The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

October82

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Yeah I haven’t been to WDW. I was originally going to say MK and DHS but then remembered their Hollywoodland/ TOT are much stronger than ours. So if we are talking about comparing specific lands or attractions then DHS doesn’t really qualify. I think people prefer their TSMM. Not sure about Star Tours. I guess if you’re comparing “studio park” to “studio park” DCA is the winner but they re completely different parks.
WDW's TSMM has a more extensive queue but the attraction is IMO a much better conceptual fit for the Pier. At DHS, it's just a random IP ride. So I'm biased towards the DCA version. My feelings towards Star Tours are similar. It works well enough for Tomorrowland and is pretty random for DHS.

Sunset Blvd is great but I'm honestly pretty meh on DHS. Disney-MGM Studios at least tried to replicate what works about Universal Hollywood style parks, and while it never really succeeded, it did have a few pieces that worked. The loss of the Great Movie Ride is a big one for me.

I'm not sure how I'd order all of the Orlando parks (Magic Kingdom is certainly great if you haven't been to Disneyland), but for someone who spends a lot of time at the DLR, you won't find a ton that is new in DHS/MK. If you had limited time, for example, I'd also say Islands of Adventure (IMO, the best Universal park although USH's studio tour is probably the best single Universal attraction) and probably Epic Universe will be better uses of time.
 

mickEblu

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Original Poster
WDW's TSMM has a more extensive queue but the attraction is IMO a much better conceptual fit for the Pier. At DHS, it's just a random IP ride. So I'm biased towards the DCA version. My feelings towards Star Tours are similar. It works well enough for Tomorrowland and is pretty random for DHS.

Sunset Blvd is great but I'm honestly pretty meh on DHS. Disney-MGM Studios at least tried to replicate what works about Universal Hollywood style parks, and while it never really succeeded, it did have a few pieces that worked. The loss of the Great Movie Ride is a big one for me.

I'm not sure how I'd order all of the Orlando parks (Magic Kingdom is certainly great if you haven't been to Disneyland), but for someone who spends a lot of time at the DLR, you won't find a ton that is new in DHS/MK. If you had limited time, for example, I'd also say Islands of Adventure and probably Epic Universe will be better uses of time.

Yeah it’s interesting. I’d love to see how someone who went to the parks one time each would rank them. As a lifelong DL’er I’m sure MK will rank lower than it probably should.

My take at an objective ranking:

Disneyland
MK
Epcot
AK
DCA
DHS

How I think they’ll rank for me as a Disneyland guy:

Disneyland
Epcot
AK
DCA
MK
DHS
 

October82

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See I actually feel the opposite! I love the Endor entrance at DHS, plus the increased number of simulators keeps the waits low (or maybe it's just not that popular...). It seems really random at Tomorrowland honestly.

I don't think the execution at DHS is poor by any means, it's just that rides set in the universe of the movies don't really work (for me) in theme parks that are about the making of the movies. It's hard to go from 'real world studio' to 'universe of Star Wars' just through a well executed queue. That's part of why most (all?) of the studio parks have dropped the 'studio' theme, IMO, leaving behind the most interesting part of their concept.

Tomorrowland works better for me as a setting because almost all the Tomorrowlands have a 'space port' aspect to them. The exception is Disneyland Paris where Star Tours also feels quite random and out of place.
 

Alanzo

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Yeah it’s interesting. I’d love to see how someone who went to the parks one time each would rank them. As a lifelong DL’er I’m sure MK will rank lower than it probably should.

My take at an objective ranking:

Disneyland
MK
Epcot
AK
DCA
DHS

How I think they’ll rank for me as a Disneyland guy:

Disneyland
Epcot
AK
DCA
MK
DHS

Bruh. That second ranking. Ya nailed it. Putting DHS dead last in both is cutthroat and I love it. "But what about Galaxy's Edge??" Nothing. It's fine. It ain't a DHS-saver though!
 

Disney Analyst

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Yeah it’s interesting. I’d love to see how someone who went to the parks one time each would rank them. As a lifelong DL’er I’m sure MK will rank lower than it probably should.

My take at an objective ranking:

Disneyland
MK
Epcot
AK
DCA
DHS

How I think they’ll rank for me as a Disneyland guy:

Disneyland
Epcot
AK
DCA
MK
DHS

I've been to all of them, plus Disneyland Paris, so here is my ranking (you didn't ask haha):

  1. Disneyland
  2. Disneyland Paris
  3. AK
  4. EPCOT
  5. DCA
  6. MK
  7. DHS
  8. DSP
 

mickEblu

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Original Poster
I've been to all of them, plus Disneyland Paris, so here is my ranking (you didn't ask haha):

  1. Disneyland
  2. Disneyland Paris
  3. AK
  4. EPCOT
  5. DCA
  6. MK
  7. DHS
  8. DSP

Pretty sure this would be my ranking except for maybe AK/ Epcot. I briefly considered putting AK before Epcot but ultimately Epcot just has so much more to do and I can’t say that I have the best time at Zoo’s. Not because I feel bad for the animals but because they re usually boring. Animals are sleeping or can’t be seen at all. With that said, AK is probably an exception and I know it’s much more than a zoo. AK looks beautiful too.
 

Disgruntled Walt

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In the Parks
No
Here's my ranking as of when I last visited (DL in 2019, WDW in 2017), and I must warn you, it's a bit unconventional (and a long, rambling list):

  1. Magic Kingdom - the loss of CBJ and Splash Mountain would have brought it lower, but I just love this park. It is literally my favorite place on Earth. And it's basically entirely nostalgia. I know it has inferior versions of some attractions, but it has some improvements too. Big Thunder Mt is better and doesn't feel cramped. SDMT Coaster is charming and a great addition (there was a time when all the DLers were foaming at the mouth at the prospect of getting your own version). Our Space Mountain, while it's a bit the worse for wear, feels more thrilling to me. We have a Peoplemover. Tron isn't much to brag about, and I haven't been on it, but it's something else to do in Tomorrowland. We only have one abandoned space in our Tomorrowland, whereas Disneyland has, what, like three or four? Also, two words: Sonny Eclipse.

  2. Disneyland - SWGE was new and Rise wasn't open when I was last there. Matterhorn is great, and the Train has dinosaurs. That's very nice. But it can't top my nostalgic loyalty to MK.

  3. DHS - Great Movie Ride was still there (without it, it's a tossup with DCA), original-ToT and RnRC, plus Star Tours and Muppet-Vision, Hollywood and Vine & Brown Derby for meals. Now there's SWGE and TSL, so once they do something to the unused Animation Courtyard/Star Wars Launch Bay, it could stay in this spot.

  4. DCA - So much better than it originally was, but then it got knocked down because of its Pixar & Marvel-ification. Make Soarin' always fly over California and we'll talk about moving it above DHS. Cars Land is a masterpiece, though. Guardians is really dumb and not even as thrilling as the inferior ToT was.

  5. Epcot - I was never a huge Epcot fan when I was young and naive. I wanted thrills. Now, I wish I could go back to the Epcot of my youth, before the crazy IP invasion with Guardians and Frozen and Rats. Back when there was a fountain and animatronic trolls. I will say, American Adventure is the greatest animatronics show ever created, though. Everyone should see it. It makes me tear up every time. So it will probably be gone or butchered by the time I make it back.

  6. DAK - This was always my least favorite growing up, despite having Dinosaur (one of the GOATs in my opinion) and Expedition Everest (which was my favorite ride for several years). Losing the poacher subplot on Kilimanjaro Safaris (and the rickety bridge effect), Avatar basically killing my dreams of Beastly Kingdom ever coming, and of course, the broken Yeti (which I was lucky enough to view in motion several times) make this an easy last choice, especially at this point. And soon they will take away Dinosaur and I will crawl into a basket and never come out.
If you're still with me at this point, thank you for indulging my long-winded explanation.
 

Disney Analyst

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Pretty sure this would be my ranking except for maybe AK/ Epcot. I briefly considered putting AK before Epcot but ultimately Epcot just has so much more to do and I can’t say that I have the best time at Zoo’s. Not because I feel bad for the animals but because they re usually boring. Animals are sleeping or can’t be seen at all. With that said, AK is probably an exception and I know it’s much more than a zoo. AK looks beautiful too.

I put AK above Epcot simply because I had never been in such a gorgeous park before. AK is a theme lovers paradise. It’s what I imagine Tokyo Disney Sea to be like (but even better). I really loved AK (haven’t been since Pandora was added, so it’s even better now).
 

Alanzo

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I put AK above Epcot simply because I had never been in such a gorgeous park before. AK is a theme lovers paradise. It’s what I imagine Tokyo Disney Sea to be like (but even better). I really loved AK (haven’t been since Pandora was added, so it’s even better now).

Great point about AK's theming. I wish all the parks were themed so holistically as AK.
 

PiratesMansion

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Why is it that the rockwork on Big Thunder at Disneyland and Disneyland Paris looks so much better than the rockwork on Big Thunder at Magic Kingdom and Tokyo Disneyland? Was this an artistic decision or is it just because everything at WDW is worse?
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Disneyland Paris actually fits closer to WDW and TDL here. The look of the MK Big Thunder is based on Mounument Valley in Arizona, and this was copied for Tokyo and Paris. Disneyland's, however, was modeled after Bryce Canyon in Utah, at least in part because it was felt that the Bryce Canyon look would be a better fit because of the DL version's proximity to Fantasyland.
Disney World fans deny it, but you are correct. Magic Kingdom's briar patch was overly cartoony. While that works for the ride's interiors, it doesn't quite look right outside.
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That was not the intention. The WDW version was meant to look more realistic so that it would better fit Frontierland. YMMV on whether or not they succeeded. I do think it worked better in person than it does in this particular photo.
I don't know if it's because I have a Disneyland bias, but I don't particularly love Tokyo's Splash Mountain. It's a much subtler and less imposing mountain, at least that's what I get from pictures of it. The drop just looks so much shorter for some reason. I do love the abundance of real plants, however.

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Definitely less imposing, perhaps in part because thrill rides do tend towards being milder in Japan vs. every other place with a Disney park. The pathway to Splash in Tokyo also basically walks you right up to this point, and the flume feels much closer to the midway than the other versions of the ride, but the actual length of the drop is roughly the same as the others. You can better see that in this photo I took in 2010, taken from further away:
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Grew up going to WDW, so I admit there is a bias...but you're totally wrong about WDW's Big Thunder. Disneyland's looks like Paper Mache. I do think Tokyo's looks like fried chicken, so you have a point there.
Disneyland has a better version of the ride than MK does IMO, but DL's is so much smaller that it's a bit funny at times. Big Thunder at the other parks is grand, imposing, majestic...and Disneyland's is small and cute. Not a bad thing by any stretch, but the feel is a bit different.
The solution is getting rid of Fast Pass and Lightning Lanes and all line skipping. Adding these queues took away significant portions of existing queues as well as made queues longer since folks were occupying two parts of the park at one time.
Naturally, but let's be real, it's 2024 and we can't have nice things. I can't picture any park that currently offers paid line skipping to abandon it, it's too much of a money maker. The only solution is to raise the price to such a high amount that only people who can be truly cavalier with money would go for it, but I doubt Disney will ever get there.
One of these is better than the other.
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Well, naturally. One was intended to be a park icon, and one was built as part of a streetscape eons beforehand.

The one in Shanghai's even weirder, because it was built into Mickey Avenue after Carthay was made an icon for DCA 2.0:
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I haven't seen this much WDW hate since I read MiceAge! But I'm down for it. You got us beat in Carthay Circles, but pound for pound WDW restaurants are a HUGE win over DL. Now before you start jumping up and down, I must tell you: when it comes to full-service, my family only ate at family-style or buffets. And DL has barely any of those.
It depends on what you're going for.

Table service/buffets/family style, for sure WDW wins. There are only so many table service places at DL, and while they're good, the options are limited. I do feel strongly, however, that DL has better counter service food. WDW has a handful of decent options in each park, but there's not nearly enough menu variety.
I can't comment anything on WDW restaurants, but I would agree that Disneyland is lacking in that field. Every time I'm at Disneyland, I find myself at the Hungry Bear. I really should try the Plaza Inn fried chicken some day. The Golden Horseshoe has the best ambiance of the Disneyland restaurants but the menu isn't anything special. Don't even get me started on DCA's lack of options.
Are you just sticking to stereotypical theme park foods? Because those tend to be the most boring, least interesting options on property in my experience.

DCA actually has better food than DL now. Every restaurant in SFS is good, Garden Grill has had good food, I was even pleasantly surprised by the Carne Asada Fries at Award Weiners.
Parts of it absolutely are, but the Red Car also gives DCA a major leg up. I think it ultimately evens out. Had DCA actually gone through with a Hollywood Land remodel, I reckon it would have been better than Sunset Blvd. at DHS.
While I believe that Hollywoodland absolutely can and should be better, Sunset Blvd. really, really works. It's one of the only parts of that park that works like gangbusters. Kinda like Main Street in Paris too, in that if you knock it out of the park that well, why go back to that well? Not sure they can really top it TBH.
I put AK above Epcot simply because I had never been in such a gorgeous park before. AK is a theme lovers paradise. It’s what I imagine Tokyo Disney Sea to be like (but even better). I really loved AK (haven’t been since Pandora was added, so it’s even better now).
Absolutely. It's always interesting to me when people say they want TDS but then slam DAK, when DAK is actually the park in the US closest to the feel of DisneySea. Not everything at DAK is great, sure, and I'm a bit worried about the direction the park will go now that Rohde's gone, but the amount of effort and care put into the best parts of Animal Kingdom is exactly the same sort of detail you see at Disneyland Paris and Tokyo DisneySea. Masterful design and immersion in a real sense, where it's more than just a marketing term. The highs of Animal Kingdom are incredible and undersung IMO.

I wasn't really sure Pandora would work, but they really, really pulled it off well, to the point that I think a version of Pandora, if done at the same level of quality (not necessarily the same attractions) would do much better at DLR than many here would be expecting.
 
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October82

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Absolutely. It's always interesting to me when people say they want TDS but then slam DAK, when DAK is actually the park in the US closest to the feel of DisneySea. Not everything at DAK is great, sure, and I'm a bit worried about the direction the park will go now that Rohde's gone, but the amount of effort and care put into the best parts of Animal Kingdom is exactly the same sort of detail you see at Disneyland Paris and Tokyo DisneySea. Masterful design and immersion in a real sense, where it's more than just a marketing term. The highs of Animal Kingdom are incredible and undersung IMO.

I wasn't really sure Pandora would work, but they really, really pulled it off well, to the point that I think a version of Pandora, if done at the same level of quality (not necessarily the same attractions) would do much better at DLR than many here would be expecting.

My only complaint with DAK is that there's not more of it. I've even warmed up to the idea of Dinoland even if the execution of it left something to be desired.

The Zootopia/Indiana Jones rumors have me pretty worried for its future. Dinosaur is a unique and underrated attraction. Dinosaurs also sell. If Disney management can't be sold on the potential of dinosaurs to drive sales, I don't think there's any hope for genuinely creative/original/unique experiences in the domestic parks going forward.

Thankfully, it sounds like most of the discussion has gone back towards more spending at DHS.
 

Centauri Space Station

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I grew up going to WDW so I always thought Star Tours was an odd fit in Tomorrowland. It makes more sense in a movie park then a future land for "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away" it also has two extra star speeders so capacity is better and is typically a 5-15 min wait most times. I also think SWGE fits the park alot more. Sunset Blvd is stunning and feels like a real place while DCA's hollywood land is ugly, flat buildings with a theme breaking Guardian tower looming over it. Places like Brown Derby, Sci-Fi, and 50s Primetime are high quality theming with some good food as well.

MK is definitely not as charming or up to date as DL. I would say Tomorrowland is infinitely better though with a working peoplemover, COP, Astro orbitor above pm where it belongs. Jungle Cruise is better at MK to me with the cambodian temple and Winnie the pooh as well is better. Mickey's Phillarmagic feels like it belongs in a purpose built theater unlike how its shoehorned in DCA.
 

PiratesMansion

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I grew up going to WDW so I always thought Star Tours was an odd fit in Tomorrowland. It makes more sense in a movie park then a future land for "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away" it also has two extra star speeders so capacity is better and is typically a 5-15 min wait most times. I also think SWGE fits the park alot more. Sunset Blvd is stunning and feels like a real place while DCA's hollywood land is ugly, flat buildings with a theme breaking Guardian tower looming over it. Places like Brown Derby, Sci-Fi, and 50s Primetime are high quality theming with some good food as well.

MK is definitely not as charming or up to date as DL. I would say Tomorrowland is infinitely better though with a working peoplemover, COP, Astro orbitor above pm where it belongs. Jungle Cruise is better at MK to me with the cambodian temple and Winnie the pooh as well is better. Mickey's Phillarmagic feels like it belongs in a purpose built theater unlike how its shoehorned in DCA.
I think Star Tours fits Tomorrowland better than it should. Perhaps I grandfather it in because that's where I expect it to be at the end of the day. I don't dislike it at Hollywood Studios, I just typically associate it with the castle parks-though I imagine GE fits in much better at DHS than at DL, by scale alone. I also agree with October82 that the attraction really doesn't fit in Paris-the land there's all retro future, but I guess we have to fit in Star Tours somewhere anyway because it's a new popular attraction everywhere else, so make it fit! And in Tokyo the scale of the show building is massive in a way that doesn't mesh well with what's around it, even if the exterior and content fit better tonally with the land than in Paris.

While I'd say that overall the higher capacity is a benefit to the subsequent versions of ST, the lines at DL have also been down significantly post-GE: it's not quite the draw that it once was, so I'd say the capacity limitations of the California version is actually working out relatively fine at the moment. We'll have to see if the new scenes bring people back to the attraction in full force or not.

Even with the well-noted downsides of DHS, I'd say its Hollywood theming remains more successful than DCA's Hollywoodland, though it's worth noting that DLR has never really tried to fix Hollywood in any meaningful way, and the proposed changes over the years (Monstropolis) seemed to largely miss the point of what was actually wrong with the area.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
I remember in the early Internet days how we all used to talk about going to Disneyland on Super Bowl Sunday, as the crowds were very light. And 25+ years ago, it was true! But Super Bowl Sunday hasn't seen a noticeable change in attendance since the 50th, it's now just as busy as any other winter weekend, which is busy!

But tomorrow should be interesting as I see SoCal is set for another winter rainstorm, or "weather event" as the kids say now for some bizarre reason. I imagine Knott's Berry Farm, Sea World, Magic Mountain, etc. will all be closed tomorrow, but it could be a fun day to be at Disneyland in the rain.

And for those of us who aren't going to Disneyland tomorrow... Here's my Go-To recipe I've recently become famous for (Thanks to Chef John!) to bring to Super Bowl parties. It's a basically a Sloppy Joe dip that I serve with fresh sourdough bread baguette slices. You can make it all ahead of time, so long as you ask your host or hostess if you can snag some oven space for 10 minutes to heat it up. Put it in a big cast iron casserole, slice up fresh sourdough bread, and it's always a HUGE HIT. If you need something to bring to the party tomorrow, get to the supermarket and pick up some quality, fresh ingredients to make this...

 

PiratesMansion

Well-Known Member
I remember in the early Internet days how we all used to talk about going to Disneyland on Super Bowl Sunday, as the crowds were very light. And 25+ years ago, it was true! But Super Bowl Sunday hasn't seen a noticeable change in attendance since the 50th, it's now just as busy as any other winter weekend, which is busy!

But tomorrow should be interesting as I see SoCal is set for another winter rainstorm, or "weather event" as the kids say now for some bizarre reason. I imagine Knott's Berry Farm, Sea World, Magic Mountain, etc. will all be closed tomorrow, but it could be a fun day to be at Disneyland in the rain.

And for those of us who aren't going to Disneyland tomorrow... Here's my Go-To recipe I've recently become famous for (Thanks to Chef John!) to bring to Super Bowl parties. It's a basically a Sloppy Joe dip that I serve with fresh sourdough bread baguette slices. You can make it all ahead of time, so long as you ask your host or hostess if you can snag some oven space for 10 minutes to heat it up. Put it in a big cast iron casserole, slice up fresh sourdough bread, and it's always a HUGE HIT. If you need something to bring to the party tomorrow, get to the supermarket and pick up some quality, fresh ingredients to make this...


Tomorrow isn't Super Bowl Sunday.
 

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