabella) look far better than the Cats wearing nothing but CGI fur.
Why use CGI to make something that looks less interesting than costumes, makeup, practical sets or hand-drawn art?
I'm not calling the Cats movie a disaster this early--it could still work. I am, however, looking forward to the spin-off much more:
I have no desire to see the Lion King photo-real remake. I'm a Disney fan because I love Disney animator's art styles.
I fell in love with Star Wars in 1977 because of its cleverness. All those model-makers, costume designers, matte painters and makeup artists created an entire universe that actually *looked* hand-made yet believable. The artistry was part of the appeal. People sat through the credits and marveled at how many artists and craftsman worked together to pull it off.
Now that it's nearly all CGI... a lot of that magic is gone. We used to wonder "How did they do that?" and then appreciate the artists' brilliance when we eventually found out how it was done. Now the answer is the same for nearly everything: "Computers."
Don't get me wrong, I love CGI and motion-capture when it shows me something I've never seen before-- Something interesting, full of character, artistry and style in service of a great story. Polar Express is one of my favorite films.
Watched the Cats movie trailer again, then looked at a few scenes from the filmed stage production video that was released a while back. Night and day. The stage costumes and makeup are imaginative, colorful, clever and full of character. They're fun to look at. The movie version's CGI isn't the worst thing I've ever seen, but it lacks all the charm of the stage show and replaces it with something far less appealing. I think it says something that the cats who are wearing clothes in the trailer (Mistopheles, Buster, Gus, McCavity, Grizzabella) look far better than the Cats wearing nothing but CGI fur.
Why use CGI to make something that looks less interesting than costumes, makeup, practical sets or hand-drawn art?
I'm not calling the Cats movie a disaster this early--it could still work. I am, however, looking forward to the spin-off much more:
Rich T
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No. Unless it's Carol Burnette wearing a curtain rod.
Model3 McQueen
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- No
Is anyone else excited for the Casino DLC introduced to GTAO this morning? I'm thinking about leaving work early, using the excuse that i'm "sick".
Oh wait.. do the posts on here need to be related to Disneyland? If so, do you think Walt would've incorporated elements from GTA into his parks, had video games existed at the time?
Oh wait.. do the posts on here need to be related to Disneyland? If so, do you think Walt would've incorporated elements from GTA into his parks, had video games existed at the time?
Rich T
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I know it's a well-done game, but I don't play GTA. I just don't enjoy games that glorify criminals or games where the player "kills" human characters in a modern setting. I'd rather spend my game time in games that focus on more positive things. Nothing against GTA players, and I know the GTA games are over-the-top and not meant to be taken seriously; it's just not for me at all. And, no, Walt would not have GTA in Disneyland.
Crash Team Racing Nitro-Fueled, however...
Model3 McQueen
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- No
I know it's a well-done game, but I don't play GTA. I just don't enjoy games that glorify criminals or games where the player "kills" human characters in a modern setting. I'd rather spend my game time in games that focus on more positive things. Nothing against GTA players, and I know the GTA games are over-the-top and not meant to be taken seriously; it's just not for me at all. And, no, Walt would not have GTA in Disneyland.
Oh man i'd fall in love with Disney all over again if they had a land based on Spyro or Crash Bandicoot. Those were my childhood, and thankfully they've been brought back as remastered masterpieces! WHY HASN'T THIS LAND HAPPENED YET
I see what you're saying 100%. GTA is nasty. But darn if it isn't fun
Phroobar
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Walt had soldiers killing Indians as they attacked the fort. He had a dead white settler with an arrow in his back.I know it's a well-done game, but I don't play GTA. I just don't enjoy games that glorify criminals or games where the player "kills" human characters in a modern setting. I'd rather spend my game time in games that focus on more positive things. Nothing against GTA players, and I know the GTA games are over-the-top and not meant to be taken seriously; it's just not for me at all. And, no, Walt would not have GTA in Disneyland.
TROR
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Bring this back. We need more real world history in the parks.
Rich T
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I said I don't like games where you (the player) kill humans in a modern setting, and I'm sure Walt would draw the line there, too.
In English please
Phroobar
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So it's ok to kill humans in a historical western setting with shot guns from a tower in a fort?I said I don't like games where you (the player) kill humans in a modern setting, and I'm sure Walt would draw the line there, too.
Model3 McQueen
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- No