The main FLAW of SGE script is......

[Djali999]

This whole topic (consisting of 4 threads over 2 boards) has run itself into the ground. In fact, any hope of any of SGE's detractors ever warming up to it after a while (something they won't allow themselves to do anyway, because they refuse to ride it again and risk that) has now probably been pretty effectivley crushed.

Being one of the original defenders of SGE, I still like the attraction. I still like it a whole lot, in fact. It simply depresses me to see such a large group of people who are so adamantly opposed to enjoying it on any level. By this time, the debate keeps shifting shape and size because that's the only way to keep it alive - and people begin to make outragous claims about it, contradicting themselves, and pull in all sorts of folks who haven't seen the thing for themselves yet but badly want to believe it's as terrible as they say it is.

I enjoy the attraction on quite a simple level - fun. I'd rather do SGE than, say, Pooh or Small World. I believe it rounds out Tomorrowland quite nicely (if not as nicely as AE did). It sure as hell works a lot better in MK than AE did.

Well, I'm as sick of all this ______ now as the rest of the board is. I threw in the towel a while back, and I'm doing it again here. You all are welcome to keep ripping it apart, since that's clearly what makes you all so happy.

You're also all quite welcome to not ride it. Since we're all so determined to turn this fun show into a moral position about Disney, we can all now place a mental embargo on ever allowing ourselves to have fun on it again.

 

[Sledge]

So are they not going to change it since more people hate it than like it or do they not even know how bad people think it sucks?

 

[Legacy]

So are they not going to change it since more people hate it than like it or do they not even know how bad people think it sucks?

There's no telling. But as long as the attraction is drawing crowds, I wouldn't expect too much to be changing.

 

[Enderikari]

I don't think that this has already been mentioned... But, if it is a prequel, then Exp. 626 should NOT be speaking English? Right? At all? Hmmm.... well, anyway adding more gasoline to the flame war...

 

[Main Street USA]

For something as hyped up as Stitch, I think many people were expecting an actual cohesive attraction for EVERYONE, not just the kiddies.

The "hype" that you're unknowingly speaking of was brought on by forums such as this, not by Disney. But in what they DID advertise for it, they NEVER said it was for everyone. Anyone with half a brian can see that it was directed at kids.

I am basing my opinion on the ride on the only thing I can - my own experience. I saw it twice, and wasn't impressed.

Yep, and you're in your mid-twenties. If you want me to be blunt, your opinion doesn't matter.

A better script, even with the same "so-so" effects, would have saved SGE for EVERYONE

Um, no. Maybe it would have saved it for a few nutcases that overact to "plot holes" but not the general public. (They already like it)

Right now it's not much more than a meet and greet with Stitch

Could you overexaggerate more than that? (I'll go ahead and answer that one for you.......no)

A lot of people who have seen Stitch seem to agree on the same few facts - things that lack in the show.

There you go again, speaking of the teenage and 20 something nutcases, and calling them "a lot of people," when it reality, it's more like 11 people total.


Look, I'm tired of trying to explain my point. I've stated it rather clearly three times, and yet when you respond, you ramble right around the main point, but never get to it. Why? Becasue you're still not seeing it.

I'm through wasting my time trying to make someone understand something that they have no intention of trying to understand. You want to read my posts, pick out one or two words, twist them, and try to make a point. Well, in that sense I guess you've won, but I'm pretty sure a 10 year old could win an argument like that.

To all of you teenagers and twenty somethings that want to whine about Stitch, go for it. Waste your time. Upper management, and other upper, upper management will read this thread and laugh at you, because they don't give a crap what your age group thinks.

This attraction will be very successful, and it will be here a long time. I, for one, will continue to enjoy myself at the Magic Kingdom, even though there might be a plot hole (or not) in one attraction. :lol:

 

[Main Street USA]

Yes, he says "sort of a prequel." And? What's your point?

What do you want him to say? In a sense, it is sort of a prequel, BUT we've got you people using that as "IT"S A PREQUEL! IT'S A PREQUEL! OH GOOD GOD, IT DOESN"T MAKE SENSE! IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A PREQUEL! WHAT'LL WE DO?!?!? WHAT'LL WE DO!!?!?!?!?!? DID THEY DO THIS ON PURPOSE SO DISNYE WOULD GIVE THEM A HIGHER BUDGET?!?!?!? OH NOOOOOOOO!"

See the difference?

Night all, I'm leaving this one alone from here on out. Continue with your bashing of things you know nothing about.

 

[dxwwf3]

Yep, and you're in your mid-twenties. If you want me to be blunt, your opinion doesn't matter.

Come on now man. Sure management might not care all that much about what some people think about the attraction, but EVERYONE'S opinion should matter on these message boards. Especially when the opinion is well written and has specific examples of why they feel that way. If his opinion doesn't matter than whose opinion does matter? I know you might not have ment that to sound as bad as it did, but that quote just doesn't look good at all.

 

[AEfx]

This I, for one, will continue to enjoy myself at the Magic Kingdom, even though there might be a plot hole (or not) in one attraction. :lol:

And no one has suggested anything otherwise.

It's great that you feel my opinion doesn't count because of my age, but all you can do is sit and make personal attacks as you did above instead of having a discussion about the attraction and it's merits.

You did exactly what you accused me of doing, you picked a few sentences and missed my whole point.

You are saying Stitch is for kids. So am I. You can keep insulting my age, and calling me a nut case, but I don't think you have actually read what I have said about the attraction and you have taken out your anger at people at me.

I have never said anything about "plot holes". I simply have said that a) the effects in the ride are not very exciting, and b) I felt disatisfied by the ending. I didn't feel as if there WAS an ending. I felt a lack of plot, but never said anything about holes - I have never seen the Stitch film, so I couldn't comment on that (though others have).

You really need to examine why you are so violently insulting of younger people. Perhaps you have some personal issues to resolve that are beyond the scope of this board.

To all of you teenagers and twenty somethings that want to whine about Stitch, go for it. Waste your time. Upper management, and other upper, upper management will read this thread and laugh at you, because they don't give a crap what your age group thinks.

Is that why you think people are posting? It's certainly not why I am. It never crossed my mind that any management or anyone else would read this thread. Why? Because I am here to discuss Disney attractions with other Disney fans, the good and the bad. I think you need to look at some of the words you are hurling at myself and others and take a long, hard look in the mirror and think about maturity.

AEfx

 

[AEfx]

Yes, he says "sort of a prequel." And? What's your point?

My point is you have been screaming at the top of your lungs at peole crying, "IT'S NOT A PREQUEL!" when, in fact, it is.

What do you want him to say? In a sense, it is sort of a prequel, BUT we've got you people using that as "IT"S A PREQUEL! IT'S A PREQUEL! OH GOOD GOD, IT DOESN"T MAKE SENSE! IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A PREQUEL! WHAT'LL WE DO?!?!? WHAT'LL WE DO!!?!?!?!?!? DID THEY DO THIS ON PURPOSE SO DISNYE WOULD GIVE THEM A HIGHER BUDGET?!?!?!? OH NOOOOOOOO!"

Again, you really need to stop confusing me with other posters. I have never said anything of the sort, I am not "you people". As you'd know if you actually read my posts on the topic instead of spouting your ageist rhetoric, I have never seen the Stitch film.

The fact that it's a prequel or not is actually pretty irrelevant to me. In fact, I would think it would HELP your argument that it was a prequel - because then maybe you could justify the utter lack of conclusion.

Regardless, you clearly have stated many times here that "IT'S NOT A PREQUEL!" when, in fact, the designer of the ride disagrees with you, "sort" of or not. You project a know-it-all attitude, and it seems like you really don't know everything you think you do.

AEfx

 

[AEfx]

Come on now man. Sure management might not care all that much about what some people think about the attraction, but EVERYONE'S opinion should matter on these message boards. Especially when the opinion is well written and has specific examples of why they feel that way. If his opinion doesn't matter than whose opinion does matter? I know you might not have ment that to sound as bad as it did, but that quote just doesn't look good at all.

None of what Main Street wrote "looked very good". He called me a nutcase several times and threw more insults than I care to count - because I disagree over opinions of a theme park ride. :hammer: If I'm a nutcase, then...nah, won't finish that sentence. Won't go to that level - it means you can't make a valid point so you yell and name call in frustration. I know how to use my words better than that.

If he'd actually read what I said on page one of this thread, he'd see that he's ranting at the wrong person. I have never once been insulting of anyone who liked the attraction (though one person took offense when I said that lots of six year olds are going to enjoy it). I'm simply here discussing the merits of the attraction, which in my personal experience was not especially cohesive. Does this mean everyone will feel the same way? Of course not! But that doesn't mean my opinion is less valid or that I should not share it because other people don't hold the same viewpoint.

I had absolutely no expectations - I have never seen AE (AE in my username is actually my initials, and the AEfx is an abbreviation of my e-mail address, nothing to do with AE the attraction) and never seen a Stitch film - my experience was about as "fresh" as could be. This was stated very, very clearly in my previous postings - but again, when people are in "RANT" mode they tend to only see what they want to see.

I don't understand how anyone can get so violently upset about a Disney ride, for goodness sake. I love GMR, Snow White, and Dinosaur, three rides I hear a lot of negativity about - yet when I read about people not liking them a) it doesn't change my enjoyment, and b) it doesn't make me think they just don't "get it" and force me to scream at them about how stupid they must be - we aren't talking about Proust here, we are talking about theme park attractions. If I ever got as upset using these boards as this one does, I'd know it was time for me to take a break from something that upsets me so much I have to yell and name call when someone doesn't agree with what I say.

What's funny as heck as the two people that agree here - Dark and Main Street - are arguing against each other as well. At least Dark talks about the merits of the elements in the attraction, but Main Street just explodes and insults and attempts to belittle people.

He closes by telling "us" that we are talking about things we know nothing about, which just doesn't make any sense. I saw the attraction twice, so I definately know how I reacted to it. As I proved with the quote about the attraction directly from the Imagineer who worked on SGE, Main Street's accuracy on this information is dubious, at best - which makes his attitude even more astonishing.

AEfx

 

[DonnieDarko]

What's funny as heck as the two people that agree here - Dark and Main Street - are arguing against each other as well.

I don't know if it's funny as heck. Anyway, yes it is a prequel. For fans of the film it is neat because at the start of the film Gantu is really mad at Stitch. The attraction is the reason why he is so angry whereas before you just thought Gantu was being nasty for no apparant reason. If it were not a prequel than Gantu wouldn't be involved with the Galactic Federation considering he is fired by the Grand Councilwoman at the films end.

Tonight was passholder previews for Stitch, I went on it quite a few times. There were lots of families outside begging to be let in, some even turning violent. Anyway, I took a few families in as my "guests". They were all very grateful and seemed to adore the attraction, as did everyone who I saw in there today. After all the hub-bub on this board I started polling people as they exited and everyone liked it. Well, with the exception of the few families exiting with crying children.

 

[AEfx]

Tonight was passholder previews for Stitch, I went on it quite a few times. There were lots of families outside begging to be let in, some even turning violent. Anyway, I took a few families in as my "guests". They were all very grateful and seemed to adore the attraction, as did everyone who I saw in there today. After all the hub-bub on this board I started polling people as they exited and everyone liked it. Well, with the exception of the few families exiting with crying children.

Seems like many people have had different experiences. AllEars has reader reviews up from a wide range of guests and most of them are so-so at best. It seems a lot of people feel that it's geared towards kiddies, but on the other hand is still too intense for little ones. There are a few "I liked it" but most of them were disapointed.

But they must all be nutcases too.

AllEars SGE Reader Reviews

AEfx

 

[KevinPage]

My post flew right over your head. You clearly got angry, then lashed out in defense before truly trying to understand what I meant.Your exactly right, this attraction was designed for theme park guests....families! DING DING DING! NOT teenage or mid twenties Disney fanatics (and in some cases, borderline nutcases) who pick apart an attraction because they don't appreciate or completely understand what THE MOST TALENTED TEAM OF DESIGNERS IN THE WORLD wanted to do with it.

If the ride was designed well, EVERYONE would enjoy it. I've enjoyed plenty of "kiddie" rides. Whether Stitch is supposed to be a kiddie ride or not, doesn't justify it being a weak attraction.

That seems to be the common defense of people who can't accept criticism of the ride. It's detractors are either nit-pickers and/or don't understand the target audience.

Maybe it just isn't that good of an attraction period? Did that ever dawn on anyone.

Why do most people who are Disneyana fans on the internet seem to agree with it's weakness? Yeah, we are a picky bunch. But most people enjoyed Mission Space and Philharmagic. Overwhemingly the consensus has been that Stitch gets FAR more criticism then those 2 attractions ever did.

 

[KevinPage]

I don't know if it's funny as heck. Anyway, yes it is a prequel. For fans of the film it is neat because at the start of the film Gantu is really mad at Stitch. The attraction is the reason why he is so angry whereas before you just thought Gantu was being nasty for no apparant reason. If it were not a prequel than Gantu wouldn't be involved with the Galactic Federation considering he is fired by the Grand Councilwoman at the films end.

Not to sound too nit picky, but the plasma cannons in the prequel/attraction make the movie (or Gantu) seem idiotic.

Why would Gantu, knowing full well that Stitch can spit to confuse the plasma cannons, stick him right back in there again when he is captured in the beginning of the film?

I think they would have been much better off almost retelling or expanding on the scene in the movie where he spits to confuse the plasma cannons, sorta like seeing what the cameria didn't show you. Having the ending of him landing on Hawaii. Would have been a much more cohesive story and acceptable.

Now I have to assume he was transported to Orlando and ran around, but they somehow found him and locked him up again for the movie. Sounds like the script writing department was asleep at the wheel.

I think rides like Peter Pan, Snow White and such mork so well is that they are retelling the story you know. I don't have a problem with Stitch going beyond the basic story, but I expect a bit more cohesiveness to the whole thing.

 

[dxwwf3]

If the ride was designed well, EVERYONE would enjoy it. I've enjoyed plenty of "kiddie" rides. Whether Stitch is supposed to be a kiddie ride or not, doesn't justify it being a weak attraction.

That seems to be the common defense of people who can't accept criticism of the ride. It's detractors are either nit-pickers and/or don't understand the target audience.

Maybe it just isn't that good of an attraction period? Did that ever dawn on anyone.

Why do most people who are Disneyana fans on the internet seem to agree with it's weakness? Yeah, we are a picky bunch. But most people enjoyed Mission Space and Philharmagic. Overwhemingly the consensus has been that Stitch gets FAR more criticism then those 2 attractions ever did.

I totally agree with you Kevin. Even I could take some AE criticism and not get upset about it. It seems that some people just flat out can't take it that everyone doesn't absolutely love SGE. If you are a hardcore fan of a specific attraction (as I am) you have to be able to take it that not everyone likes your favorite attraction. You can try and have civil conversations and try to explain your point of view, but not everyone agrees on everything.

As long as people are allowed to like the new attraction, then people should also be allowed to not like it. Just my opinion :wave:

 

[Ultra Magnus]

I thought that AE made its plot clear from Start to Finish! Never did I think that there was a plot hole. One could also asume that the Chairmen got left on the planet where the signal got interupted and picked up the Alien instead and left the Chairmen to be eaten by all the Aleins little freinds! Much better in plot if you ask me!

Off topic somewhat, but the Alien Encounter attraction in DisneyQuest has a pre-ride video that suggests that the Chairman DID survive his encounter, and is still in pursuit of the side effect of profit

 

[dxwwf3]

Off topic somewhat, but the Alien Encounter attraction in DisneyQuest has a pre-ride video that suggests that the Chairman DID survive his encounter, and is still in pursuit of the side effect of profit

Awesome. Is it still there? I have never been to DisneyQuest, so I wouldn't know.

 

[Dr.Seeker]

Woo hoo, clench is alive! What happens on this ride, ie never been to DisneyQuest.

And we should all stop looking into this. All disney characters are caught in an endless loop, usually synchronysed with shows:

Lumiere- Candlabra becomes human, becomes candelabra e.t.c.
All of the villains-Usually die/conveniently dissappear at the end of each movie yet they exist in the parks-live die live die e.t.c.

 

[KevinPage]

I totally agree with you Kevin. Even I could take some AE criticism and not get upset about it. It seems that some people just flat out can't take it that everyone doesn't absolutely love SGE. If you are a hardcore fan of a specific attraction (as I am) you have to be able to take it that not everyone likes your favorite attraction. You can try and have civil conversations and try to explain your point of view, but not everyone agrees on everything.As long as people are allowed to like the new attraction, then people should also be allowed to not like it. Just my opinion :wave:

Hey, I want to LOVE every single attraction. I don't go in wanting to dislike anything or with any pre-conceived agendas.

But i'm not afraid to call a spade and spade.

 

[KevinPage]

Woo hoo, clench is alive! What happens on this ride, ie never been to DisneyQuest.

Pardon my ignorance, but there is nothing at DQ called Alien Encounter. They do have some type of alien ride, but I don't remember it having to do anything with the attraction.

And we should all stop looking into this. All disney characters are caught in an endless loop, usually synchronysed with shows:
Lumiere- Candlabra becomes human, becomes candelabra e.t.c.
All of the villains-Usually die/conveniently dissappear at the end of each movie yet they exist in the parks-live die live die e.t.c.

Good attractions allow you to look past any quibbles or problems they may have done, as long as you are thoroughly entertained enough to distract you from the plot holes and/or defecencies.

But when there is nothing going on to make you forget it or worse yet, reinforce glaring weaknesses, it's tough to accept.

I prefer rides with AA as opposed to "screen technology any day of the week. But I'd reccomend and enjoy Philharmagic 10X more than Stitch, as much as it pains me to say that.