The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

SuddenStorm

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So, a family friend of mine is an executive at Universal Studios Hollywood. I hadn't seen him in a few years, but back in my teen years we would often talk theme parks.

During our brief interaction a few weeks ago, I basically said that it really felt like Universal Studios was in a renaissance, while Disney seems to be trying to find their footing.

He laughed, talked about how Universal basically dictated the direction of the industry with Harry Potter (which directly played into Galaxy's Edge) and now with their new park in Orlando. He then said that internally, their mantra has been "Don't do what Disney is doing" for the last few years.

I think if you had asked anyone if they though Universal had a chance at catching up to Disney 15 years ago, they would have laughed. But now? It's a different story.

Disney has made it a habit to reduce the guest experience since covid, all while raising prices.

You want to book a one day one park to Disneyland? Too bad, it's full- but they'll still let you buy a park hopper with Disneyland as the starting park. That's not hospitality.

Once you're there, parking is the most expensive it's been- but the security stations are often backed up. They don't even have trays for your pocket items anymore.

Fastpass, a once free perk? That's gonna be an extra $30 per person if you don't want to wait in artificially inflated wait times.

And don't even bother trying to order food at the register. They'll only have one open, and the line will be backed up. You have to download their app and schedule a time to get food. That also costs the most it ever has, all while the portion sizes continue to shrink. Thanks Christine!

But then while you're on that ride you paid extra for, it's unmaintained and staffed by grumpy CM's.


My point is- Disney has to get back on track or their foothold as the leader in themed entertainment is going to crumble in the next 15 years.
 

mickEblu

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So, a family friend of mine is an executive at Universal Studios Hollywood. I hadn't seen him in a few years, but back in my teen years we would often talk theme parks.

During our brief interaction a few weeks ago, I basically said that it really felt like Universal Studios was in a renaissance, while Disney seems to be trying to find their footing.

He laughed, talked about how Universal basically dictated the direction of the industry with Harry Potter (which directly played into Galaxy's Edge) and now with their new park in Orlando. He then said that internally, their mantra has been "Don't do what Disney is doing" for the last few years.

I think if you had asked anyone if they though Universal had a chance at catching up to Disney 15 years ago, they would have laughed. But now? It's a different story.

Disney has made it a habit to reduce the guest experience since covid, all while raising prices.

You want to book a one day one park to Disneyland? Too bad, it's full- but they'll still let you buy a park hopper with Disneyland as the starting park. That's not hospitality.

Once you're there, parking is the most expensive it's been- but the security stations are often backed up. They don't even have trays for your pocket items anymore.

Fastpass, a once free perk? That's gonna be an extra $30 per person if you don't want to wait in artificially inflated wait times.

And don't even bother trying to order food at the register. They'll only have one open, and the line will be backed up. You have to download their app and schedule a time to get food. That also costs the most it ever has, all while the portion sizes continue to shrink. Thanks Christine!

But then while you're on that ride you paid extra for, it's unmaintained and staffed by grumpy CM's.


My point is- Disney has to get back on track or their foothold as the leader in themed entertainment is going to crumble in the next 15 years.

I think the park hopper being available but not the single park ticket example is the most egregious because it’s so obvious that it’s dirty. “We have space for you today but only if you give us another $80.”
 

Disney Analyst

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So, a family friend of mine is an executive at Universal Studios Hollywood. I hadn't seen him in a few years, but back in my teen years we would often talk theme parks.

During our brief interaction a few weeks ago, I basically said that it really felt like Universal Studios was in a renaissance, while Disney seems to be trying to find their footing.

He laughed, talked about how Universal basically dictated the direction of the industry with Harry Potter (which directly played into Galaxy's Edge) and now with their new park in Orlando. He then said that internally, their mantra has been "Don't do what Disney is doing" for the last few years.

I think if you had asked anyone if they though Universal had a chance at catching up to Disney 15 years ago, they would have laughed. But now? It's a different story.

Disney has made it a habit to reduce the guest experience since covid, all while raising prices.

You want to book a one day one park to Disneyland? Too bad, it's full- but they'll still let you buy a park hopper with Disneyland as the starting park. That's not hospitality.

Once you're there, parking is the most expensive it's been- but the security stations are often backed up. They don't even have trays for your pocket items anymore.

Fastpass, a once free perk? That's gonna be an extra $30 per person if you don't want to wait in artificially inflated wait times.

And don't even bother trying to order food at the register. They'll only have one open, and the line will be backed up. You have to download their app and schedule a time to get food. That also costs the most it ever has, all while the portion sizes continue to shrink. Thanks Christine!

But then while you're on that ride you paid extra for, it's unmaintained and staffed by grumpy CM's.


My point is- Disney has to get back on track or their foothold as the leader in themed entertainment is going to crumble in the next 15 years.

Next time you see him, inquire about this please.

 

SuddenStorm

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Next time you see him, inquire about this please.


It's always heartbreaking to hear about employees struggling to make it.

Each of the employees mentioned in the article are multi year park veterans- if they aren't making ends meet at Universal I'd strongly recommend they leave the park and find higher paying employment elsewhere. Or work towards getting promoted within the company.

The side effect being, if Universal struggles staffing at their current pay rates they'll be forced to raise them.
 

MoonRakerSCM

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He laughed, talked about how Universal basically dictated the direction of the industry with Harry Potter (which directly played into Galaxy's Edge) and now with their new park in Orlando. He then said that internally, their mantra has been "Don't do what Disney is doing" for the last few years.
Disney has been playing catch up with Universal and it shows. The reason Star Wars Land is lackluster is because instead of being creative and naturally creating something, they were trying to 'beat Harry Potter Land'.

Disney has made it a habit to reduce the guest experience since covid, all while raising prices.
Before covid, my social group was 6 people devoted to the parks on both coasts and runs. We were at Dland almost every Friday. We did almost all the west coast runs and started doing the WDW runs. The social group is now down to 2 people with passes (they just renewed, I did not) and no one does the runs anymore (3 of us just did the coast to coast and we're good). The blatant reduction of the guest experience while insanely raising prices is inexcusable.

You want to book a one day one park to Disneyland? Too bad, it's full- but they'll still let you buy a park hopper with Disneyland as the starting park. That's not hospitality.
It is so blatant it's stupid. Directly flipping off the guests (and passholders).

Once you're there, parking is the most expensive it's been- but the security stations are often backed up. They don't even have trays for your pocket items anymore.
The entire arrival/departure experience is a joke. If you come in the afternoon, good luck... we've been lead onto a floor before that has no open parking spaces... and encountered backed up security lines that take 15-20 minutes to get through. Then tram service that seemingly has no clue what the heck it's doing.

The no trays for pocket items frustrates me to no end... WHY? NO OTHER place does that. Put the damned trays back!

Fastpass, a once free perk? That's gonna be an extra $30 per person if you don't want to wait in artificially inflated wait times.
During the coast to coast trips in January just now, we gave in and payed the money to bypass the artificially inflated wait times. Last time at Animal Kingdom, we got in line for the Avatar boat ride and watched as they let through 30-40 lighting lanes to 3-5 normal guests the entire time. People were yelling at the CMs. Disney has created a disgusting system while grinning at themselves for profiting off of it.

And don't even bother trying to order food at the register. They'll only have one open, and the line will be backed up. You have to download their app and schedule a time to get food. That also costs the most it ever has, all while the portion sizes continue to shrink. Thanks Christine!
Again, at WDW, we encountered restaurants with CMs out front saying you had to order online, we said we don't have phones and she warned us it was a 30 minute wait to even order inside. We said we don't care and went on it... there was NO ONE in line. Disney lying for some ungodly reason to get people to mobile order. I've encountered similar situations during other meals as well. They've messed up their food system and made it horrible. Food quality at Dland is downright atrocious... and the prices are up. I used to not care paying for a meal at Dland for dinner as the quality was... ok. Now though, it's too far gone and not worth it.

But then while you're on that ride you paid extra for, it's unmaintained and staffed by grumpy CM's.
I've been noticing overall more recently that the CMs have been a bit better... not as grumpy and actually pleasant... but there are still some groups of them who don't give a crap and visually hate everything and everyone there. Of note, WDW was noticeably great this most recent trip and everyone was great, better than Dland peeps I've recently encountered. Had a guy at Oga's that was poor service, rude, and made a horrible impression of the place to a first timer.

My point is- Disney has to get back on track or their foothold as the leader in themed entertainment is going to crumble in the next 15 years.
My two best friends who were Disney FANATICS (paintings on almost every wall in their house, would go to see every single movie with me in the theatres etc.) are done. They do the cruises, but no more passes, have refused to see the recent movies, dropped Disney plus etc.

My sister and I commented that after this past coast to coast trip, we're good for a while. My pass just expired, and we both agreed that our next trip to WDW will be when Universal opens. We'll be going for that, and then spend a couple of days at Epcot and Animal Kingdom afterward.

Universal is controlling our theme park experience now, not Disney.
 

MoonRakerSCM

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Now then, having just said all that... I was suddenly invited and reserved a spot at dinner tomorrow night at Jazz Kitchen in DTD for fat tuesday. I have seen the absolutely despicable re-theme from the outside... I will happily report back after tomorrow night on how the interior, service, and food is. I've had many a fun fat tuesdays there in the past...

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LittleBuford

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But I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on these guys? Keep them working for the task they were bred for, or send 'em to the glue factory and pave over the tracks?

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The glue factory? I assume you’re being intentionally hyperbolic and jocular in suggesting that that’s the only alternative to keeping them working.

Unsurprisingly in view of my posts, I would prefer to see these horses retired. The tracks can stay—they add a nice authentic detail.
 

lazyboy97o

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So, a family friend of mine is an executive at Universal Studios Hollywood. I hadn't seen him in a few years, but back in my teen years we would often talk theme parks.

During our brief interaction a few weeks ago, I basically said that it really felt like Universal Studios was in a renaissance, while Disney seems to be trying to find their footing.

He laughed, talked about how Universal basically dictated the direction of the industry with Harry Potter (which directly played into Galaxy's Edge) and now with their new park in Orlando. He then said that internally, their mantra has been "Don't do what Disney is doing" for the last few years.

I think if you had asked anyone if they though Universal had a chance at catching up to Disney 15 years ago, they would have laughed. But now? It's a different story.

Disney has made it a habit to reduce the guest experience since covid, all while raising prices.

You want to book a one day one park to Disneyland? Too bad, it's full- but they'll still let you buy a park hopper with Disneyland as the starting park. That's not hospitality.

Once you're there, parking is the most expensive it's been- but the security stations are often backed up. They don't even have trays for your pocket items anymore.

Fastpass, a once free perk? That's gonna be an extra $30 per person if you don't want to wait in artificially inflated wait times.

And don't even bother trying to order food at the register. They'll only have one open, and the line will be backed up. You have to download their app and schedule a time to get food. That also costs the most it ever has, all while the portion sizes continue to shrink. Thanks Christine!

But then while you're on that ride you paid extra for, it's unmaintained and staffed by grumpy CM's.


My point is- Disney has to get back on track or their foothold as the leader in themed entertainment is going to crumble in the next 15 years.
Express Pass was called Express Pass Plus for years because Express Pass was a free FastPass copy that Universal turned into a paid system.

Universal isn’t just closing registers, they’re not even building them. Universal sees mobile order as the present and future of quick service. There current model doesn’t even have a register readily open, you have to beg and plead and at least try the app first if you want to order at the register.
 

mickEblu

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So, a family friend of mine is an executive at Universal Studios Hollywood. I hadn't seen him in a few years, but back in my teen years we would often talk theme parks.

During our brief interaction a few weeks ago, I basically said that it really felt like Universal Studios was in a renaissance, while Disney seems to be trying to find their footing.

He laughed, talked about how Universal basically dictated the direction of the industry with Harry Potter (which directly played into Galaxy's Edge) and now with their new park in Orlando. He then said that internally, their mantra has been "Don't do what Disney is doing" for the last few years.

I think if you had asked anyone if they though Universal had a chance at catching up to Disney 15 years ago, they would have laughed. But now? It's a different story.

Disney has made it a habit to reduce the guest experience since covid, all while raising prices.

You want to book a one day one park to Disneyland? Too bad, it's full- but they'll still let you buy a park hopper with Disneyland as the starting park. That's not hospitality.

Once you're there, parking is the most expensive it's been- but the security stations are often backed up. They don't even have trays for your pocket items anymore.

Fastpass, a once free perk? That's gonna be an extra $30 per person if you don't want to wait in artificially inflated wait times.

And don't even bother trying to order food at the register. They'll only have one open, and the line will be backed up. You have to download their app and schedule a time to get food. That also costs the most it ever has, all while the portion sizes continue to shrink. Thanks Christine!

But then while you're on that ride you paid extra for, it's unmaintained and staffed by grumpy CM's.


My point is- Disney has to get back on track or their foothold as the leader in themed entertainment is going to crumble in the next 15 years.

LOL @ the Thanks Christine!

Disney's reaction to Potter land is one of the biggest over reactions of all time.
 

Consumer

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My point is- Disney has to get back on track or their foothold as the leader in themed entertainment is going to crumble in the next 15 years.
At this point, Disney crumbling would be the best case scenario. Crowds reduce, prices drop, and they are forced to fix the issues.
The glue factory? I assume you’re being intentionally hyperbolic and jocular in suggesting that that’s the only alternative to keeping them working.

Unsurprisingly in view of my posts, I would prefer to see these horses retired. The tracks can stay—they add a nice authentic detail.
I suppose they could also be used to make McNuggets.
 

mickEblu

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The glue factory? I assume you’re being intentionally hyperbolic and jocular in suggesting that that’s the only alternative to keeping them working.

Unsurprisingly in view of my posts, I would prefer to see these horses retired. The tracks can stay—they add a nice authentic detail.

Then we can imagine seeing the horses clip clop down Main Street just like we do with the ships taking off at Galaxies Edge: Bring Your Own Fun
 

CaptinEO

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Next time you see him, inquire about this please.

If everyone stayed at their highschool job they would also be having a cost of living crisis.

I do feel bad for anyone in a bad situation but minimum wage jobs don't cut it for living in Southern California. Whether they did in the 50s or 60s is irrelevant. People should better themselves with school or training to put themselves in better living situations.

Frontline themepark employee hasn't been a way to support oneself in a very long time, and to me when I read these articles, be it Disney or Universal I always am lost on what the staying longtime employees expect.

Loyalty in employers is also no longer a thing, do they think the 10 years working the parking lot will lead to a corporate job? Sadly despite their hard work and longevity they will earn the same wage as a brand new hire.

I once worked at Six Flags, thankfully I didn't stick around and have any notion it would become a fruitful career.

I don't lack empathy for them but I also feel these people are stuck and don't have to be.
 
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TP2000

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Next time you see him, inquire about this please.


What's interesting about that is that LA County has a very high minimum wage that is adjusted upwards annually. In 2024, the minimum wage is now adjusted to start at $17.28 per hour.

It's always heartbreaking to hear about employees struggling to make it.

It is. I don't think any of us here are particularly cruel in that regard. But when the opening paragraph to the story linked above by Disney Analyst lays out this scenario of long-term career and life choices, it raises more questions about the decisions of those employees than it raises questions about their chosen employer...

"Evelyn Arceo works 40-plus hours each week at Universal Studios Hollywood. During her overnight shifts, she prepares the pink-iced Simpsons donuts found in Springfield and the apple pies served at The Wizarding World of Harry Potter. The single mother, an eight-year veteran of the park, earns $19 an hour. She’s been struggling to pay rent on her one-bedroom apartment in the working-class Panorama City neighborhood of the San Fernando Valley while also juggling bills and feeding and clothing her four kids."

Ms. Arceo has four children, no husband, and has been working the same entry-level, minimum wage job for 8 years. 🤔

If everyone stayed at their highschool job they would also be having a cost of living crisis.

I do feel bad for anyone in a bad situation but minimum wage jobs don't cut it for living in Southern California.

To be fair to SoCal, I can't think of any area of the USA where a minimum wage job would cut it. Unless you were 19 and had five roommates and lived off of Top Ramen and cheap beer. (Which isn't entirely a bad way to live at age 19, for a year or two, but then adulthood and maturity needs to kick in fast).

But to attempt to live in SoCal as a single mother to four children by working the same entry-level, minimum-wage job in a theme park kitchen for 8 years straight raises more questions about that person's personal choices than it raises about their employer's business decision to pay someone $19 an hour to put icing on donuts.
 

CaptinEO

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What's interesting about that is that LA County has a very high minimum wage that is adjusted upwards annually. In 2024, the minimum wage is now adjusted to start at $17.28 per hour.



It is. I don't think any of us here are particularly cruel in that regard. But when the opening paragraph to the story linked above by Disney Analyst lays out this scenario of long-term career and life choices, it raises more questions about the decisions of those employees than it raises questions about their chosen employer...

"Evelyn Arceo works 40-plus hours each week at Universal Studios Hollywood. During her overnight shifts, she prepares the pink-iced Simpsons donuts found in Springfield and the apple pies served at The Wizarding World of Harry Potter. The single mother, an eight-year veteran of the park, earns $19 an hour. She’s been struggling to pay rent on her one-bedroom apartment in the working-class Panorama City neighborhood of the San Fernando Valley while also juggling bills and feeding and clothing her four kids."

Ms. Arceo has four children, no husband, and has been working the same entry-level, minimum wage job for 8 years. 🤔

To be fair to SoCal, I can't think of any area of the USA where a minimum wage job would cut it. Unless you were 19 and had five roommates and lived off of Top Ramen and cheap beer. (Which isn't entirely a bad way to live at age 19, for a year or two, but then adulthood and maturity needs to kick in fast).

But to attempt to live in SoCal as a single mother to four children by working the same entry-level, minimum-wage job in a theme park kitchen for 8 years straight raises more questions about that person's personal choices than it raises about their employer's business decision to pay someone $19 an hour to put icing on donuts.
Very true! It isn't viable anywhere but in SoCal it is even worse. I only bring up the location because so many people are just scraping by in this state and don't even attempt to look into moving.

That 8 year thing is very troubling. What's next? Someone has been working a lemonade stand since they were 4 and now are trying to support a family with it?
 

Disney Analyst

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What's interesting about that is that LA County has a very high minimum wage that is adjusted upwards annually. In 2024, the minimum wage is now adjusted to start at $17.28 per hour.



It is. I don't think any of us here are particularly cruel in that regard. But when the opening paragraph to the story linked above by Disney Analyst lays out this scenario of long-term career and life choices, it raises more questions about the decisions of those employees than it raises questions about their chosen employer...

"Evelyn Arceo works 40-plus hours each week at Universal Studios Hollywood. During her overnight shifts, she prepares the pink-iced Simpsons donuts found in Springfield and the apple pies served at The Wizarding World of Harry Potter. The single mother, an eight-year veteran of the park, earns $19 an hour. She’s been struggling to pay rent on her one-bedroom apartment in the working-class Panorama City neighborhood of the San Fernando Valley while also juggling bills and feeding and clothing her four kids."

Ms. Arceo has four children, no husband, and has been working the same entry-level, minimum wage job for 8 years. 🤔



To be fair to SoCal, I can't think of any area of the USA where a minimum wage job would cut it. Unless you were 19 and had five roommates and lived off of Top Ramen and cheap beer. (Which isn't entirely a bad way to live at age 19, for a year or two, but then adulthood and maturity needs to kick in fast).

But to attempt to live in SoCal as a single mother to four children by working the same entry-level, minimum-wage job in a theme park kitchen for 8 years straight raises more questions about that person's personal choices than it raises about their employer's business decision to pay someone $19 an hour to put icing on donuts.

What is the solution?

We want dependable, responsible, and hardworking cast members and team members working in these high profit world class theme parks, and we complain when they are no longer like they used to be, and the service is not what it used to be. So what do you want? High schoolers who could care less and minimum wage is all they need when starting out, or a work force who is dedicated and passionate about your company, and who you treat fairly and pay well enough to at least get by in the community your theme park is located in? We need people to work these jobs, and it's a fact that cost of living has far outpaced wages.

It's very easy to say go to school, get a better paying job, but not everyone is going to be afforded the opportunity to get to post-secondary, and not everyone should need to. And even if you get through post-secondary, it's not like there are enough well paying jobs for everyone to have.

We need people working in theme parks, fast food, and numerous other similar industries. Regardless of the job, workers should be afforded enough to survive. It's not an unreasonable ask, especially when we are talking huge companies who can definitely afford to pay their workers more.
 

Rich T

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On the subject of Universal, the Orlando resort keeps hitting bullseyes with their new quick service mobile order venues. First Minions Cafe and now the redesigned Circus McGurkis — these are two great, fun dining options with some truly excellent, creative food offerings, and I do love the experience of just dropping in, grabbing a table, ordering off my phone and having it brought to my table by (wonderful every time) Team Members within a few minutes. This is first-rate theme-parkin’!

And today I realized I don’t mind waiting a half hour to ride the Seuss Trolley, because that queue music is my new favorite! I could listen to that catchy thing all day! I don’t even know how to describe it: There's barely a melody (though it’s based off the Seuss Landing theme)— mainly just a never-ending catchy marching bass line with machinery-like percussion and railroad crossing dopler effects. It’s the most perfectly Seussy composition I’ve ever heard!

(It’s better in-person with a differently balanced mix and the station’s additional sound effects.)
 
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PiratesMansion

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@SuddenStorm I broadly agree with your points. However, I do have thoughts on a few of them:
Disney has made it a habit to reduce the guest experience since covid, all while raising prices.
To be honest, this is not a Disney problem, this is basically an industry-wide problem. Universal is the exception here, and clearly it has paid dividends for them. They are to be commended for their handling of everything thrown at them in 2020. But go to pretty much anywhere that isn't a Universal park and it's the same situation as Disney-or, as is often the case, worse.
Fastpass, a once free perk? That's gonna be an extra $30 per person if you don't want to wait in artificially inflated wait times.
Obviously I would prefer that we were still in the days of free, paper FP, but the industry has basically abandoned free line-skipping systems. I would prefer we went back to free FP, but that's probably not going to happen. If that's not going to change, than we need to look at what will make G+ more functional, which relates to pricing. The big miss with Disney's strategy is that they have decided to try and price it low enough so that everyone buys it, which causes all sorts of issues. If they're going to keep upcharge FP, they need to dramatically raise the prices-a la every other park-so that it is cost-prohibitive for most guests, which would allow the standby queues to actually move clower to how they're supposed to and get more guests off of midways. They do need to fix Genie, and sooner rather than later. I just don't imagine there's a universe where they don't accomplish that without pricing most people out.
And don't even bother trying to order food at the register. They'll only have one open, and the line will be backed up. You have to download their app and schedule a time to get food. That also costs the most it ever has, all while the portion sizes continue to shrink. Thanks Christine!
Again, this is an industry wide issue and Disney is not the only one doing this. As said, Universal is doing this, but so too are Six Flags and Cedar Fair. Food prices are up and quality is down industry-wide. That said, I actually have to commend Disneyland's food service right now. It is comparably priced to other parks and considerably better quality with more interesting options than pretty much any other park (or set of parks) than I can think of.
Next time you see him, inquire about this please.

This is heartbreaking, but I was under the impression that things were pretty similar for many people working at Disneyland as well. I don't know that we can uniquely pin this on Universal.
If everyone stayed at their highschool job they would also be having a cost of living crisis.

I do feel bad for anyone in a bad situation but minimum wage jobs don't cut it for living in Southern California. Whether they did in the 50s or 60s is irrelevant. People should better themselves with school or training to put themselves in better living situations.

Frontline themepark employee hasn't been a way to support oneself in a very long time, and to me when I read these articles, be it Disney or Universal I always am lost on what the staying longtime employees expect.

Loyalty in employers is also no longer a thing, do they think the 10 years working the parking lot will lead to a corporate job? Sadly despite their hard work and longevity they will earn the same wage as a brand new hire.

I once worked at Six Flags, thankfully I didn't stick around and have any notion it would become a fruitful career.

I don't like empathy for them but I also feel these people are stuck and don't have to be.
People like to assume that theme park jobs are all for unskilled high schoolers, but 1) that primarily applied to smaller scale theme parks that were largely open summer or weekends only, and 2) even those parks don't have all that many high schoolers working there anymore. Kids are being pushed to think about how every single summer activity might make them stand out to a college or future career, and unfortunately, working at a theme park is not seen as something that will help them to do that. Most of the seasonal parks near me have shifted many of their employees to either adults or international workers.

But parks that are open year round (especially in the way Disney parks are operated) cannot run primarily on high schoolers or college students. The parks have to run when kids are in school, so this long-enduring stereotype that it's all high schoolers is not and has never been true (same for fast food workers-someone has to run the restaurant when the kids are at school, y'know?). If the parks are going to have enough staffing, and good staffing, it needs to be adults, and generally speaking, if adults are compensated well and treated well by guests and their employer, it's going to result in better service. So you can say you don't have empathy for them, but that's not going to result in a better experience for you or anyone else. You should want them to be well compensated, because service will be better if they are.
What is the solution?

We want dependable, responsible, and hardworking cast members and team members working in these high profit world class theme parks, and we complain when they are no longer like they used to be, and the service is not what it used to be. So what do you want? High schoolers who could care less and minimum wage is all they need when starting out, or a work force who is dedicated and passionate about your company, and who you treat fairly and pay well enough to at least get by in the community your theme park is located in? We need people to work these jobs, and it's a fact that cost of living has far outpaced wages.

It's very easy to say go to school, get a better paying job, but not everyone is going to be afforded the opportunity to get to post-secondary, and not everyone should need to. And even if you get through post-secondary, it's not like there are enough well paying jobs for everyone to have.

We need people working in theme parks, fast food, and numerous other similar industries. Regardless of the job, workers should be afforded enough to survive. It's not an unreasonable ask, especially when we are talking huge companies who can definitely afford to pay their workers more.
100%. It's amazing how many don't get this. There are only so many high tech, high paying jobs out there, and even people who did what their parents told them and got a college degree are often struggling to make ends meet in today's world. Many respectable, living class jobs (ex.: nursing, teaching, among others) don't pay the bills quite as effectively as they once did, and now many face far more debt than their predecessors would have. For a long, LONG time, most job growth has been in the service industry while other once reliable/profitable jobs or industries continue to contract or disappear.

You can't just dismiss an entire complex of employees with "eh, you don't deserve to make a livable wage because some 18 year old can do it" if those are some of the only ways that people can get work.

People are weirdly preoccupied with whether or not strangers are employed, but when people actually go out and get a job, then many of those same "get a job" people will just look for an excuse to look down on those workers so that they can deny them a living wage.

If the only job around and that will take them is service work, even if people have the education and credentials to do "more respectable work" on paper, than what are those people supposed to do?
 

Disney Analyst

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This is heartbreaking, but I was under the impression that things were pretty similar for many people working at Disneyland as well. I don't know that we can uniquely pin this on Universal.

A very similar investigation came out for Disneyland years ago, and I do think improvements have been made since, but I really don't know enough.

Definitely not wanting to imply it's a Universal only issue, just wanted to jump off the idea that Universal is doing some of the best things in the industry right now, and while I appreciate their investment into the parks and experience, if they are really leading the industry, that should also mean internally, aka your supposed valued team members. Lead the way, by ensuring the best people are hired, the guest experience is impeccable, and your people can survive and give you their best possible output.
 

PiratesMansion

Well-Known Member
A very similar investigation came out for Disneyland years ago, and I do think improvements have been made since, but I really don't know enough.

Definitely not wanting to imply it's a Universal only issue, just wanted to jump off the idea that Universal is doing some of the best things in the industry right now, and while I appreciate their investment into the parks and experience, if they are really leading the industry, that should also mean internally, aka your supposed valued team members. Lead the way, by ensuring the best people are hired, the guest experience is impeccable, and your people can survive and give you their best possible output.
Yep.

If there's anything the biggest corporations have taught me in the last decade, it's that valuing your employees (other than the people in the C-Suite, of course) is apparently very, very hard.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
What is the solution?

We want dependable, responsible, and hardworking cast members and team members working in these high profit world class theme parks, and we complain when they are no longer like they used to be, and the service is not what it used to be. So what do you want? High schoolers who could care less and minimum wage is all they need when starting out, or a work force who is dedicated and passionate about your company, and who you treat fairly and pay well enough to at least get by in the community your theme park is located in? We need people to work these jobs, and it's a fact that cost of living has far outpaced wages.

People who work entry-level, minimum wage jobs that require no formal training or no higher education should not be trying to raise four children. My heart goes out to her for the decisions she made in life that got her there, as we've all made bad decisions at times. But putting icing on donuts is not a skillset that should be able to get you $75,000 per year and a new Corolla.

As for quality of Cast Members (or whatever they're called at Universal Studios), I think the solution to the current problems with their lack of polish and courtesy is better training and better front line management. No one seems to care, and that starts with the front line management. The Dockers clad class, if you will.

Disneyland has always been staffed mostly by young school-aged teens and college kids. If some CM's were able to make a career out of being a ride operator or line cook at Tomorrowland Terrace, and they enjoyed it, then more power to them! But let's not pretend that Disneyland used to pay the teenagers of Orange County big wages when the park was run with much higher standards of showmanship, courtesy and professionalism than it is today.

These are 1970's college girls working part-time at Disneyland, not middle aged mothers of four children working overnight shifts in the kitchen...

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It's very easy to say go to school, get a better paying job, but not everyone is going to be afforded the opportunity to get to post-secondary, and not everyone should need to. And even if you get through post-secondary, it's not like there are enough well paying jobs for everyone to have.

I would think trade school or culinary school would be the right direction for someone like Ms. Arceo. We need a lot more kitchen supervisors and electricians and mechanics than we need more Communications majors. For years now, Disneyland pays for those types of trade school and skilled craftsman programs, plus BA programs, for its own CM's as part of its benefits package. Disneyland pays 100% of the tuition up front, and the CM then makes of that what they will.

Does anyone know if Universal Studios offers the same type thing? And if Universal Studios does offer something similar, why hasn't Ms. Arceo engaged with that program, or any of the similar programs from local and state government?


We need people working in theme parks, fast food, and numerous other similar industries. Regardless of the job, workers should be afforded enough to survive. It's not an unreasonable ask, especially when we are talking huge companies who can definitely afford to pay their workers more.

What's your solution to someone like Ms. Arceo? She puts icing on donuts for $19 an hour, and it's a job that can be instantly filled by any 18 year old that walks in and requires minimal training. Does the 18 year old donut icer get paid $19 an hour, but because Ms. Arceo has four children she automatically gets paid $30 an hour to ice the same donuts?

And at what dollar amount for icing donuts does Universal Studios realize it would be cheaper to buy a robot to ice the donuts instead of paying a person $19 an hour to do that menial task?
 

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