The latest lawsuit

MicBat

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This is ridiculus! People are so damn $$$ hungry nowadays, they'll do anything to earn an easy buck! Why didn't these people come fourth 22 years ago when they saw the plans?!
 

Bairstow

Well-Known Member
I dissagree. Looks like this guy would have had a serious case if he had had the money to file a major suit in 1980. Although the concept of small villages representing various countries is by no means original and has been seen in world's fairs for over a hundred years, the layout around the lagoon and use the giant globe, as well as the intended location (Florida) seems to be too close to Disney's final plan to be considered a coincidence. Remember that Disney himself had a very different concept for EPCOT as a project, and conceptual art showing the World Showcase in its final form wouldn't begin to appear until the mid 70's. It woudn't suprise me at all if they stole this guy's design. Whether or not his surviving family can pursue a case now is a different matter.

Besides, Disney has already established itself as a creative parasite. Kimba the White Lion King anyone?
 

ACE

New Member
I agree with Bairstow. Even if we don't want to admit it, there's plenty of "idea stealing" in the corporate world, and Disney is a BIG corporation.

It sure looks like this guy had the idea first, but can the lawyers prove that he showed them to Disney. That's the big question.

Heck, back in 1998, I wrote a children's story about a little monster who was afraid of the human in his closet. Imagine my suprise when Monsters Inc. came out. One of my neighbors said "Hey look, Disney stole your story". Now if I could just prove that I showed it to Disney. :lol:

:wave: ACE
 

WDWFREAK53

Well-Known Member
Well, I am mixed about this situation...If in fact, these documents are true and they can be proven to be done BEFORE WDW's designs and his designs were copyrighted...then this person DOES have a case...and if I were in their shoes...I'd be doing the same thing (BUT...I would NOT have waited some 20 years to do so)


Speaking of the Lion King...this may have already been pointed out...but does anyone see a LOT of similarities between the Lion King and Hamlet??? or is it just me?
 

bearboysnc

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Bairstow
Besides, Disney has already established itself as a creative parasite. Kimba the White Lion King anyone?
OMG, I was just humming that this morning.


This dead guy's family sound like parasites to me. Why didn't they help him fight when he was ALIVE?
 

Nineinchnailsmk

New Member
oh wait, i just drew a picture of space mountain, and wait, heres a blueprint on a napkin, oh..and looky here, i found a pen and dated everything 1942.....

I WANT MONEY DARNIT! i came up with the idea for space mountain...im 22, and i did it all in 1942 at the age of 56....somebody please help me with my claim!!!
 

CDS Disney

Member
Speaking of the Lion King...this may have already been pointed out...but does anyone see a LOT of similarities between the Lion King and Hamlet??? or is it just me? [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes I can. We even went as far as discussing it in class. I can see the headlines now William Shakespeare comes back form dead to settle old score with Disney.

Oh by the way has any one noticed how Treasure Planet is just like Treasure Island?:lookaroun :lol:
 

jmarc63

New Member
To anyone who has asked in the past if Disney accepts ideas from the public, her is the clearest reason to answer why Disney will under any circumstance not allow submitals of Ideas from a non employee due to this kind of action

Heres the entire article

Ohio family to sue Disney World over plans for Florida theme park


(THE BLADE)

By MICHAEL D. SALLAH
BLADE NATIONAL AFFAIRS WRITER


The Ohio family of a deceased Air Force veteran is expected to file a lawsuit tomorrow against Walt Disney World, claiming the company stole his elaborate plans when it created the Epcot theme park in central Florida.

In a rare legal challenge, lawyers for survivors of Lt. Col. Robert Jaffray of Wooster will press their case in federal court in Orlando, saying he and others were never credited for their role in inspiring an attraction that draws millions of visitors a year.

The copyright infringement suit is set to be announced at a downtown Orlando hotel at 10 a.m. in what’s expected to be a long court battle over the origins of the most popular theme park in America.

Relatives say the former intelligence colonel showed his plans - with many of striking hallmarks that are part of the park today - to Disney officials in 1963, nearly 20 years before Epcot opened.

Disney executives strongly deny the claims, which were first published in a Blade article in May, 2000.

Disney says the idea for Epcot was inspired by world’s fairs and a desire to build something different from the other entertainment parks for which they had become distinguished.

The 300-acre dreamscape, featuring intricate villages of 11 foreign countries circling a lake, opened in 1982.

John Stemberger, an Orlando lawyer representing the widow and children of Mr. Jaffray, declined to comment yesterday, instead releasing a brief statement about the upcoming press conference.

"This lawsuit will establish the true history and origin behind another major Disney enterprise," said the attorney, adding that the damages "in a case of this nature are simply staggering."

Mr. Jaffray, who died in 2000 at the age of 81, drew blueprints for a theme park featuring 19 nations to help foster world understanding during the Cold War.

He filed his proposal with the U.S. copyright office in 1956 and hired artists and others to draw renderings of the park, which was to be called Miniature Worlds, records state.

In an interview with The Blade nearly a year before he died, he said he presented his plan to Disney executives in New York City. But the proposal was rejected, and Mr. Jaffray’s plans were returned to him after the company reviewed the copyrighted material.

After retiring to Hawaii, he said he was stunned to see a rendering of Epcot in a newspaper in 1980.

"It was my plan," said the father of four who briefed the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the 1960s on national security issues.

"I was upset. ... I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about that," he said, adding that he did not have the money to pursue an investigation or hire lawyers at the time.

When the theme park opened in 1982, "it broke his heart," said his daughter, Patricia, who has taken up her late father’s cause. "My father was understandably crushed and disappointed."

Both Epcot and the Jaffray plan feature a huge globe on one side of the park and a lake on the other, surrounded by village nations with islands, boats, rails, and gardens.

Epcot has two parts: Future World, which has arts and science pavilions, and World Showcase, the portion that bears the resemblance to the Jaffray plan.

A Blade review two years ago of more than 21 world’s fairs and expositions shows that Epcot, especially the World Showcase, shares far more similarities with the Jaffray plan than any world’s fair.

At least three experts who study expositions and theme parks expressed surprise when they were shown the plans side by side, noting the similarities.

But, based on the drawings, they said it was difficult to draw a conclusion without more supporting documents.

"A case could be made that Disney was sponging off Jaffray," Dr. Robert Rydell of Montana State University said in 2000. But he said that without additional documents, "it’s difficult to draw that conclusion."

Both plans show echoes of world’s fairs, he added. "These are very strong parallels," said Michael Budd, a Florida Atlantic University professor who compared the plans two years ago.

One person who was briefed extensively on the project in the 1960s was then-Ohio Congressman Charles Vanik.

The Democratic lawmaker from Cleveland said he strongly urged Mr. Jaffray, a neighbor, to continue to try to raise money to build the then $4 million venture.

"I thought it was an ingenious idea," he said.

New York attorney Carl Person, who has sued Disney unsuccessfully in the past on alleged copyright violations, said the Jaffray case may have merit but questioned the timing of a dispute from 20 years ago.

"The difficulty is convincing a judge to accept a case from so long ago, especially with five to seven year statute of limitations from cases in the early 1980s," he said. "It could be tough."

Also making the case difficult is that most of the board members of the corporation founded by Mr. Jaffray are deceased.

The dispute over the origins of Epcot is the latest in a series of controversies with the entertainment giant over the source of creative works.

In August, 2000, a jury ruled that the Disney Company stole ideas for a sports complex in 1989 from two Buffalo businessmen, ordering the company to pay $240 million in damages. Two of the lawyers in that case, Mel Silverman and Michael Santucci, have joined the legal team that is filing the lawsuit tomorrow against Disney, said Mr. Stemberger.
 

jmarc63

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here is the concept art on this Idea
 

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Pioneer Hall

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I don't think Disney is going to have to pay anything out for this. They can pretty much say that they never saw it, and if they had a problem why didn't they bring it up when the park opened.
 

ACE

New Member
Originally posted by Nineinchnailsmk
oh wait, i just drew a picture of space mountain, and wait, heres a blueprint on a napkin, oh..and looky here, i found a pen and dated everything 1942.....

I WANT MONEY DARNIT! i came up with the idea for space mountain...im 22, and i did it all in 1942 at the age of 56....somebody please help me with my claim!!!

The only problem with your scenario is that you can't get a copyright for the 1942 date.

This gentleman "filed his proposal with the U.S. copyright office in 1956". He also "hired artists and others to draw renderings of the park".

Like I said, if his lawyers can prove he showed them to Disney, then he might have a case.

Disney is not all sweetness and light. Disney is a ruthless corporation. All they care about is the bottom line. IMHO.

:wave: ACE
 

jmarc63

New Member
Originally posted by TravisM
this is an old ongoing lawsuit. I remember hearing about this a longgg time ago.



True travis, and why wasn't this Lawsuit brought in the 80's to the court at that time when Mr Jaffray was in beter health to prusue it if his claims ar legit. Or is this a case of " Well we need money so lets go after it" kind of responce thing by the family since Mr Jaffray is now decesed.
 

Testtrack321

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Lets do carbon dating of that painting. Lets find out if it was created in 1989 or whatnot. I bet he was bragging to his kids and such, they took it wrong, and started to sue. Plus, Disney never accepted foreign ideas. EVER.
 

wishiwere@wdw

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Original Poster
I'm all for it if they did in fact steal his idea. I would want my money also. However, stating that they didn't have the money to file the case back in the 80's is crazy. They won't win because it was too long ago. I do really feel bad if his dream was never recognized for what it became but they still could have raised a few eyebrows even before the days of the internet without very much money and found the finances to mount a case. It just seems too much like the family is going for the gold solely because he is now gone. That is just lame.
 

SirNim

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Poor guy. I like how they gave us a pic of the place with him on his deathbed...:goodnevil

:cry: :cry:

I'm sure he was a brilliant guy, and perhaps he did have some fantastic ideas, but 20 years later? No way.
 

McArcDes

New Member
On the one hand Disney has been found guilty and had to pay a lot of money for stealing the Wide World of Sports idea to the tune of like 240 Million! Hey what the heck its only Eisners yearly bonus!

What makes me suspisious though is the fact that the lawers that were part of the Wide World of Sports law suit are now a part of this law suit and the family has waited unitl now..TWO YEARS after they guy died to bring this to court!! The artical says that they were going to anounce the suit in Orlando at 10:00 am....Is this really the suit that people were talking about being around in the 90's?? If so why anounce it?

Rember just because it says something in the papers that is not always acurate. Lets just wait and see what happens here....
 

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